Just recently I've seen more and more of these Shadow Form 24/7 people in PVP, I would want to see a nerf to end this problem.
NERF suggestion:
Disable Shadow Form for 60 seconds when you use it.
Penalty MUST BE ABOVE 50 seconds or else it would most like able to sustain
Description currently:
Full: For 5...17 seconds, all hostile spells that target you fail and all attacks against you miss. When Shadow Form ends, lose all but 5...41 Health.
Concise: (5...17 seconds.) Hostile spells targeting you fail, and attacks against you miss. End effect: lose all but 5...41 Health.
CHANGE to:
Full: For 5...17 seconds, all hostile spells that target you fail and all attacks against you miss. When Shadow Form ends, lose all but 5...41 Health. This skill is disabled for 120...60 seconds.
Concise: (5...17 seconds.) Hostile spells targeting you fail, and attacks against you miss. End effect: lose all but 5...41 Health. This skill is disabled for 120...60 seconds.
Reason: Simply theres ppl out there just being annoying and use shadow form in Hero'es Ascent, and Guild Vs Guild
Shadow Form Nerf (against pvp usage)
kullwarrior
Mickey
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Originally Posted by kullwarrior
Just recently I've seen more and more of these Shadow Form 24/7 people in PVP, I would want to see a nerf to end this problem.
NERF suggestion: Disable Shadow Form for 60 seconds when you use it. Penalty MUST BE ABOVE 50 seconds or else it would most like able to sustain Description currently: Full: For 5...17 seconds, all hostile spells that target you fail and all attacks against you miss. When Shadow Form ends, lose all but 5...41 Health. Concise: (5...17 seconds.) Hostile spells targeting you fail, and attacks against you miss. End effect: lose all but 5...41 Health. CHANGE to: Full: For 5...17 seconds, all hostile spells that target you fail and all attacks against you miss. When Shadow Form ends, lose all but 5...41 Health. This skill is disabled for 120...60 seconds. Concise: (5...17 seconds.) Hostile spells targeting you fail, and attacks against you miss. End effect: lose all but 5...41 Health. This skill is disabled for 120...60 seconds. Reason: Simply theres ppl out there just being annoying and use shadow form in Hero'es Ascent, and Guild Vs Guild |
Problem solved.
Edit: Or those freaking Dark Apostasy sins.
kullwarrior
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Originally Posted by Mickey
No one uses Shadow Form in HA and only idiots bring it into GvG instead of Shadow Prison or Aura of Displacement.
Problem solved. Edit: Or those freaking Dark Apostasy sins. |
Mickey
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Originally Posted by kullwarrior
Liar
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Answer me that.
Your spending half the time regenerating energy for the combo, and half the time using the combo itself. It's a useless build for useless people, and doesn't need a nerf, the nerf to Deadly Paradox already saw to that.
/close
Oh, and damage doesn't include auto-attacking.
placebo overdose
but he is wasting their time with a very gimmicky build
Star Gazer
NERF MOAR SKILZ DUE TO PVPRZ QQING PLX
find a way around it maybe? just a thought?
find a way around it maybe? just a thought?
Mickey
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Originally Posted by placebo overdose
but he is wasting their time with a very gimmicky build
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Their team is very gimmicky, maybe Anet should nerf that.
If your so frightened of Shadow Form sins, stick a Signet of Disenchantment on that Rt/Mes. It sucks, but it's formulated to combat a skill that sucks.
kullwarrior
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Originally Posted by Mickey
Is he dealing any damage to you?
Answer me that. Your spending half the time regenerating energy for the combo, and half the time using the combo itself. It's a useless build for useless people, and doesn't need a nerf, the nerf to Deadly Paradox already saw to that. /close Oh, and damage doesn't include auto-attacking. |
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Originally Posted by Star Gazer
NERF MOAR SKILZ DUE TO PVPRZ QQING PLX
find a way around it maybe? just a thought? |
TrippieHippie89
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Originally Posted by placebo overdose
but he is wasting their time with a very gimmicky build
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natural_Causes
Just leave the match and start over. That team will lose as soon as they come against a balanced and/or mesmer. I've faced them many times, never gone on for 1/2 hour.
Mickey
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Originally Posted by kullwarrior
I guess your fully support these kinda of noobish build. And he does deal damage for your info.
Sure so umm, we need to bring bunch of skills just to take out these noobs incase we meet up one |
C2K
SF builds suck, in that they do no damage. However, you can grief with a SF build if you can keep it up forever since only a select small set of skills in the game can get thru it. I think good HA teams can easily beat it because of Frozen Burst and other types of AoE, however in the 4v4 game, unless they are running toucher, its a good way to make the other team play the whole 8 minutes
EDIT: people seem to forget that SF forces "misses" against attacks.
EDIT: people seem to forget that SF forces "misses" against attacks.
viper11025
Yo,
Well of the Profane
Full: Exploit nearest corpse to create a Well of the Profane at its location. For 8...18 seconds, foes in that area are stripped of all enchantments and cannot be the target of further enchantments. (50% failure chance with Death Magic 4 or less.)
Concise: (8...18 seconds.) Foes in this well lose all enchantments and cannot be the target of further enchantments. Exploits a fresh corpse. 50% failure chance unless Death Magic 5 or more.
Well of the Profane
Full: Exploit nearest corpse to create a Well of the Profane at its location. For 8...18 seconds, foes in that area are stripped of all enchantments and cannot be the target of further enchantments. (50% failure chance with Death Magic 4 or less.)
Concise: (8...18 seconds.) Foes in this well lose all enchantments and cannot be the target of further enchantments. Exploits a fresh corpse. 50% failure chance unless Death Magic 5 or more.
Likelytodie
It's no fun to play against, but if you don't have something to deal with it, and don't see enough reason to put a skill in your build to deal with it, you just have to live with it then.
/notsigned
/notsigned
lordheinous
Dude, the skill doesn't need to be nerfed just because you had a bad experience lol.
1.There should be plenty of ways to counter it; I don't do much pvp, but I use perma sf to farm in pve because I rather enjoy the feeeling of constantly being kept alert to my circumstances.
2.Even with the so-called "invincibility", though, there are so many problems with it, so many things that can get through: traps, pbaoe, targeted aoe on a nearby ally of his, damage redirection skills, "punishment" skills, touch skills, Disenchantment, skills that aren't spells, ranger spirits, etc.
3.Its best used on mobs that have minimal to no healing, as three of your skills are used up in the combo, another couple are used for emanagement, and even so, lots of the builds make heavy use of pve skills for their damage output.
Basically, stop whining, all nerfing it would do is hurt people who use it to farm; perhaps your really just scheming to try to raise the price of some commodity which you feel nerfing perma sf would make more valuable
1.There should be plenty of ways to counter it; I don't do much pvp, but I use perma sf to farm in pve because I rather enjoy the feeeling of constantly being kept alert to my circumstances.
2.Even with the so-called "invincibility", though, there are so many problems with it, so many things that can get through: traps, pbaoe, targeted aoe on a nearby ally of his, damage redirection skills, "punishment" skills, touch skills, Disenchantment, skills that aren't spells, ranger spirits, etc.
3.Its best used on mobs that have minimal to no healing, as three of your skills are used up in the combo, another couple are used for emanagement, and even so, lots of the builds make heavy use of pve skills for their damage output.
Basically, stop whining, all nerfing it would do is hurt people who use it to farm; perhaps your really just scheming to try to raise the price of some commodity which you feel nerfing perma sf would make more valuable
moriz
for x seconds, attacks and spells against you fail. when this spell ends, you lose all but y amount of health. this skill ends if you strike another player.
problem solved.
problem solved.
lordheinous
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Originally Posted by moriz
for x seconds, attacks and spells against you fail. when this spell ends, you lose all but y amount of health. this skill ends if you strike another player.
problem solved. |
problem solved
/end sarcasm
mistokibbles
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Originally Posted by moriz
for x seconds, attacks and spells against you fail. when this spell ends, you lose all but y amount of health. this skill ends if you strike another player.
problem solved. |
Chronos the Defiler
lol that Assassin has been griefing using SF pretty much ALL day today :/
lordheinous
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Originally Posted by Chronos the Defiler
lol that Assassin has been griefing using SF pretty much ALL day today :/
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RavagerOfDreams
/sigh
stop QQ'ing unless its owning in the halls it doesn't need a nerf
just cuz your ritspike lost doesn't mean its over powered
stop QQ'ing unless its owning in the halls it doesn't need a nerf
just cuz your ritspike lost doesn't mean its over powered
360??
I herd Shock wuz gud.
Chronos the Defiler
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Originally Posted by lordheinous
Are you really so rigidly stuck to cookie-cutter builds that you can't change a single skill on your entire team to counter him? All you really need is one, and there are plenty that can fulfill whatever purpose it is that you'd be giving up for the skill slot. The only reasons I can see you not changing is because either you resist change or your using some gimmick yourself that doesn't leave any room for change. In the first case, change your attitude; in the second, you don't have much credibility to complain about what you view to be a gimmick, do you?
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I actually never fought against him, I just constantly saw him in HA running it. So before you go putting words into people's mouths and labeling people's "attitudes" you should adjust yours first.
lordheinous
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Originally Posted by Chronos the Defiler
You can shove your self-righteousness right up your ass kthnxbye...
I actually never fought against him, I just constantly saw him in HA running it. So before you go putting words into people's mouths and labeling people's "attitudes" you should adjust yours first. |
And, yeah, personal insults are always a GREAT way to counter logical reasoning...
FengShuiDove
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Originally Posted by Chronos the Defiler
You can [skill]shove[/skill]
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Nerfs are for overpowered builds, not griefer builds. Especially when those griefer builds make PvE folk real happy.
Engage
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Originally Posted by lordheinous
And, yeah, personal insults are always a GREAT way to counter logical reasoning...
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He wasn't complaining at all. All he said is that he the saw the said character all day today in HA. That doesn't sound like complaining to me.
You are not one to talk about logical reasoning. Your assumption had to no basis at all.
Some of you PvPers have to grow a pair and stop trying to best each other by insults.
DarkNecrid
Having a counter != balanced.
If I only had 5$ for every time I've had to say that on GWG.
If I only had 5$ for every time I've had to say that on GWG.
lordheinous
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Originally Posted by FengShuiDove
Fixed and solved. There are enough Signets, PBAoE skills, and touch skills that disrupt it.
Nerfs are for overpowered builds, not griefer builds. Especially when those griefer builds make PvE folk real happy. |
Seriously though, that was really clever. And yes, I'm one of those pve people who love it. Its a farming technique that's actually more exciting than watching paint dry, and which challenges one to get clever to use in different areas. I understand that some skills need to be balanced for pvp and that sometimes that hurts farming builds, and while I can't say that I like the fact, I don't object to it, as I respect the pain imba-ness can cause to pvpers. However, I'm being so vocal on this issue because this isn't a balance issue, and I don't want such an interesting combo to be destroyed by the shameless whining of a few people either too lazy, too stupid, or too stubborn to even adapt just a little.
Div
To the OP: This is why you don't run ritspike. Duh? If you're going to run a one-dimensional gimmick, be prepared to deal with its downsides.
Lrn2play.
Lrn2play.
Axel Zinfandel
Anyone else here that comming?
Gift3d
It doesn't affect GvG therefore it will not be nerfed. Sucks.
Either you're a lifeless scumbag who's fond of perma-SF griefing people and you say something in this topic like "QQ MOAR ACRONYM ELITISM", or you're someone who's just sick of the crap and would like to not see this again. Either way, there's really no point to it.
Either you're a lifeless scumbag who's fond of perma-SF griefing people and you say something in this topic like "QQ MOAR ACRONYM ELITISM", or you're someone who's just sick of the crap and would like to not see this again. Either way, there's really no point to it.
jinzo7
thats messed up
Div
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Originally Posted by Gift3d
It doesn't affect GvG therefore it will not be nerfed. Sucks.
Either you're a lifeless scumbag who's fond of perma-SF griefing people and you say something in this topic like "QQ MOAR ACRONYM ELITISM", or you're someone who's just sick of the crap and would like to not see this again. Either way, there's really no point to it. |
Just because you can't beat it doesn't mean it should get nerfed. What'll happen to my assassin running build!??!?
Lykan
Dont play failspike and bring a mesmer [leech signet]
Angelina Collins
here is a real answer to your problem, "Live with it!!"
The skill has been nerfed already, making it almost useless in PvE and an annoying in pvp, but the real point is that the player is using themselves as a distraction while the other players sack the sins target or other targets.
Sorry to break the fact that you can't see tactics in use, and even if the player is being annoying, who cares, just play the game.
A better solution to pvp is to make it like a FPS game, no spells, or limited spells, and 4 hits kill, reguardless of armor or weapons or spells used. No healing no rezing, limited range. Thus the game is balanced.
The skill has been nerfed already, making it almost useless in PvE and an annoying in pvp, but the real point is that the player is using themselves as a distraction while the other players sack the sins target or other targets.
Sorry to break the fact that you can't see tactics in use, and even if the player is being annoying, who cares, just play the game.
A better solution to pvp is to make it like a FPS game, no spells, or limited spells, and 4 hits kill, reguardless of armor or weapons or spells used. No healing no rezing, limited range. Thus the game is balanced.
Pesi
[skill]Signet Of Disenchantment[/skill] ftw?
graverobber2
/not signed
they don't do much damage anyway (due to lack of energy)
just ignore them, gives you a 8-7 (maybe 7.5) advantage
PS: does [rending touch] work against [shadow form]?
i know rending touch is a spell, but it's also a touch skill
they don't do much damage anyway (due to lack of energy)
just ignore them, gives you a 8-7 (maybe 7.5) advantage
PS: does [rending touch] work against [shadow form]?
i know rending touch is a spell, but it's also a touch skill
BlackSephir
Use gimmick vs gimmick.
Bring touchar!
Bring touchar!
Mordiego
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Originally Posted by lordheinous
...The only reasons I can see you not changing is because either you resist change or your using some gimmick yourself that doesn't leave any room for change. In the first case, change your attitude; in the second, you don't have much credibility to complain about what you view to be a gimmick, do you?
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Abedeus
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Originally Posted by graverobber2
PS: does [rending touch] work against [shadow form]?
i know rending touch is a spell, but it's also a touch skill |
Use Shock, AoE on their healers (they have them, do they? if not, spike their ghostly and heal out damage they try to deal) and a mesmer with signet(s). Wards, well of profane, touchers ;d and that's it. I've met once team with 6 a/me, pretty stupid game. Kill their monks, try to knockdown assassin/interrupt him with a non-attack and non-spell skill and that's it, rinse and repeat. Or kill monks, kill ghostly and wait till the time ends. Boom, free fame ;o