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Turtle222

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2007

:D:D

D/W

12 May 2008 at 22:08 - 1

From what i've noticed, over the past years the majority of people have wanted a pvp and pve divide in terms of skills, and hey presto there we have it - A difference of skill effects in PVP and PVE.

Of course the usual reponse is either: "finally, bout time" or "no i didn't want this". But for me it gives me a sense of comfort knowing that Anet have considered our opinion faithfully.

I'm glad my voice is heard.

Do you feel that Anet listened to you (not matter the time it took, im speaking about the fact that they do pay attention)?

discuss

Please refrain from aggressive behaviour, squeeze a soft toy if you wish to vent some rage

In addition, please do not discuss what skills are going to change, or whether you think this is a good idea or not, merely speak about what is in the thread title

Dr Strangelove

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Dec 2005

Wasting away again in Margaritaville

[HOTR]

12 May 2008 at 22:14 - 2

They listened to you, not me. I wouldn't shut up about how bad an idea it is.

Axel Zinfandel

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2007

Northeastern Ohio

LaZy

P/W

12 May 2008 at 22:16 - 3

Considering I mentioned the split in the forums a day before the announcement was made, I feel like my voice was heard

Better then never I say.

Antheus

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2006

12 May 2008 at 22:16 - 4

Or, put differently, they did not listen to those that said that PvE and PvP separation is good.

This was demonstrated with release of PvE-only skills.

It's just a glass hal-full/half-empty situation.

Quote:

In addition, please do not discuss what skills are going to change, or whether you think this is a good idea or not, merely speak about what is in the thread title

So, "yes" or "no"?

Why not make a poll then, it's more suitable, since discussion part seems undesired.

Yichi

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Sep 2005

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Dark Alley [dR]

12 May 2008 at 22:26 - 5

we needed another thread on this why?

Malice Black

Site Legend

Join Date: Oct 2005

12 May 2008 at 22:29 - 6

Because listen to the community is a bad idea, as was splitting the skills into two.

Wild Karrde

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Sep 2006

W/

12 May 2008 at 22:29 - 7

They listened to the whiney farmers, cause they have the loudest voice. They didnt listen to anyone who actually knew what they were talking about.

Yichi

Furnace Stoker

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Dark Alley [dR]

12 May 2008 at 22:31 - 8

Quote:

Originally Posted by Malice Black

Because listening to the Riverside community and GWOnline is a bad idea, as was splitting the skills into two.

I fix'd this for you

Malice Black

Site Legend

Join Date: Oct 2005

12 May 2008 at 22:32 - 9

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wild Karrde

They listened to the whiney farmers, cause they have the loudest voice. They didnt listen to anyone who actually knew what they were talking about.

Which is?

The self rightoues
The PvPers
The HA players
The scrubs
The casual
The hardcore

Everyone has a voice which they believe to be better then everyone else.

SerenitySilverstar

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2006

12 May 2008 at 22:35 - 10

I'm honestly perplexed as to why people are anti the idea of the PvE/PvP skill split. It seems to me that for 2 years straight it is one of the major things players have always wanted.

Can someone please, in a non flammatory and factual way, explain how this will be bad for game play?

As for being listened to? Heck yeah, Anet listen. Look at everything that's been added to the game above and beyond the original client. Whether you like an addition or not is irrelevant.

DarkNecrid

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jul 2006

12 May 2008 at 22:36 - 11

Quote:

Originally Posted by SerenitySilverstar

I'm honestly perplexed as to why people are anti the idea of the PvE/PvP skill split. It seems to me that for 2 years straight it is one of the major things players have always wanted.

Can someone please, in a non flammatory and factual way, explain how this will be bad for game play?

Bigger gap for PvE to PvP and harder for some PvXers, everything in PvE will be buffed not nerfed...

sph0nz

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

none.

W/

12 May 2008 at 22:46 - 12

I'm starting to think this update is kind of a bad idea; I would rather have more PvE-only skills [with similar effects to existing ones] than a slight number change in skills while in a PvP outpost. The biggest problem I have with it is that the same skill with the same icon will have slightly different numbers on it; a better idea would have been a completely new skill name and icon, as others have previously stated.

Furthermore, I like the idea that ArenaNet listens to the community; it has brought many good changes to the game in the past like more storage, PvP unlocks/J menu, and all of the traders which are in the game are only a few of the changes brought by the community's voice. However, like Plato I fear that if the masses become ignorant of a portion of the game, it may go in a bad direction.

SerenitySilverstar

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2006

12 May 2008 at 22:58 - 13

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkNecrid

Bigger gap for PvE to PvP

Sorry but I still don't understand. PvE and PvP are two completely separate entities, so why should this be an issue?

Mr. G

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2006

S. Wales

Mo/Me

12 May 2008 at 22:59 - 14

genocide is a solution to world hunger too

Perhaps its the skeptic in me, but just cause they listened to us doesnt make it a good idea or the best way to implement it

ever been to sardelac? if they gave us everything we wanted there'd be duel pistol wielding pistol ritualists with signet of insta-death

But then again, its not a bad thing they listened to us

untill I see this in practise for a while, im not passing comment

StormDragonZ

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2008

New York

W/R

12 May 2008 at 23:00 - 15

All I have to say is:

If [skill]Prepared Shot[/skill], [skill]Dragon Slash[/skill], [skill]Invoke Lightning[/skill], [skill]Life Transfer[/skill] or [skill]Migraine[/skill] get major changes, it'll be a sad, sad day. Any changes on these elites would be mindbogglingly insane.

bel unbreakable

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2006

scotland

shadow hunters of light

W/Mo

12 May 2008 at 23:01 - 16

still say pvp unlocks are the cause of most of the hate in the game
look at me mom i caped all the skills at the same time

Yichi

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Join Date: Sep 2005

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Dark Alley [dR]

12 May 2008 at 23:08 - 17

Quote:

Originally Posted by bel unbreakable

still say pvp unlocks are the cause of most of the hate in the game
look at me mom i caped all the skills at the same time

These were actually one of the best things for the game and should have been included with the original from the start.

Chthon

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Apr 2007

12 May 2008 at 23:09 - 18

I'm not sure how much of it is them listening to the community and how much of it is them waking up to the fact that PvE is paying the bill and they can't continue to bugger up PvE and expect to sell their next game. At any rate, I appreciate that they are at least attempting to fix what's been done to PvE in the name of PvP, and I'm hoping that their implementation comes out well. Now, if only I could get the to listen to me about removing that timer from soul reaping...

Longasc

Forge Runner

Join Date: May 2005

12 May 2008 at 23:10 - 19

ANet always listens, I just wonder what they understand.

See how titles and pve skills turned out in the end, into tons of grinder titles and ursan blessing.

OK, some people wanted an easy mode, but I am sure many did not want PvE skills to be like that. The same for adding more and more titles.

And now let's see if the new pve/pvp separation we will experience on Thursday will turn out.

Right now we are in the Guinea Pig Wars phase...

VitisVinifera

Banned

Join Date: Nov 2005

Northern California

HoTR

N/Me

12 May 2008 at 23:11 - 20

a day late, a dollar short

they waited until the game, or at least the pvp part, is virutally dead

this should have come a long long time ago -- when it would have made a difference

Zinger314

Debbie Downer

Join Date: May 2006

N/Me

12 May 2008 at 23:11 - 21

People have been asking for a PvE/PvP split since the game went live.

ArenaNet didn't listen to us; they just realized "Well, we have nothing to lose."

Zahr Dalsk

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Aug 2007

Canada

12 May 2008 at 23:14 - 22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wild Karrde

They listened to the whiney farmers, cause they have the loudest voice. They didnt listen to anyone who actually knew what they were talking about.

Oh hi.

Protective Spirit has not received any form of nerf nor have the skills that power a 55 monk/55 necro/330 rit been rendered unusable. The solo farmers are doing just fine as skills stand now. The non-farmers (like you, probably) are the ones who have been whining.

Yichi

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Join Date: Sep 2005

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Dark Alley [dR]

12 May 2008 at 23:16 - 23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zahr Dalsk

Oh hi.

Protective Spirit has not received any form of nerf nor have the skills that power a 55 monk/55 necro/330 rit been rendered unusable. The solo farmers are doing just fine as skills stand now. The non-farmers (like you, probably) are the ones who have been whining.

Because doing anything to Prot Spirit would destroy a skill that is working as it's intended to work. How is Prot Spirit not working as the description says it should?

MithranArkanere

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Nov 2006

wikipedia.org/wiki/Vigo

Heraldos de la Llama Oscura [HLO]

E/

12 May 2008 at 23:17 - 24

They are going to do what they are going to do because there is no other way to do so in GW1. Not because some people are against this or another agree with this.

What is not going to be different is FUNCTIONALITY of skills. If they change a certain functionality, the functionality will be changed for both PvP and PvE version of the skill.

Now does that affect gameplay?

NO.

In PvP people has 200 attribute points, and thuse their max damage and average attributes are mostly the same.

But in PvE, monsters may have more than 400 attribute points, so a skill that would give 20 armor and reduce 100 damage from an enemy attack to 75 damage, may have 40 in PvE and reduce a hit of 400 damage to 200?
In PvE you are not fighting in equal footage. NEVER. Monsters may have more Health, way more energy, more attributes, more skills, Monster skills, and Player just get PvE skills, and keep the same limitations as in PvE.
The only limiations hostile NPCs have in PvE is thir puny AI.

Since the measures are different, it's logical than some figures may perfectly be different.

Trub

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Mar 2006

Sitting in the guildhall, watching the wallows frolic.

Trinity of the ascended [SMS]+[Koss]+[TAM]=[ToA]

12 May 2008 at 23:18 - 25

Quote:

Please refrain from aggressive behaviour, squeeze a soft toy if you wish to vent some rage

*Grabs an ecto, squeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeez*
ANet has always listened to the players...it's the sifting thru all the crap to get to the good ideas that took so long.

Yichi

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Join Date: Sep 2005

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Dark Alley [dR]

12 May 2008 at 23:20 - 26

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trub

*Grabs an ecto, squeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeez*
ANet has always listened to the players...it's the sifting thru all the crap to get to the good ideas that took so long.

they should keep sifting, because a lot of crap still makes it through.

BlackSephir

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2006

A/N

12 May 2008 at 23:20 - 27

Define "us".
Because I don't feel like AN has listened to me.

Gift3d

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2007

Las Vegas

Enraged Whiny Carebears [oR]

W/E

12 May 2008 at 23:20 - 28

The CONCEPT of this idea is freaking great and long overdue. We have to see what changes are made when this concept is actually implemented to see whether it's truly a good move or not, though.

Trub

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Mar 2006

Sitting in the guildhall, watching the wallows frolic.

Trinity of the ascended [SMS]+[Koss]+[TAM]=[ToA]

12 May 2008 at 23:21 - 29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yichi

they should keep sifting, because a lot of crap still makes it through.

LOL..Yichi!!!!!<3

Hopefully..they have been hiring more peoples for thier Dev teams...more sifters.. make for a cleaner game..

Yichi

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Join Date: Sep 2005

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Dark Alley [dR]

12 May 2008 at 23:22 - 30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trub

LOL..Yichi!!!!!<3

Hopefully..they have been hiring more peoples for thier Dev teams...more sifters.. make for a cleaner game..

If they would just hire someone with common sense, id settle for that...

bryann380

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2006

USA

Mo/

12 May 2008 at 23:24 - 31

So Anet listens after all.... only took them THREE YEARS to start doing it. They mentioned only a handful of skills will be split. So I estimate by the time they get around to the rest, GW3 or maybe GW4 will be out.

PvE and PvP skills should have been separated since day one.

Vinraith

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2006

12 May 2008 at 23:31 - 32

It scares the hell out of me that Anet bows to the will of the community as easily and often as it does, since I think generally this community (in much the same way as the community for most online games) doesn't want what's best for the game. I give them a lot of credit for listening, I just wish they were a little wiser about what they act on.

Snow Bunny

Alcoholic From Yale

Join Date: Jul 2007

Strong Foreign Policy [sFp]

12 May 2008 at 23:33 - 33

ANet caved in to the demands of shitty players with a shitty mindset towards this game. Anet did not listen to players with any knowledge of what's good for this game, PvE or PvP.

So yes, ANet listened to the vast majority. But the majority is almost always wrong.

Sniper22

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2005

12 May 2008 at 23:34 - 34

Quote:

Originally Posted by SerenitySilverstar

Sorry but I still don't understand. PvE and PvP are two completely separate entities, so why should this be an issue?

See thats the thing; they aren't for some people. Guild Wars is one game. PvP and PvE are just two different parts of it. Separating the two by this update separates the two parts even more which the people who do both don't want. So...

1) It's just stupid. Why should my LoD heal for less when I'm facing players compared to facing monsters.

2) It causes more confusion. With two different forms of skills, this forces people to remember both function for PvE and PvP and this could get confusing when switching between the two.

3) GW should not be two separate games. If anything anet should encourage people to play both. Both areas are fun and people are missing out if they don't do both. I don't have enough experience at the higher levels, but playing random arenas or alliance battles is fun when you aren't always facing hardcore pvp only people. Separating the two parts will almost force people to choose a side.

Now on to the topic....

So who did anet listen to? Not everyone was for this idea. GW Guru does not represent the entire GW community. Sometimes people are wrong.

Xunlai Guru Agent

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2006

12 May 2008 at 23:38 - 35

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zinger314

People have been asking for a PvE/PvP split since the game went live.

ArenaNet didn't listen to us; they just realized "Well, we have nothing to lose."

What he said..

Infectious

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Dec 2006

New Zealand FTW

Ex Talionis [Law]

12 May 2008 at 23:41 - 36

Quote:

Originally Posted by MithranArkanere

They are going to do what they are going to do because there is no other way to do so in GW1. Not because some people are against this or another agree with this.

What is not going to be different is FUNCTIONALITY of skills. If they change a certain functionality, the functionality will be changed for both PvP and PvE version of the skill.

Now does that affect gameplay?

NO.

In PvP people has 200 attribute points, and thuse their max damage and average attributes are mostly the same.

But in PvE, monsters may have more than 400 attribute points, so a skill that would give 20 armor and reduce 100 damage from an enemy attack to 75 damage, may have 40 in PvE and reduce a hit of 400 damage to 200?
In PvE you are not fighting in equal footage. NEVER. Monsters may have more Health, way more energy, more attributes, more skills, Monster skills, and Player just get PvE skills, and keep the same limitations as in PvE.
The only limiations hostile NPCs have in PvE is thir puny AI.

Since the measures are different, it's logical than some figures may perfectly be different.

Anyone who complains that skills need buffed for PvE is just plain useless.
The reason monsters in PvE have stupidly high armour and crap is because they are a set AI, programed to do certain things a certain way, anyone with half a brain can manuipulate this to there advantage.
Oh, and need I mention ursan?

Yichi

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Sep 2005

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Dark Alley [dR]

12 May 2008 at 23:46 - 37

Quote:

Originally Posted by MithranArkanere

What is not going to be different is FUNCTIONALITY of skills. If they change a certain functionality, the functionality will be changed for both PvP and PvE version of the skill.

Now does that affect gameplay?

NO.

changing output or effectiveness of a skill is changing the functionality of said skill, so in short, you're wrong.

Buster

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2006

Elona

Clan Eternal Legion

D/W

12 May 2008 at 23:51 - 38

Perhaps they are experimenting before this gets implemented into GW2 ? With PAX about 3 months away for GW2 showing why make drastic changes unless its just an experiment.

GloryFox

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2006

Good ol' USA, where everyone else wants to be

Now Plays World of Warcraft on Whisperwind

12 May 2008 at 23:58 - 39

This is nothing but good news. That said I'll be happy when I see it done properly as in reverting many of the class aspects back to their un nerfed forms.

They can start by reverting the Ritualist Lord Build back to how it was pre nerfed status.

Second they can revert many of the Paragon Skills (Aggressive Refrain to start) back to their original Forms.

Then they can un nerf many of the Mesmer Inspiration & Monk Smite Skills they ruined.

Master Sword Keeper

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2006

Dead Isle

Farmers Of Woe [FoW]

W/

13 May 2008 at 00:03 - 40

yea i've been lookin for this update for a while.

I had been askin for the change and suggesting the method and now it's finally happened?

It'll be nice to see stances and most of the BAD nerfs reverted...

/signed

Yea they listened. result = Happy