I've had a long period away from Guild Wars, I'm not entirely sure why. I guess I've just been doing other things. Recently, however, a couple of friends asked me to come on and help them with some missions. I did so and stayed on for a while and decided to make a paragon.
Anyways, I want to make this paragon good and use it because paragons seem pretty cool. Unfortunately, there's little I hate more than the Nightfall starting area.
I know you can do it, so please motivate me to keep playing my paragon. Sit on my shoulder and whisper in my ear telling me about how awesomely awesome paragons are, how much they rape enemies and how much better off I'll be with a decent paragon.
Builds would also be greatly appreciated, especially paragon healing for me to try, high DPS builds and the godmode imbagon.
Thanks in advance, and inb4 any attempts to persuade me NOT to continue my paragon.
Please convince me to play a paragon!
Mist Walker Skarloc
Sethellington
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10254869
Hodgie
You mentioned prolly the best reason in the OP...........Imbagon if you cannot find another reason to use paragons, a few spring to mind, then being an Imbagon is the best reason to be a gd old paragon.
Avai
God mode. 'Nuff said.
Dr Strangelove
[save yourselves]
[there's nothing to fear]
Happy immortal button mashing.
[there's nothing to fear]
Happy immortal button mashing.
Sir Owns Alot EP
Being a ranged warrior who can empower the entire team and remain highly protected himself seems like a good enough reason.
Having infinate spears is another.
Having infinate spears is another.
Quantisha
The fun thing about paragon is the idea to simply reduce damage in the most effort-less way possible.
I tend to use ["Save Yourselves"! (Luxon)] or [Save Yourselves] and [There's Nothing to Fear] along with [Aggressive [email protected]] and [Focused [email protected]]. With these skills, you provide double the adrenaline with the attack speed increased to 25% faster.
You can consider bringing a short recharge/ short duration shout such as ["Watch Yourself"] or [Anthem of Flame] in order to keep the 25% attack speed boost, as well as the Cracked Armor :P
Also, skills like [Holy Spear] and [Spear of redemption] are low in adrenaline, thus providing moderate damage while building adrenaline.
My most favorite thing to use with Heroes is ["They're On fire"@10 ] and [Song of Power] with [Searing [email protected]] Eles. This provides extra damage reduction and great energy management for after battles.
There's always something fun about each profession, and you will find that build you like. So go ahead and try anything out. Just do not try a [Searing Flames] P/E.
I tend to use ["Save Yourselves"! (Luxon)] or [Save Yourselves] and [There's Nothing to Fear] along with [Aggressive [email protected]] and [Focused [email protected]]. With these skills, you provide double the adrenaline with the attack speed increased to 25% faster.
You can consider bringing a short recharge/ short duration shout such as ["Watch Yourself"] or [Anthem of Flame] in order to keep the 25% attack speed boost, as well as the Cracked Armor :P
Also, skills like [Holy Spear] and [Spear of redemption] are low in adrenaline, thus providing moderate damage while building adrenaline.
My most favorite thing to use with Heroes is ["They're On fire"@10 ] and [Song of Power] with [Searing [email protected]] Eles. This provides extra damage reduction and great energy management for after battles.
There's always something fun about each profession, and you will find that build you like. So go ahead and try anything out. Just do not try a [Searing Flames] P/E.
Mist Walker Skarloc
Ok, thanks a lot for the replies everyone. Congratulations, you've convinced me that spamming TNTF is worth suffering Istan for.
A cargoship full of interwebs for Sethelleington and Quantisha for the build and skill ideas, they've both helped a lot. And no, I will not be a SF Paragon.
Sir Owns Alot Ep: Good point, infinite spears. Where the RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO do they keep all the damned things?
Thanks again for all the replies, I'll start working on getting the skills I need next weekend after my lovely exams.
Edit: bad spelin
A cargoship full of interwebs for Sethelleington and Quantisha for the build and skill ideas, they've both helped a lot. And no, I will not be a SF Paragon.
Sir Owns Alot Ep: Good point, infinite spears. Where the RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO do they keep all the damned things?
Thanks again for all the replies, I'll start working on getting the skills I need next weekend after my lovely exams.
Edit: bad spelin
Richardt
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Originally Posted by Mist Walker Skarloc
Sir Owns Alot Ep: Good point, infinite spears. Where the RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO do they keep all the damned things?
Me and my guild have a couple theories ranging from "Oh they just pull it back cause they attached string to it before throwing it" to "Paragons carry around a little dimensional wormhole....".
In addition to the other things people have suggested, I would also noodle around in the Starter Paragon thread-sure it's a little outdated, but it gots some good stuff in there and if nothing else-will give you some ideas of your own in case you get creative.
Me and my guild have a couple theories ranging from "Oh they just pull it back cause they attached string to it before throwing it" to "Paragons carry around a little dimensional wormhole....".
In addition to the other things people have suggested, I would also noodle around in the Starter Paragon thread-sure it's a little outdated, but it gots some good stuff in there and if nothing else-will give you some ideas of your own in case you get creative.
Antithesis
Pointless thread FTW. Asking if Paragons are good in a Paragon forum...
You've answered your own question in the OP.
You've answered your own question in the OP.
isamu kurosawa
My para also got legendary survivor, cleared DoA, UW, FoW, SF, tombs with a total of 3 deaths.
Bront
Paragons are also fun in groups.
Run your paragon with the paragon henchie when you need henchmen, as they'll help you keep up your echos. Get the 2 Paragon heroes, and you can run Rac's Paragon Buddies build (in the Heroes/AI section) which can supposedly mow through most areas.
I'm suprised you don't like Istan. I've found it to be rather enjoyable compared to the begining area of Factions, and faster moving than the Pre-Searing/Post searing Ascelon. It wasn't too much of a problem to explore the entire island while dong quests (and grouping quests), and if you want to rush though it, you simply go into EotN and level up to 20 there, and then just do the primary quests/missions. To each their own I guess. At least it isn't that hard to get up to R6 sunspear on Istan for TNTF.
Run your paragon with the paragon henchie when you need henchmen, as they'll help you keep up your echos. Get the 2 Paragon heroes, and you can run Rac's Paragon Buddies build (in the Heroes/AI section) which can supposedly mow through most areas.
I'm suprised you don't like Istan. I've found it to be rather enjoyable compared to the begining area of Factions, and faster moving than the Pre-Searing/Post searing Ascelon. It wasn't too much of a problem to explore the entire island while dong quests (and grouping quests), and if you want to rush though it, you simply go into EotN and level up to 20 there, and then just do the primary quests/missions. To each their own I guess. At least it isn't that hard to get up to R6 sunspear on Istan for TNTF.
StormDragonZ
That's easy:
It's a new challenge for you to try.
It's a new challenge for you to try.
Axel Zinfandel
Nightfall is probably the easiest starting area IMO :/ Ascalon is slow, Factions is a bitch due to absolute failure of faction henchmen, and henchmen in general. Nightfall gives you heroes. They not be as good as real players, but at least they are better then henchmen.
Oh, and Imbagon FTW. Only thing bad about Paragons is the overall lack in number of good builds, because once you start running Imbagon, you won't stop. Sure it's extremely effective, but it's boring after a while just button mashing and winning.
Oh, and Imbagon FTW. Only thing bad about Paragons is the overall lack in number of good builds, because once you start running Imbagon, you won't stop. Sure it's extremely effective, but it's boring after a while just button mashing and winning.
Bront
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Originally Posted by Axel Zinfandel
Oh, and Imbagon FTW. Only thing bad about Paragons is the overall lack in number of good builds, because once you start running Imbagon, you won't stop. Sure it's extremely effective, but it's boring after a while just button mashing and winning.
That's something I've seen as a problem with both of the Nightfall professions, mostly because of a lack of Elites, but also due to a lesser selection of skills. Factions professions at least got some extra elites in Nightfall.
Boren Supremecy
im not satisfied unless im seeing a bunch of pretty yellow numbers on my screen and im not seeing that with my paragon like i do with my necro
i know the damage reduction and party buffs are amazing but u don't really get to see the effect...u just got to imagine that the monsters really punch like my lil sister
i know the damage reduction and party buffs are amazing but u don't really get to see the effect...u just got to imagine that the monsters really punch like my lil sister
Mist Walker Skarloc
Thanks again for the extra replies. Good job isamu kurosawa, that's very impressive! I doubt I'll be able to do it, but it'd be fun seeing how well I compare.
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Pointless thread FTW. Asking if Paragons are good in a Paragon forum...
You've answered your own question in the OP. I wasn't asking if paragons are good. In fact, I wasn't asking anything. Look at the OP, there's not a single question mark there.
You've answered your own question in the OP. I wasn't asking if paragons are good. In fact, I wasn't asking anything. Look at the OP, there's not a single question mark there.
Bront
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Originally Posted by Boren Supremecy
im not satisfied unless im seeing a bunch of pretty yellow numbers on my screen and im not seeing that with my paragon like i do with my necro
i know the damage reduction and party buffs are amazing but u don't really get to see the effect...u just got to imagine that the monsters really punch like my lil sister Lots of numbers aren't always as impressive as big numbers.
I regularly do 70-80 in a single attack of my paragon.
Plus, Anthem of Flame and Go for the Eyes makes others do more damage, which works quite well.
There are party energy management skills for a paragon too in [[Zealous Anthem], [[Aria of Zeal], and [[Lyric of Zeal]. It's not a lot, but it can be quite helpful to give that little boost to the party (particularly Zealous Anthem is quite useful to help warriors, rangers, dervishes, and other paragons out).
Yeah, it's not a pure damage character, but honestly, not every one should be, and you're usually more valuable to the party that way.
i know the damage reduction and party buffs are amazing but u don't really get to see the effect...u just got to imagine that the monsters really punch like my lil sister Lots of numbers aren't always as impressive as big numbers.
I regularly do 70-80 in a single attack of my paragon.
Plus, Anthem of Flame and Go for the Eyes makes others do more damage, which works quite well.
There are party energy management skills for a paragon too in [[Zealous Anthem], [[Aria of Zeal], and [[Lyric of Zeal]. It's not a lot, but it can be quite helpful to give that little boost to the party (particularly Zealous Anthem is quite useful to help warriors, rangers, dervishes, and other paragons out).
Yeah, it's not a pure damage character, but honestly, not every one should be, and you're usually more valuable to the party that way.
odly
Please don't play a nerfagon.
Paragon's have been so badly nerfed that the only build left to play relies completely on auto attacking the nearest target and spamming a PvE only warrior skill.
Paragon's have been so badly nerfed that the only build left to play relies completely on auto attacking the nearest target and spamming a PvE only warrior skill.
ZenRgy
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Originally Posted by odly
Please don't play a nerfagon.
Paragon's have been so badly nerfed that the only build left to play relies completely on auto attacking the nearest target and spamming a PvE only warrior skill. I lol'd. Save Yourselves! Is good on a paragon, yes. But useless without it? No.
Paragon's have been so badly nerfed that the only build left to play relies completely on auto attacking the nearest target and spamming a PvE only warrior skill. I lol'd. Save Yourselves! Is good on a paragon, yes. But useless without it? No.
Mr Pink57
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Originally Posted by odly
Please don't play a nerfagon.
Paragon's have been so badly nerfed that the only build left to play relies completely on auto attacking the nearest target and spamming a PvE only warrior skill. No. Its people showing that stupid build every time a thread like this pops up.
[Cruel Spear] [Stunning Strike] [Song of Purification] [Focused Anger]
All great options preferrably [Cruel Spear], its my NM elite most of the time.
pink
Paragon's have been so badly nerfed that the only build left to play relies completely on auto attacking the nearest target and spamming a PvE only warrior skill. No. Its people showing that stupid build every time a thread like this pops up.
[Cruel Spear] [Stunning Strike] [Song of Purification] [Focused Anger]
All great options preferrably [Cruel Spear], its my NM elite most of the time.
pink
Sab
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Originally Posted by odly
Please don't play a nerfagon.
Paragon's have been so badly nerfed that the only build left to play relies completely on auto attacking the nearest target and spamming a PvE only warrior skill. Cruel Spear
Stunning Strike
Defensive Anthem
Song of Restoration
Empathic Removal/Expel Hexes
Paragon's have been so badly nerfed that the only build left to play relies completely on auto attacking the nearest target and spamming a PvE only warrior skill. Cruel Spear
Stunning Strike
Defensive Anthem
Song of Restoration
Empathic Removal/Expel Hexes
Ben-A-BoO
300 half naked men born to penetrate others with spears ... nuff said.
toastgodsupreme
If you want a class where you only have a couple builds to choose from, go paragon.
If only they'd make the class a bit more flexible, I'd play mine. That and change the female dance. Absolutely horrifying. >_>
If only they'd make the class a bit more flexible, I'd play mine. That and change the female dance. Absolutely horrifying. >_>
MasterSasori
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Originally Posted by Mist Walker Skarloc
I know you can do it, so please motivate me to keep playing my paragon. Sit on my shoulder and whisper in my ear telling me about how awesomely awesome paragons are, how much they rape enemies and how much better off I'll be with a decent paragon.
1. High DPS that rivals warriors
2. 80 AL armor
3. Best Defensive support in the game
4. Unremovable chants and shouts
5. Ranged
6. Permanent IAS
7. Awesome in both PvE and PvP
8. Easy to play
9. One of the few classes that can rival Ursan
10. Imbagon
2. 80 AL armor
3. Best Defensive support in the game
4. Unremovable chants and shouts
5. Ranged
6. Permanent IAS
7. Awesome in both PvE and PvP
8. Easy to play
9. One of the few classes that can rival Ursan
10. Imbagon
![Ec]-[oMaN](/static/static/../Img/avatar8384_2.gif){kind=avatar}
Ec]-[oMaN
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Originally Posted by MasterSasori
1. High DPS that rivals warriors
2. 80 AL armor
3. Best Defensive support in the game
4. Unremovable chants and shouts
5. Ranged
6. Permanent IAS
7. Awesome in both PvE and PvP
8. Easy to play
9. One of the few classes that can rival Ursan
10. Imbagon 1# Should be; most boring class to play no matter the skillset, besides a bonder.
2. 80 AL armor
3. Best Defensive support in the game
4. Unremovable chants and shouts
5. Ranged
6. Permanent IAS
7. Awesome in both PvE and PvP
8. Easy to play
9. One of the few classes that can rival Ursan
10. Imbagon 1# Should be; most boring class to play no matter the skillset, besides a bonder.
MasterSasori
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Originally Posted by Ec]-[oMaN
1# Should be; most boring class to play no matter the skillset, besides a bonder.
How many builds have you played? If you find it boring I doubt you are using it correctly.
kostolomac
It's hard for the paragon to compete with warrior in dps due to the strength attribute imo , but being ranged is a good advantage.
MasterSasori
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It's hard for the paragon to compete with warrior in dps due to the strength attribute imo , but being ranged is a good advantage.
No paragons can get pretty close to the damage of a warrior and partly because it is ranged.
lustnlood
ok guys... there probably isnt a greater para fanatic than me so i just want to say that its true paragons have been nerfed big time and have come to be almost useless and unwanted... BUT... when in a para team.. get ready to fight hell itself... i play mostly HA and just to see how an 8 man paragon team can stomp over any given build is enough to prove that they are the godmode of this game(when together)
'nuff said!
'nuff said!
ShadowsRequiem
You'll know you're playing the class that ruined pvp and guildwars it self!
fun am I rite?
fun am I rite?
lustnlood
not rly... its stupid to say that... just like other classes have their strengths... the paragon's strength is a team... if you really believe that then pls just hit uninstall and go play runescape
miskav
lustnlood, your point is invalid.
A paragon's strength is a team?
You are ALWAYS in a team, except for when you farm solo.
That should be an advantage to everyone, not just a ''Oh yay, we are ranged warriors who can use /godmode everywhere'' Thing.
All in all, I don't dislike para's, aslong as they don't run lame builds that ruin the fun :P
A paragon's strength is a team?
You are ALWAYS in a team, except for when you farm solo.
That should be an advantage to everyone, not just a ''Oh yay, we are ranged warriors who can use /godmode everywhere'' Thing.
All in all, I don't dislike para's, aslong as they don't run lame builds that ruin the fun :P
Tyla
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not rly... its stupid to say that... just like other classes have their strengths... the paragon's strength is a team... if you really believe that then pls just hit uninstall and go play runescape
It IS true.
Paragon's, although with all the nerfs are still imbalanced, and you'll be extremely stupid to say otherwise.
I'm not ONLY on about PvE, either.
Paragon's, although with all the nerfs are still imbalanced, and you'll be extremely stupid to say otherwise.
I'm not ONLY on about PvE, either.
Adja1005
A lot of people on GWGuru seem to have a dislike for Paragon's because their "imbalanced" however i still don't agree with the general opinion that they should be nerfed.
I think a lot of people forget that the whole point of a Paragon is to provide immense party support in a defensive manner while still being able to deal out high DPS which is also another way they support the party. Nerf their defensive skills and they'll just be warriors chucking spears. Nerf their DPS and they'll just be like an Ele/Mo but without the huge energy pool.
Not to mention that GW needs another option for high end PvE other than Ursan. An 8 man Imbagon group can be just as effective as an 8 man Ursan group and sometimes be even more effective due to them not relying on HB monks.
I think people generally seem to dislike Paragon's for being a class that can fit two roles in a group at the same time instead of being limited to just the one role. Whats wrong with a high DPS and great defensive ability all in the one class? Do we all want to stay limited to using Ursanway and HB monks?
I think a lot of people forget that the whole point of a Paragon is to provide immense party support in a defensive manner while still being able to deal out high DPS which is also another way they support the party. Nerf their defensive skills and they'll just be warriors chucking spears. Nerf their DPS and they'll just be like an Ele/Mo but without the huge energy pool.
Not to mention that GW needs another option for high end PvE other than Ursan. An 8 man Imbagon group can be just as effective as an 8 man Ursan group and sometimes be even more effective due to them not relying on HB monks.
I think people generally seem to dislike Paragon's for being a class that can fit two roles in a group at the same time instead of being limited to just the one role. Whats wrong with a high DPS and great defensive ability all in the one class? Do we all want to stay limited to using Ursanway and HB monks?
canthar
I've been a lurker here for a long and played guilds for way too long now. The paragon quickly became my preferred class after Nightfall came out. Prior to that it was a Necor, then a Sin with Factions. I like my Paragon because I normally h/h everything. I normally play in the morning hours (EST).
For them being overpowered, when I took my Paragon to Factions and did Viz square the glorius local team got wiped just as I got to Togo. I finished the mission with just my group of h/h and no deaths. This was before SY! and I still do not have or desire SY! I hate the grind. Paragons can be insanely powerful and fun if you like the play style. I've seen just as many Para's who hate them because they don't know how to play them or it's just not for them.
Play and try, if it is not for you, you'll know.
For them being overpowered, when I took my Paragon to Factions and did Viz square the glorius local team got wiped just as I got to Togo. I finished the mission with just my group of h/h and no deaths. This was before SY! and I still do not have or desire SY! I hate the grind. Paragons can be insanely powerful and fun if you like the play style. I've seen just as many Para's who hate them because they don't know how to play them or it's just not for them.
Play and try, if it is not for you, you'll know.
Bront
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Originally Posted by MasterSasori
No paragons can get pretty close to the damage of a warrior and partly because it is ranged.
Exactly.
Because they don't have to move, they can change targets quicker. They only reason they don't have the same DPS is usually because they are occasionaly chanting, and don't attack when they do that (for some chants).
Mist Walker Skarloc
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Originally Posted by Mr Pink57
No. Its people showing that stupid build every time a thread like this pops up.
[Cruel Spear] [Stunning Strike] [Song of Purification] [Focused Anger] All great options preferrably [Cruel Spear], its my NM elite most of the time. pink Thanks for this, I'll try using Cruel Spear in a DPS build until I get "SY!" and a decent sunspear rank for "TNTF!" since it's a very early cap. By the way, what are people's thoughts on a Furious Spear? I know http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10254869 recommends a 5/1, 15^50, +30 spear but would my furious, 15^50, +30 not be better for quickly charging "SY!"?
Mr Pink57
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Originally Posted by Mist Walker Skarloc
Thanks for this, I'll try using Cruel Spear in a DPS build until I get "SY!" and a decent sunspear rank for "TNTF!" since it's a very early cap.
By the way, what are people's thoughts on a Furious Spear? I know http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10254869 recommends a 5/1, 15^50, +30 spear but would my furious, 15^50, +30 not be better for quickly charging "SY!"? Doesn't mattter. 14 Spear 12 Leadership 9 Command [Cruel Spear] [Spear of Lightning] optional ["Never Surrender"] [Anthem of Flame] ["For Great Justice"] [Aggressive Refrain] Res ["Go For The Eyes"] or ["There's Nothing To Fear"] is my usual optional. Can take [Anthem of Weariness] over [Anthem of Flame] especially against destroyers. Can take [Spear of Fury] over [Spear of Lightning] if you have conditions flying around to fuel [Cruel Spear]. Can drop res for ["I Am The Strongest"] but I would max Norn before you do that for +20 death. Puts out decent dps with a bit of party support. pink
Ben-A-BoO
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Originally Posted by Mist Walker Skarloc
... but would my furious ... not be better for quickly charging "SY!"?
Nope, through the simple fact that adrenaline gain is capped at +100% which you get anyway through either [[focused [email protected]] or [[For great justice]. And vamp is just the best mod ever since and a 'must' with an IAS (or just sundering for the lazy folks).
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