How far can you go? (HFFF)
TheRaven
Well, I have a question. I have never done the HFFF myself but was thinking about trying it soon. (After getting the other titles). So, how do these macros work? I don't have a fancy keyboard, just the plain standard keyboard that comes with most PCs. Can i use macros or is that only possible with that one particular keyboard?
fgarvin
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Originally Posted by Jade
Assuming you already have keys assigned to them:
1. Open up the Logitech G-series keyboard Profiler. 2. Open up your gw profile in the drop down menu (or create one if you haven't already got one.). 3. Click on the space beside the "G" key you want it to be. 4. Go to "Assign Keystroke" 5. Push the button that you have (I think) "Command Hero 1" bound to and click "Okay". And macros are fine to use so long as it requires you to be sitting in front of your computer. If it's automated enough that you can go to sleep and it'll still keep doing it, that's when they start to not like it. There was a post about it somewhere on these forums I'm sure. There's also a mod that you can run throught TexMod that'll put spots on the map so you know exactly where to flag your heroes. Hope this helps! |
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Originally Posted by TheRaven
Well, I have a question. I have never done the HFFF myself but was thinking about trying it soon. (After getting the other titles). So, how do these macros work? I don't have a fancy keyboard, just the plain standard keyboard that comes with most PCs. Can i use macros or is that only possible with that one particular keyboard?
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mastar of warrior
Ok , ive decided to never get this title unless theres a bot you cant get banned for :P
TheRaven
LOL, I typed HFFF macros into google to see what I could find. The first 2 links were for cheat sites with bots and the 3rd was this thread.
This thread was created about 3 hours ago. WOW! Those google trawlers work fast.
This thread was created about 3 hours ago. WOW! Those google trawlers work fast.
BenjZee
why risk it?
trust me, ive almost lost my account once and i was innocent. Why do you wanan bot it anyway, what would be the point in the title if you max it that way. would you really feel proud of yourself, if vanities the case and showing off then if people congratulate you, you would just put yourself down knowing you didnt achieve it
for the sake of learning something about my computer does anyone know if i could make little macros on my bluetooth media dell keyboard, pm me
trust me, ive almost lost my account once and i was innocent. Why do you wanan bot it anyway, what would be the point in the title if you max it that way. would you really feel proud of yourself, if vanities the case and showing off then if people congratulate you, you would just put yourself down knowing you didnt achieve it
for the sake of learning something about my computer does anyone know if i could make little macros on my bluetooth media dell keyboard, pm me
odly
Dangerous, dangerous.
I started doing HFFF manually, with texmod for easier flagging.
I stopped when I started to think how easy it would to be to program it.
I don't want to risk getting banned for automating this.
Damn Anet for linking (some good) skills to a tittle that is so grinding to get and that could be so easilly botted.
It's as if they are taunting me to bot it and get banned.
So I decided I'd be better off not getting the tittle at all.
I started doing HFFF manually, with texmod for easier flagging.
I stopped when I started to think how easy it would to be to program it.
I don't want to risk getting banned for automating this.
Damn Anet for linking (some good) skills to a tittle that is so grinding to get and that could be so easilly botted.
It's as if they are taunting me to bot it and get banned.
So I decided I'd be better off not getting the tittle at all.
Larcen
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Originally Posted by Chaos55
The normal way to flag your heroes/henchies would be to use the tiny flags under your compass 1 by 1. This can be rather slow. To automatically get a flag on a hero, press F11 and go to Options where you can set a key that will allow you to flag Hero 1, Hero 2, Hero 3, and Henchmen. For me, I find that the F1-F4 keys allow for easy access. But by all means, you can use number keys or something more comfortable for you.
My order is zone out, [U] map, F1 (Hero 1 location), F2 (Hero 2), F3 (Hero 3), and F4 (since the heroes are already flagged, only the henchmen will be flagged). All of this takes less than 2 seconds to do. I'll include screen shots if necessary later on. |
kooomar
My friend botted it, he told me about it, it sounded awesome (As he made about a mill in a week) He told me they couldnt trace it because he did it over 1 hour time (he manually filled up 10k, warped out, dumped it, wapred back, then let the program reset). I was starting to get tempted to do it as it was money and a title for free. After 8 days I got a text message: "Permabanned, dont bot."
RIP Rob, RIP
RIP Rob, RIP
Chaos55
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Originally Posted by Larcen
Ok, so correct me if I'm wrong, using the assigned key (F8) for example, only 'clicks' the flag for you so to speak? Or by pressing the key, it automatically flags the hero to the predetermined location on the mini-map, done and done? Just trying to clarify, for my own benefit, exactly what the assigning of shortcut keys does for you here.
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jhu
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Originally Posted by StormDragonZ
I have my reasons, mostly because I don't know the builds nor bother to figure it out in the end. What works for me just does.
Just for the record, I hate Hard Mode. |
fenix
Yeah, go ahead and download those bots guys. Just don't come posting here crying because you either got hacked because of the trojans you actually downloaded, or because you were permabanned.
Either farm it, or don't do it.
Either farm it, or don't do it.
Fear Me!
There was a time when faction was at a 1:1 ratio, not the double point award that you have now, and when HFFF didn't exist, but just FastFactionFarm lf doorman. People under these circumstances achieved Savior of Kurzicks. So, you would like to know if shortcuts are okay? Of course shortcuts are okay, in this case, your shortcut is called HFFF, anything more than that is clearly a lame crying attempt to have things done easier for you.
$neekie
Macro s are bad in any game imo, a big grey area. Wich doesnt get adressed because they dont want to loose out on merchandicing, dont wanna piss off logitech now do we, wich is logical. Get responces like, there fround upon, from multiple companies(same answer)
Did a lot of research into fps macros/cheats, in fps to compeet on a highlevel your almost forced to have em. To me its borderline cheating, you ll be amazed what scripters do with macro s/keybinds, with all due respect.
I was suprised to find so few macros in GW, until now. I think anet(and all other gamecompanies) should ban or allow them, no exeptions. Every new game board/joystick/pad/mouse has keybinds or macro s,also you can use sofware like autohotkey to install macro s on your standard keyboard. Time to take a stand........allow em or not, its still third party software.
I tryed talking to guys in lugardis, i finally got a reponsce, asking what everyone was doing there. I got a answer but the minute i said the word bot/macro, he went offline. And a macro can be a bot, not much diffrence, just need good scripters who know what there doing.
Sry for the rant, really got to me at the time.........all better now
mzzls
Did a lot of research into fps macros/cheats, in fps to compeet on a highlevel your almost forced to have em. To me its borderline cheating, you ll be amazed what scripters do with macro s/keybinds, with all due respect.
I was suprised to find so few macros in GW, until now. I think anet(and all other gamecompanies) should ban or allow them, no exeptions. Every new game board/joystick/pad/mouse has keybinds or macro s,also you can use sofware like autohotkey to install macro s on your standard keyboard. Time to take a stand........allow em or not, its still third party software.
I tryed talking to guys in lugardis, i finally got a reponsce, asking what everyone was doing there. I got a answer but the minute i said the word bot/macro, he went offline. And a macro can be a bot, not much diffrence, just need good scripters who know what there doing.
Sry for the rant, really got to me at the time.........all better now
mzzls
Lord Sojar
My microsoft Sidewinder mouse has the ability to record timed macros that involve mouse movement, keyboard activity, and mouse clicking.
I could program a macro that at a press of mouse button 4, would open the minimap, flag each hero to where they need, micromanage them all, and complete the quest and rezone me. Put that on infinite loop. Is that a bot?
The line has to be drawn somewhere. But where or where shall we draw it?
I could program a macro that at a press of mouse button 4, would open the minimap, flag each hero to where they need, micromanage them all, and complete the quest and rezone me. Put that on infinite loop. Is that a bot?
The line has to be drawn somewhere. But where or where shall we draw it?
fenix
Gaile has said macro's that are made with your Mouse or Keyboard are less of a worry to Anet than external programs.
Lord Sojar
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Originally Posted by fenix
Gaile has said macro's that are made with your Mouse or Keyboard are less of a worry to Anet than external programs.
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wilderness
Seeing as I was once banned for 'behavior that appeared automated', I'd hasten to agree with those who warn against macros. Just to be safe.
The ban stick is is a creature of seemingly nervous temperament.
The ban stick is is a creature of seemingly nervous temperament.
Lord Sojar
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Originally Posted by wilderness
Seeing as I was once banned for 'behavior that appeared automated', I'd hasten to agree with those who warn against macros. Just to be safe.
The ban stick is is a creature of seemingly nervous temperament. |
payne
on / off topic of HFFF -
how many leg.survivors chars would you have to make to max kurz via HFFF if thats all you did from 0 kurz...I worked it out at 16...but I think its a bit off so could anyone confirm the actual number?
I want it for lulz purposes at my mate who is trying ^^
anywho on topic - botting is bad, don't do it
<<<theres my wisdom departed for another day - now weres my cookie??
oO were can I get this mouse? easy title yay
how many leg.survivors chars would you have to make to max kurz via HFFF if thats all you did from 0 kurz...I worked it out at 16...but I think its a bit off so could anyone confirm the actual number?
I want it for lulz purposes at my mate who is trying ^^
anywho on topic - botting is bad, don't do it
<<<theres my wisdom departed for another day - now weres my cookie??
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Originally Posted by Rahja the Thief
My microsoft Sidewinder mouse has the ability to record timed macros that involve mouse movement, keyboard activity, and mouse clicking.
I could program a macro that at a press of mouse button 4, would open the minimap, flag each hero to where they need, micromanage them all, and complete the quest and rezone me. Put that on infinite loop. Is that a bot? The line has to be drawn somewhere. But where or where shall we draw it? |
Lord Sojar
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Originally Posted by payne
oO were can I get this mouse? easy title yay
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Here is a link to the Sidewinder. I gotta tell you, my favorite mouse I have ever used. Not only does it function extremely well, but it looks damn cool to boot.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16826105074
Esan
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Originally Posted by fenix
you [...] got hacked because of the trojans you actually downloaded
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Anyhow, the HFFF run is simple enough that you can write your own bot, even with the programming you learned in your high school computer classes.
Now, I do think that the GW client should detect (if it doesn't already) that it is getting synthetic events from another program, and report that automatically. The server can easily filter for reports that happen in Melandru's Hope to detect the HFFF bots. If Anet really wanted to end the scourge of HFFF bots, they could have it done by tomorrow. They probably don't think it is important to crack down on HFFF botting, or they fear a backlash from the players if they ban hundreds. I wonder why the RMT companies haven't gotten wind of this easy money yet -- maybe they will, and finally get Anet's attention.
Washi
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Originally Posted by Esan
Feel free to bot in Lutgardis because Anet have proven by their actions that they will not ban HFFF bots. I reported them until I got blue in the face, but no action was taken against them.
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But after I bought another copy of GW I still see the same bots hitting a post in Lutgardis so you can always try...
Lycan Nibbler
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Originally Posted by fgarvin
Why in the hell would you report someone for doing something that does not affect you in ANY way? Do you call the Police every time you see someone speeding, or not using their turn signals properly? If you happen to have any siblings, I feel sorry for them...you prolly go running to mommy every time you see them doing something against the rules.
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Xunlai Secret Agent
"Millions"
150g per run from quest. ~100g from Amber for each 1,000 faction. So about 190g per run, assuming they aren't rushing for the title and donating it. Assuming a 2 minute turnover, you get 5.7k per hour. Even if you run the bot for a full 24 hours, and no glitches occur, you get only 136.8k per day. That is ~957k in a week of botting... as in 168 straight hours.
Also, you should take a look at the code on some of those public bots some day.
I found that gem on such a HFFF bot, and laughed my ass off, then deleted the source off my computer.
Fair warning, whoever writes those bots isn't the most competent programmer you could ever get.
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On another note, I seem to remember Guild Wars: Prophecies being marketed to me as a grind-less game for the casual gamer when I bought it. Now, we have skills linked to rep grinds that require about 2 weeks of continuous farming to max out. What is this, WoW?
I'm having a really hard time disliking anyone who decides to run a HFFF bot, or admiring anyone who decides to spend their time reporting them.
150g per run from quest. ~100g from Amber for each 1,000 faction. So about 190g per run, assuming they aren't rushing for the title and donating it. Assuming a 2 minute turnover, you get 5.7k per hour. Even if you run the bot for a full 24 hours, and no glitches occur, you get only 136.8k per day. That is ~957k in a week of botting... as in 168 straight hours.
Also, you should take a look at the code on some of those public bots some day.
Code:
While 1 Exit() WEnd
Fair warning, whoever writes those bots isn't the most competent programmer you could ever get.
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On another note, I seem to remember Guild Wars: Prophecies being marketed to me as a grind-less game for the casual gamer when I bought it. Now, we have skills linked to rep grinds that require about 2 weeks of continuous farming to max out. What is this, WoW?
I'm having a really hard time disliking anyone who decides to run a HFFF bot, or admiring anyone who decides to spend their time reporting them.
Esan
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Originally Posted by Xunlai Secret Agent
On another note, I seem to remember Guild Wars: Prophecies being marketed to me as a grind-less game for the casual gamer when I bought it. Now, we have skills linked to rep grinds that require about 2 weeks of continuous farming to max out.
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Ulterion
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Originally Posted by Xunlai Secret Agent
I'm having a really hard time disliking anyone who decides to run a HFFF bot, or admiring anyone who decides to spend their time reporting them.
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Furthermore, Allegiance Titles are a waste of time & life, anyway... imho
Kashrlyyk
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Originally Posted by Xunlai Secret Agent
"Millions"
150g per run from quest. ~100g from Amber for each 1,000 faction. So about 190g per run, assuming they aren't rushing for the title and donating it. Assuming a 2 minute turnover, you get 5.7k per hour. Even if you run the bot for a full 24 hours, and no glitches occur, you get only 136.8k per day. That is ~957k in a week of botting... as in 168 straight hours. .... |
Ekelon
More HFFF controversy... Well, I'm 1/8 of the way to my max kurzick title (only half of it was from HFFF, AB is still mega fun), but I took a break, might start up again soon. I usually watch a movie when I HFFF, because it requires you do have your screen on and doing something with it every 10 seconds, so you can't really alt+tab and still be efficient. I can really understand why people who don't bot are accused of it. When you do something for hours on end, you'll probably end up multi-tasking (like watching TV). I stopped chatting because I found that my efficiency rate was cut in half as I would often just stop what I was doing and start talking.
On my YouTube page there is a link to my HFFF Kurzick guide.
http:///www.youtube.com/ekelon123
On my YouTube page there is a link to my HFFF Kurzick guide.
http:///www.youtube.com/ekelon123
Xunlai Secret Agent
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Originally Posted by Kashrlyyk
He didn´t say, one person earns millions a day. He stated "guilds" do. With 136k per bot and day, that is very much possible.
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Furthermore, you do not do HFFF botting for gold. 5.7k / hour is terrible. Writing a bot to farm Elona's Reach or HM Archers should easily be obtainable for someone with only a basic knowledge of AutoIt.
Also, since when did whole guilds farm for anything but GH vendors or allegiance? Ive got no doubt every individual keeps his gold to himself.
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Plus, its BS to buy a game for a specific selling point, then have multiple expansions which drastically power creep the player base by participating in the very antithesis of that selling point.
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Also, anyone who liked getting max Allegiance rank by hand should really try WoW. Be warned though, WoW's rep grinds are less repetitive then HFFF, and typically can be completed much quicker.
Dogmire
Well I know that this is a dead horse but pvp title req was set way to high and the Allegiance title is no exception. You literally have to have no life what so ever just to get one pvp title maxed. FAIL
pumpkin pie
Please don't do it. Go kill some luxon!
Issac
Using a bot would be really really nice, but never ganna use one. But you could let it do all the grinding for you. Theirs 4 reputation, LB, SS 2 alliance titles. That's 8 titles it could do for you lol. That would be nice but oh well lol.
Accursed
I wouldn't use macro's because their another name for a bot 
SirSausage
Yes, the dark side is tempting. But the consequences can be fatal (account ban). As for Anet not caring about HFFF botters, it's because them botters aren't doing any harm to the economy nor to other players.
legacyofkain85
im curious how to make a macro so that when u press a key your mouse cursor jumps to a coordinate on the screen or move to that coordinate
jamal555
if u dont know u dont need to know... 1 way less to make yourself banned...
if u are insane enough to do 300 hrs+ of kurzick fff or 600+ hrs for luxon u will learn to do it with your eyes closed in a month or so...
the only reasonable thing to do is give up before u start... save yourself of countless hours and days or repetetive farming for no purpose... if you break it down... 150g for a ~1:20 turnoover run is just crap... u can make more money/time in almost any other farm...
if u are insane enough to do 300 hrs+ of kurzick fff or 600+ hrs for luxon u will learn to do it with your eyes closed in a month or so...
the only reasonable thing to do is give up before u start... save yourself of countless hours and days or repetetive farming for no purpose... if you break it down... 150g for a ~1:20 turnoover run is just crap... u can make more money/time in almost any other farm...
Rhamia Darigaz
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Originally Posted by Esan
Look, it is a plain fact that there are HFFF bots in existence. A simple google search will reveal several versions.
We can take as a working hypothesis that a bot is identifiable by its behavior and responses to stimuli. The ones I have reported have all run to the Melandru's Hope marker (reachable by two "target next" actions from any of the Lutgardis spawn points), then spun around until the portal was in front of them, then run through them. To check if they indeed were bots, I sent them a personal message. None of them responded. You see them doing it hour after hour for weeks on end, non stop, and it is clear that they can't be humans. Some of them even foolishly display a Savior of the Kurzicks title, and they are still botting away. The only reason can be to inflate the faction costs of towns, because there are faster ways to make money. And if you report them, nothing happens. This has been going on since shortly after the release of nightfall, when HFFF was first formulated. Nothing has changed in a year. |
it isn't beyond reason that a player might use the target next action to move.
they might also be playing on a laptop without a mouse, so they use the rotate keys to turn around until they can move forward. even if they have a mouse, doing this isn't proof that they're a bot. it also isn't uncommon for a player to ignore private messages, especially when they're trying to hfff as fast as possible.
hfffing beyond kurzick r12 isn't proof that a person is botting at all. there are plenty of guilds whose goal is to own towns. just because a person in one of these guilds reaches r12 doesn't mean they aren't going to continue to contribute, and it certainly doesn't mean they're going to use a bot to do so.
i'd be disappointed is anet banned people based on this sort of speculation.
MercenaryKnight
I think easiest way to not be considered a bot would be to actually walk to the zone everytime/ have someone to talk to while you do it. Because obviously bots would be pressing all the keys and stuff nonstop which would mean if you were typing to a friend you'd start seeing keys in your text from it attempting to hit a run skill.
Most people I see in lutgardis int all run to that one sign and then go to the left wall and hug it which looks quite easily to be a bot.
Most people I see in lutgardis int all run to that one sign and then go to the left wall and hug it which looks quite easily to be a bot.
Feanixxx
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Originally Posted by the_last_m_p
There really isn't any good way to discern botters from real people in HFFF.... due to the need for large map, my chat is hidden from me. Add to it, that the annoying sounds are muted (you try having the same sounds for hours on end), there is no way for me to detect a whisper.
So, by common bot-detection, am I a bot - I don't reply to whispers, and I keep on running out of the outpost all the time and don't see what is going on around me (again, big map)? |
I agree with this completely, when I HFFF I use Textmod for Hero markers with function key to place them. I can do a run in 50 seconds or so while watching a film on telly, repeating the behaviour over and over again - click on signpost, run to signpost, exit, set flags, run skills, get reward, all with chat off, sound off, cos I'm watching a film. I act and would be viewed exactly like a bot and surely reported by the more martinet posters in this thread
Thankfully I've stopped now
Monk Gsb
do u guys ever check the dates of when a thread is 1st opened ?