Thoughts on GW/EOTN from an ex-WoW player

A considerable number of those problems stemmed from the engine choice. It was probably the single biggest mistake made on that project.

I play both WoW and GW. WoW is waaaay more based on gear than skill. However, it does require some amount of skill to play your class well. GW is based on skills because of the limited skill bar.

While WoW has thousands of armor and item skins, GW has a few. I like how GW has 15k armor. It's like showing your wealth I suppose...Both games have massive worlds. I enjoy both. Although, I believe GW's PvP is superior. There are AB's just like WoW has Horde VS Alliance Battlegrounds. GW has GvG and WoW doesn't. Endgame in WoW is either raid raid raid, or do arenas.

The profession combination in GW is amazing. You can have hundreds of different builds. WoW only lets you use one. To end this post I'm just going to say that WoW and GW are both amazing in their own ways.

You missed the whole part of the 6600 GT being minimum spec for AoC lol.

Tell me just how many people that play games nowadays dont have one of them or better. Hardly anyone. You wouldnt be able to play any current game at all without a 6600 GT as a minimum TBH.

A 6600GT today is like a Geforce 3 when Guildwars was first released, which was the minimum spec for GW.

Nothing different about AoC with system specs then GW really.

Just about everyone, and anyone that plays games as a hobby will have a system with a capaple graphics card of playing AoC. It will not sink. A 6600 GT is like 5 years old or something, and just about eveyone that I know that plays GW has one of them or better.

You are remarkably narrow minded.

but it takes a helluvalot longer to hit level 70 then it does 20.

also I want to be able to kill stuff, I don't really care how "nice" I look doing it.

I've never played WoW, but I can say this... GW is the first game that made me stop doing whatever I was doing just so I could look around. Pre-searing Ascalon, the first look over the wet shimmer of the Jade Sea... the Asuran lands with dinosaurs roaming about... I've actually stopped to follow a butterfly in this game, followed it until it landed and got a close-up of it.

I've yet to find another game with similar effects on me.

You remarkably underestimate the PC's that gamers have nowadays

90%+ of people that play games today will have a 6600 GT or better. Hardly anyone has a PC that cant play games that are more graphically demanding then WoW and GW.

If they do, then they dont really fall into the 'gamer' category if they arent actually playing current games.

And more good news for AoC's publicity:

http://community.ageofconan.com/wsp/...able =CONTENT

And PC gamer dont just make a cover story out of any Game unless its going to be good

lolWUT??? WoW has the same amount of artistic aesthetic visual pleasingness as a 2 year old having explosive diarrhea on a chalkboard.

i've never heard someone actually say WoW has better graphics.. im seriously stunned...

i herd upgrhedz r guud.

seriously though... its not that demanding at all.. not even the slightest. i think the medium-low settings for AoC are the same as GWs medium settings, and overall, why would a "gamer" be playing on a Commador 64?

i crossed over from WoW when gws was announced, and never looked back. then again.. i didnt really like WoW all too much before GWs was even a thought anyhow lol... so repetitive, the "graphics" (if you can call them that) is the biggest amount of visual vomit i've ever seen, and the story (if you can figure out what it is) is sheer awful for being a RPG of sorts.

so yeah...

im saying it...

WoW freaking sucks.

I played guild wars for a little over a year and quit for a few months. Then I went to WoW and now I'm back.

I'm extremely competitive with games so I quickly went into the PvP scene on WoW once I got the chance. But I was amazed to find it not fun at all. You could be better than this person but he has +1000 health from his armor so you have no chance.

WoW PvE is nearly as bad. The quests are mindless even if you are going to different locations. I was using the same 5 skills on WoW and occasionally some others. It seems like I would be bored of doing the quests but keep playing till I leveled up - apparently the only thing that kept me playing for that month and a half period. Basically the only fun thing about WoW was when you would level up, get new skils, equip new armor, and...that's it. Start grinding again!

In all seriousness, WoW is terrible. The people in general act horrible which lead me to be shocked when I came back to gw and started seeing the gg's after PvP things instead of "LOL u got ownedz".

Now I'm no big fan of PvE on guildwars either, but the system was put up for the PvP to work, so I won't complain for it to be changed. In fact, I'd recommend gw2 to keep PvP similar to what it is even if the PvE would have to be left with a lot of instances.

You really need to speak so some other people than pc-tuning forum goons or so.

Between my family, friends and coworkers, i know about grand total of ONE person that has pc at home that can play AoC. Were talking about total of ~100 people. They do play games, of course. Diablo2, Hoham3, Civ3 ... (not counting my internet pals thou, they pretty much all have nice rig.).

You want to know why? Even if people play games, they realize that throwing out prefectly working thing is stupid. One people leave college and parenting funds dry, it is pretty hard to justify getting new PC anytime developers decide that you really need shaders version X to play. And once you are removed from peer pressure of having to have "t3h l33t gfxx c4rd", there is just no reason.

You no longer need to have brand new PC to play quality games. So people are not getting them.

And since we are talking about MMOs:

Developers that spend funds making MMO fun to look at are not speding funds to make it fun to play. Given that any MMO sooner or later becomes rather abstract tactics, math, cratography and goal gulash in players head ... that makes gameplay very important and graphics pointless (at best, graphics becomes thing to lure newbies in or thing that you make screenshots off.)

Soory, no.

The people in GW are far worse then the people in WoW. In my first week of playing WoW, I found a level 70 that ran me through an instance and let me have every blue drop. He / she even checked the loot and pointed out anything that I had missed.

I have never in my 3 years of playing GW found someone as helpful as that. The GW community just sux.

glad to hear you're enjoying the game mate. See you in Gunnar's hold ^^

I gotta agree with behavv, the WoW community is much friendlier then the GW community.

I run people through instances on my 70, my 46, etc.

only 1 thing EVER happened like that to me on GW and thats because I stopped them from making a costly mistake. they gave me a totem axe when I first started thanks to my honesty.

I give people items all the time. I never see that on GW.

Oh its not just the running. People crafting things for me was also nice. I also made a few things for other people too. One person who wasnt a tailor wanted his woolen cloths turning into bolts, so I did quite a lot of stacks for him without asking for anything as it levels up my tailoring skill anyway.

Too bad I couldnt stand the graphics or the combat though, but the player interaction in WoW and other 'real' MMORPGs is far superior to GW.

I crafted free copper rings for everyone in my guild as well. I had a few characters with all the crafting abilities between them when I played, but I moved onto lotro pretty fast, and just cancelled my Lotro subscription which ended on April 26th because I will be playing AoC soon.

On the other hand, I've experienced completely the opposite that you have.

I struggled through WoW because nobody would help out. Joined many, many crap guilds and finally just quit the game.

But GW, any question I had or help I needed was there almost instantly. Before my first character had even made it to Droknar's Forge, my second character was there because a friendly person ran me all the way there from Ascalon. They even helped that character get max armor and taught me a few things about the game.

contradiction?

GW quests are more interesting. They just are.

It's really subjective because it's about taste. WoW is far too cartoony for me to think it's graphics are appealing, and it didn't really look all that great on either of my computers. :P GW on the other hand looks pretty awesome (so does Tabula Rasa, which is what I play to get some variety). It's really just a matter of what you like, and what areas you're using for comparison.

This thread somehow lost track about what is being discussed.

I am playing WoW (again) at the moment. Guess I have already played enough GW and do not really appreciate the direction the game is taking.

But in general I deem GW vastly superior.
The level system will rear its ugly head and all drawbacks with the next expansion (Wrath of the Lich King) in WoW even more, and the world will become larger but whole zones and tons of content useless. Silithus? Argent Dawn Reputation? Who will care about some Outland factions with WOTLK out and pre-level 60/70 areas? But I like the more seamless integration of casual PvP into the world.

What GW does totally wrong is making endgame content optional title things like: Drinking 10.000 beer, opening 10.000 chests and so on. This ist all? This is not really a fun thing to do. If the best way to make money is farming a few spots over and over, something is wrong, too.
Their neglection of PvE balance is also not good for a primary pve player. Instead of adding interesting and challenging content, they add a win button for stupids, called Ursan Blessing.

About Age of Conan: I am a huge fan of Robert E. Howard and Heroic Fantasy in general. But they are just making big promises of being different and whatever, but it just seems to be Dark Age of Camelot boiled up again. Nothing new, nothing revolutionery But with very high hardware requirements, and this will be breaking their neck. This will cost them more customers than bad visuals, I agree to the previous posters.

I also take advantage of this. If I am party leader, I'll kidnap my friends and bring them to Italia with me. Then I impress them with my abilità dell'italiano!


If your Monk has Meteor Shower and your Warrior has Flare and Inferno, they deserve to be kicked. Warriors are body shields, and Monks have to follow their circle rule just as well as the midliners do.


It's sad that EotN did this, but you can still be good without Ursan. None of my characters even have the Ursan Blessing skill learned.


I too was scared at first because I couldn't put skills all across my screen like I could in WoW. However, I was excited to be able to change my attribute distribution simply by entering a town!

I'm getting deja vu with this thread (and Zinger's "Litany of")

Very subjective. Personally I love games that have a strong style, it doesn't have to be realistic, and as I love animation I'm more than happy to play cartoony games and still appreciate the art style. I was messing about with the old Warcraft the other day and despite the argument that 'WoW' was made that way to make it easy on low spec PCs' it's obvious to anyone that the Warcraft style was in place long before WoW.

I think where WoW really shines though is in the later instances / Outland.

That said, I still think GW knocks it into a cocked hat in terms of art direction.