Reward Tombs of the Primeval Kings.

inchoate

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Sep 2005

Psycho Titans

E/R

/signed

ANet could easily make up some weak story, re-jig the whole mission. Make it harder and give a good reward at the end.

But... Dear God! No new Greens! Please!

[email protected]

Academy Page

Join Date: Aug 2006

Order Of The Ghost Dragons [mist]

E/

as it currently takes 30 mins in HM to clear all 4 levels, i'd say
/not signed in it's current state.

Taisayacho

Taisayacho

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2007

England (GMT)

The Imperial Guards of Istan [TIGI]

R/

/signed
it's my "i'm bored of GW so i go here" place

Whisper Evenstar

Whisper Evenstar

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Sep 2006

NYC

Governors Of Destruction [GOD]

E/

/signed - how can you not like this idea? i like some of the suggestions about spicing it up a bit too (repeatable quest, etc)

Day Trooper

Day Trooper

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2006

Guild With No [NAM???]

E/Mo

/signed +1 for all the obvious reasons already stated.

Quote:
Originally Posted by [email protected]
as it currently takes 30 mins in HM to clear all 4 levels, i'd say
/not signed in it's current state.
o.O wow is this true? I take it this is using Ursanway + consumables?

Randvek

Randvek

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2006

Rise From the Ashes [phnx]

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by [email protected]
as it currently takes 30 mins in HM to clear all 4 levels, i'd say
/not signed in it's current state.
I've seen Urgoz done in 30 minutes. Should it not be elite?

nbajammer

nbajammer

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2005

Iowa

Blade And Rose [BaR]

Mo/

/signed

It's another Underworld, so-to-speak, and the other one is considered elite so no reason this one shouldn't either.

[email protected]

Academy Page

Join Date: Aug 2006

Order Of The Ghost Dragons [mist]

E/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Day Trooper
o.O wow is this true? I take it this is using Ursanway + consumables?
record is currently 27 mins with 4 b/p, 3 nec 1 monk HM, no consumables, no ursan in sight, and this was set recenetly...

HawkofStorms

HawkofStorms

Hall Hero

Join Date: Aug 2005

E/

Yeah, Ursan way is actually significantly slower then B/P orders teams in that area. AoE ftw.

RavagerOfDreams

RavagerOfDreams

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2007

somewhere over the rainbow....

A/

/signed

moar elite areas please

MithranArkanere

MithranArkanere

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Nov 2006

wikipedia.org/wiki/Vigo

Heraldos de la Llama Oscura [HLO]

E/

Quote:
Originally Posted by RavagerOfDreams
/signed

moar elite areas please
Well, this won't be 'more', this will be 'update', 'revamp', 'pimp'....

Nyree

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Aug 2007

Brazil

The DeathBlow Team

R/Rt

I'm tottaly signed for this. Primeval weapons FTW!!!

The only sad thing is that if they change, the place will probably be populated by ursanway only...

/signed

Maria The Princess

Maria The Princess

Forge Runner

Join Date: Mar 2006

Aequitas Deis

/signed

i remember back in the day when it was worth it i used to do it almost every day and enjoyed it everytime ^.^

it IS an elite area of prophecies just like SF, i dont see why there is no HOM statue and an end chest reward...

Angelica

Angelica

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2006

Aussie land

Me/E

Quote:
Originally Posted by miskav
/signed

I used to enjoy it loads when it came out, but it died out seeing as there's nothing of value there.
^^ Agreed.

PS. I really like your avatar.

Pae

Pae

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2005

I remember doing plenty of Tombs runs for the hell of it in the past; it'd really be nice to see a HoM Monument for it. I've never really understood why SF gets one when Tombs doesn't.

On the weapons, that doesn't really matter as much, because the boss weps already count as somewhat of a end reward. If people want those items, though, then the distribution of it really does suck :P.

ogre_jd

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Feb 2008

Canadia

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Maria The Princess
i remember back in the day when it was worth it i used to do it almost every day and enjoyed it everytime ^.^
And it's not worth it now because...?

kazjun

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2006

HoVa

W/N

Cause the greens used to be worth 100k, now you're lucky to get 5k. And that's if you're really lucky.

Konig Des Todes

Konig Des Todes

Ooo, pretty flower

Join Date: Jan 2008

Citadel of the Decayed

The Archivists' Sanctum [Lore]

N/

Quote:
Originally Posted by MithranArkanere
It's a Dungeon in almost by definition. You have to clear the area instead of getting a key, but it's almost the same. Go further and further until getting to the 'final boss'.

The changes needed in the Tombs are the following ones:

- Repeatable quest. One of the NPCs in the outpost will give a repeatable quest. 1k and 15 XP wouldbe a goo reward for doing it. The quest is finished by killing the Darknesses.
- Reward chest. There will be only one, that will drop 1 non-green rare boss drop (materials, rare equipment, etc) and one random unique (green) from the their drop list for each party member that uses it. 2 drops of each in Hard Mode. That way if you get one of th funny green items, the other reward may still be good. The Darknesses will no longer drop items.
- HoM statue.
- Dungeon icon. Sorrow's Furnace, Urgoz, the Deep, the Tombs and the Anguish will get their respective Dungeon icons, with a chest once they are finished once in each mode.
- Replace timers with rifts. Instead the timers that appear when you clear an area, some of those dark rifts will spawn in various places of the area. Players will then have to 'talk' with the rift to teleport to the next area.
* Aditionally, if players are too slow or take too long to use the rift, Margonites and other Nigthfall demons may spawn from the rift. To prevent they been farmed and making them just a downside for slowpokes, they will drop nothing and give no XP.
Got to agree with MithranArkanere. Except the Dungeon Icon. Sorrow's Furnace should definatly get one, but maybe not Tombs, Urgoz, the Deep, and DoA. DoA is technically the same as UW and FoW, which are elite explorable areas, not dungeons. Urgoz and the Deep are more of missions then dungeons as well. Tombs is basically on its own, not really a mission, not really a dungeon, can be argued to be both.

Another thing that needs a HoM statue is beating EN and beating Slavers', I mean all the other games and elite areas get statues for completion except these three areas, Tombs, Slavers', and EN.

/signed

Maria The Princess

Maria The Princess

Forge Runner

Join Date: Mar 2006

Aequitas Deis

Quote:
Originally Posted by ogre_jd
And it's not worth it now because...?
because back then, the crappy green were going off like cookies, for +20kish, and the decent ones like Victos toys were 100kish like the buwlrak. now you cant give greens away for free..... they are nothing but hero gear.

the only thing you can possibly get is storm bow that is not inscrivable from a chest, or an ecto. those IF they drop dont drop more then 1 or 2 per party.

all loot together with no rares gives you about 1.5k, for a run that takes about 1 hour on average. might as well do UW/FOW and get 5k worth of loot only and a chance of a decent drop, over the same period of time.

but hey, back then ToPK payed for my very 1st set of elite armor, so ill always be happy to go back

ogre_jd

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Feb 2008

Canadia

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Maria The Princess
because back then, the crappy green were going off like cookies, for +20kish, and the decent ones like Victos toys were 100kish like the buwlrak. now you cant give greens away for free..... they are nothing but hero gear.
Ah. So it's not worth doing now if you're greedy. Not because something changed and it's no longer fun to try and get through.

Maria The Princess

Maria The Princess

Forge Runner

Join Date: Mar 2006

Aequitas Deis

Quote:
Originally Posted by ogre_jd
Ah. So it's not worth doing now if you're greedy. Not because something changed and it's no longer fun to try and get through.
not after you have beat it 300 times in the past, no it is not as much fun, especially knowing there is no REAL reward in the end. and who said anything about greedy? ToPK should have the same status as FOW, UW, Depp/Urgoz, Sorrow's etc. since it is an elite area, just seems to be forgotten when it came to end chest reward.

at this moment hardly anyone farms it, since fow/uw etc. offer much better reward for the same amount of time spent.

zamial

zamial

Site Contributor

Join Date: Apr 2006

Usa

TKC

N/

*SPECULATION*

Could it be that this was left this way for a reason? Is this some sort of link into plot of GW2 and that changing it now would mess with the story bubbles of GW2? Just a thought. Most game designers do not accidentally overlook things like this. Food for thought.

beanerman_99

beanerman_99

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2005

In the clouds

[Sage]

E/

Quote:
Originally Posted by [email protected]
record is currently 27 mins with 4 b/p, 3 nec 1 monk HM, no consumables, no ursan in sight, and this was set recenetly...
And this is why the area is dead. Because if you are not a ranger, necro, or monk you won't get into a group. When Tombs came out you were able to find a group of any mix of professions. Didn't take too long before the B/P was figured out and then it was all over.

/signed BUT change it up so the standard builds no longer work.

Richardt

Richardt

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Sep 2007

http://friendsofloa.com/forum

Leader-Legion of Avalon [LoA] Alliance-Recruiting PM for info!

Quote:
Originally Posted by [email protected]
record is currently 27 mins with 4 b/p, 3 nec 1 monk HM, no consumables, no ursan in sight, and this was set recenetly...
If this is true, post the screens in the Fastest Elite Area thread. I'd love to get some Tombs action in that thread.

On topic: Tombs definetely deserves a statue at least. I'd think it be cool if they added in some sort of end chest, but I'd be happy with just the statue

Molock

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2006

Qu??bec

Legacy of Angels [Halo]

E/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Richardt
If this is true, post the screens in the Fastest Elite Area thread. I'd love to get some Tombs action in that thread.

On topic: Tombs definetely deserves a statue at least. I'd think it be cool if they added in some sort of end chest, but I'd be happy with just the statue
The only reason BP is ideal here is because of Fingers of Chaos and the tight paths make an MM a perfect body block. Perhaps if they removed Fingers of Chaos we would see more balanced groups, but then again we would also see more farmers.

Tyla

Emo Goth Italics

Join Date: Sep 2006

/Signed from me.

I remember when I only had Prophecies and everyone thought Rangers were bad for everything apart from this, and Hell's.
I farmed it like 100 times, got crappy greens, and it deserves a decent reward. One worth playing it again.

Elusive of SoLD

Elusive of SoLD

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2007

England

SoLD

Mo/Me

/signed

signed for just being a great idea.. would spark some life in the old dead place anyway

doudou_steve

doudou_steve

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Dec 2007

Canada

Guildless QQ

W/

/signed for all reasons

I remember my first run 2 years ago...we died at the 2nd level but it was still fun!

Stop laughing at me

brad-

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jul 2005

None - Lone Wolf

Mo/W

/signed

It was fun to do for about a month until the greens were farmed out and better skins came along. It really does need to be revamped.

Bront

Bront

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Feb 2008

Honored Order of Light

W/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by zamial
*SPECULATION*

Could it be that this was left this way for a reason? Is this some sort of link into plot of GW2 and that changing it now would mess with the story bubbles of GW2? Just a thought. Most game designers do not accidentally overlook things like this. Food for thought.
GW2 takes place hundreds of years after GW1. There is no link to GW2 hidden in GW1 beyond the Hall of Monuments, which is far from hidden.

Croco Clouds

Croco Clouds

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Mar 2007

Montreal, QC, Canada

Divine Illumination [LaZy]

E/A

/signed I always want to try Tomb with humans

DarkGanni

DarkGanni

Forge Runner

Join Date: Mar 2006

Malta

[CuTe]

E/

Quote:
Originally Posted by MithranArkanere
It's a Dungeon in almost by definition. You have to clear the area instead of getting a key, but it's almost the same. Go further and further until getting to the 'final boss'.

The changes needed in the Tombs are the following ones:

- Repeatable quest. One of the NPCs in the outpost will give a repeatable quest. 1k and 15 XP wouldbe a goo reward for doing it. The quest is finished by killing the Darknesses.
- Reward chest. There will be only one, that will drop 1 non-green rare boss drop (materials, rare equipment, etc) and one random unique (green) from the their drop list for each party member that uses it. 2 drops of each in Hard Mode. That way if you get one of th funny green items, the other reward may still be good. The Darknesses will no longer drop items.
- HoM statue.
- Dungeon icon. Sorrow's Furnace, Urgoz, the Deep, the Tombs and the Anguish will get their respective Dungeon icons, with a chest once they are finished once in each mode.
- Replace timers with rifts. Instead the timers that appear when you clear an area, some of those dark rifts will spawn in various places of the area. Players will then have to 'talk' with the rift to teleport to the next area.
* Aditionally, if players are too slow or take too long to use the rift, Margonites and other Nigthfall demons may spawn from the rift. To prevent they been farmed and making them just a downside for slowpokes, they will drop nothing and give no XP.
Agreed with the above^ Got nothing to add except:

/signed

lady xplorer

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2006

R/Mo

/signed my ranger was born for it..i miss it

ReiNaruto

ReiNaruto

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2007

Valencia, Spain

Green Arse Team

/signed

I would like to have an endchest with the greenies and maybe with some special skin.