A word of warning before trading gold among accounts

How are they going to comb through thousands of lines of saved text to try and find a conversation that may or may not be there and may or may not relate to the sketchy trade?

It's unreasonable to expect this to be a manual process. It would take a lot of time and that costs money and that means customers pay more. Alternatively, they can do what they do: automatically identify shady dealings and ban them, then unban people who identify the dealings as legitimate.

The major point is that what the OP is describing is very unlikely to be something most people who aren't breaking TOS do, so it's very unlikely to affect many people who aren't breaking TOS. They engaged in an oddball trade that was clearly sketchy, got banned, and now they'll be unbanned when they provide an explanation for the motivation and backstory to the trade.

No biggie. It's standard fare even in the real world. If you're doing something that looks criminal, you can be picked up and held for a set period of time until they either identify what you were doing as criminal and charge you, or figure out you were just doing something that [i]looked]/i] funny.

They can find one guy who trades to a guildie, but can't find the whisper bots? A-Net needs to prioritize!!!

Yeah, Ensign got banned before a mAT once for gold trading between accounts. Epic.




...So did lemming, but no one cares about him

If they'd just ban the bots and nothing else, the problem would be solved. Its not like its hard to find them...

Does that mean if a friend says 'Can i borrow 100k to buy xxxx' that ye can both be banned?

Totally bloddy crazy, theres so many other things they can be sorting out, like bots, leechers, URSAN!! and they ban people for nothing, gg anet

You make me cry, divine.

Poor lemming :P

Will people ever learn to never use one-sided trades? Just trade a piece of crap for that gold and you'll probably be fine.

Put your money where your mouth is then, smart guy. Post a logical ruleset that would properly automatically identify ONLY bots.

Bear in mind this logic tree would have to actually run on modern computer hardware without consuming all of the resources.

No offense or anything, but as a computer professional, it really irritates me when people say things about computer science that so clearly betray how little experience they actually have solving those sorts of fundamental field problems. It's only easy to identify bots when you're looking at them because of the way your brain works. It picks up on contextual and behavioral clues. Computers know two things: 1 and 0. All "thought" they do must be built from true and false evaluations. To get a computer to "understand" bots the way you do, you'd first need to advance AI programming by a few years, if not decades.

So, no, picking out bots, for a computer program, is not at all easy.

And, of course, if you were being sarcastic, my bad...

Um, yes I would be talking like this if it was me and they fixed the problem.... which was my point... I have reasonable expectations.

Also, see the post above for more supporting arguments from someone else who understands the scope of the problem.

I think it works but someone in the earlier thread said a bone did not work...

Yes, I can see that. That does not mean I approve of it.

More efficient, but less fair. What about the people who take a-net's "no appeals" policy seriously and don't keep pestering support until the ban is lifted? They still lose their account without having done anything wrong. Inefficient or not, you shouldn't be banning anyone without a review by a human being. The only way I might maybe be OK with automated bans would be if there was an official and effective appeal system and you were referred to it in your ban message. But the appeal system a-net has now does not officially exist (officially there are no appeals) and it can take dozens of tickets to get support to just look at the damn log and see that the ban was a mistake.

you forget that a lot of people dont know they can appeal (the automated thingy usually says NO APPEALS....so most take it to the letter and just give up even IF they are not guilty)......many of the people dont know how to appeal and lots of the ones that do are about getting banned for doing something like moving plat between their accounts!! they usually arent very eloquent when replying either...
(I always give something to my husband when he give me items that he doesnt want---and vise versa when I give him dye--he has the storage space for it).

That means ANet is NOT paying attention, because for that you need humans.

Still think they are paying attention?

Sadly, nobody tells new players that they can appeal. So the system is actually pretty disgusting, in fact the whole appeal/ban process is disgusting.

NO! NO! NO! Automatically identify shady dealings, so that a human can look at the logs and then decide!!! Everything else is a disgracefull, lazy system.

I swapped 7 stacks ecto between accounts before. Never been banned once. This was a while ago though.

I also wouldn't head straight to Guru to post a complaint thread...

Also, what Ctb said about automated systems. The best way to do this (assuming it isn't too common) would be to have an automated system highlight suspicious cases, then have a human do some checks that are very hard to automate (like looking at chat logs, or looking for other trades that may indicate some sort of transfer).

I need to trade some money from selling zkeys from one account to another but now im scared

Swap them to me. I'll hold them for ya. I'll even let you hold, say 10k gold, so they don't flag it.

I traded like 100k gold from one account to my second account, i have experienced no problem whatsoever

Reading through this I'd say this rule is complete bullshit.