Zaishen Chest for PvE people!

What they should have done with it is give 10 balth faction a kill in HM. Makes both sides happy.

Shouldn't pvp players be able to obtain legedary guardian without having to pve?
Stop whining and start playing on arenas.

What's next, a way to obtain Gladiator in pve? Rofl.

/not signed

But if you want to blur the lines between PvE and PvP rewards, let me craft elite armor with my PvP only toons. I'll sign any of "Give PvP rewards to PvE'rs" then.

I think there should be some way as gaining Z-keys or even better balth faction thogh pve, But i dont know if this is the right idea.

dumbest idea ever.

sorry bad players don't deserve anything

Why because you wouldnt get money anymore from the PvE'rs.

Just so you realize it still wouldnt be easy for the title and allow more people to use that faction also to unlock more skills instead of speading money on skills.

500 foes in HM killed would equal 1 key or 5k balths faction.

Seems fair enough since the zaishen title is afterall a pve title.

as if it was hard to kill 500 raptors

it would take you like 15 minutes to kill'em , you (probably) can't make 20k balths faction in an hour

thats why it's a dumb idea

the answer is written some posts above "buy them with the gold you earned farming" as simple as that

exactly, so why are the PvP people getting these PvE stuffs see, that's the question thats been bugging me. if no one have "claim" anything regarding this keys/title it would not occur to me.

but then everyone is OH THERE YOU GO QQ, NOW YOU GET THIS STUIPD EMOTE FOR PVE PLAYERS. I am thinking must be a PvP player that siad that, so if its for QQ pve-ers, why is it accessible via PvP playing?


explanation: the original emote, what do you have to do to get it. play PvP, nothing else. right. so logically if an emote is for PvE, then it should be play PvE to get it, nothing else, that's why I am asking this from the beginning the zaishen title comes out. does not seem to sink into most people yet.

Pumpkin_pie, PvPers want shiney stuff too. Also, keep in mind that PvP players do NEED money (guild invites, buying sigils for Guild Halls). Being able to sell junk golds made by the z-chest to the merchant or sell the keys dirrectly to PvE players are the only way PvP only players can reliably make money (not counting HoH chest, but that only gets opened 8 times every 10 miniutes, not a good source of income unless you get a mini ghostly).

Yes, give PvE farmers a way to obtain zaishen keys. Keep the suggestions coming please.

If zaishen keys were obtainable through PvE, they'd be easily farmed, and you'll basically screw the PvPers over, even though zaishen keys were made for them in the first place. PvErs don't get all the attention/benefits. Accept that, and move on.

I suggest you go back and count them. Its 34 raptors a run. at 3-5 mins a run on HM that would only be 102-170 every 15 mins. You would only get roulghy 1 key an hour doing them. Not sure where you got 20k faction an hour at. as it would be close to 5k faction.

Its not just about farmers. Everyone who also plays in HM, such as Vanquishing. With such crappy rewards it needs more to it.

Then give people who play hard mode something other then an item that was implemented for PvPers. Although I don't see why they deserve more, seeing as the whole point of vanquishing is for a title, not for gold.

According to the all-knowing community manager, the Zaishen title was apparently to give a title to "winners of Monthly Automated Tournaments".
See, now we know that community managers are morons.

Since their intent was to "reward PvPers" (...lol), they probably won't implement this. It's a stupid idea anyway.

GvG is not rewarding enough - I want to be able to gain points on my Legendary Guardian title while GvGing. Every win = 1 mission completed. Or every win = 1 zone vanquished. How about that?

You're ole so right. Since we cant have each side sharing. Lets just remove all PvP rewards that offer PvE items. Since those items where for PvE according to you that means PvP should never be able to use or get any PvE items. Sounds like a perfect idea to mean make the suggestion and Ill sign it. Make it so that PvP chars cant use armor, weapons and that from PvE. And if someone takes a PvE char those PvE items are unequiped and must use plain ole core items. Yeap sounds wonderful if neither side get what was implemented for the other now doesnt it.

PvPers, as it were, have relatively few means of getting cash.

This includes selling guild invites, rewards from hall of heroes, fame farming runs...and not much else. The PvP environment is much more hostile in terms of acquiring cheap, easy rewards. FoW can be done in ~45 minutes with ease, and with decent rewards. It normally takes about 30 minutes alone to organize a group for GvG/HA.

Why are you little bastards so damned greedy?

For once, be grateful for what you have, you miserable sods.

/notsigned

I know pvpers need cash, i just don't understand why players say this is a pve title when it is obviously a pvp title. if it is a pve title players should be playing pve to get it and only play pve to get it. (rofl, i once inherited a guild, accidentally kick myself from it thou :P~ so yes i know it take gold to up keep a guild, and phewww was i lucky i kick myself, otherwise i'd be even more broke then now)

do you see?

No, I don't. Explain it, because otherwise you have seriously flawed logic.

PvPers do PvP, get faction, turn it into keys, sell keys, get money. PvPers care very little for a crappy little emote, especially one that looks absurd.

The Zaishen emote and title are PvE. PvE'ers have been crying for an emote for some time now. Well, this exemplifies it. You can spend all those ectos and whatnot to purchase a shiny little emote, because you sucked too much otherwise to get yourself the emote people clamored for.

lol, I don't have ectos, never go to elite dungeon or endgame thing or what ever, don't like it, because those are to me = pug, which i hate.

now that's out of the way.

PvP'ers do pvp get the original emote, right? now you get a second one for doing PvP while its is consider PvE title... right? Fair? Logic? NO.

PvP'ers don't like crappy little emote, right? many PvP'ers on this forums express their dislike and scord this emote that is suppose to belong to PvE'ers calling it absurds and crappy little emote, but still you get to turn this into money on-top of all the fame, blathazars factions, sigils drops in halls. Fair? Logic? NO

PvE'ers Crying for emote, right? Right, but wait, not only did we PvE'ers not get what we ask for, we get absurd looking ones according to you that players keep saying its "crappy little emote" that both PvP and PvE players can get? Fair? Logic? NO.

Weather i sucked or not at this game its not what this thread is about, soooooo please keep that to yourself. oh and for you to say I sucked, is it fair? is it logic? have you 1 vs 1 me? is that fair? Logic to say? NO.

lol
You don't get this pathetic title by pvping but by opening the z chest. Most pvpers don't bother with it and it's pvers who went on a rampage "omg must buy z keys" instead of playing some pvp and getting the keys themselves.

I know! BlackSephir, I know. so if its a crappy little key stop trashing it already. its not making the people who like it fell better about a game they love and things they want to do and get in the game.

and do you agree that by looking at a screen name and maybe a few posts they write, that you know this person sucked at playing guild wars? you think thats fair and logic?

wherefore need pvp'ers money please. you god damn pvp#ers get every shit for f***** FREE ingame money wise.. all you have to do is either play so long PvP, until you can unlock your shit through Balthazar Points, or you go to the Online Store and buy you all the pvp crap there to have every stuff instantly unlocked for your god damn pvp character, without having a f***** FINGER to move for it in PvP.
PvP'ers don't need money and with these shit Z-keys and this retarded Z-Title now can make PvP'ers far easier a huge fortune, then PvE'ers can make, just by selling those dumb keys now for 5plat each.
The implemention of this new title was again the most retardest shit anet could implement into the game over way much better titles, that are for long time requested, like Questing Titles for the Campaigns as a new Achievement Ttile Row like Vanguisher, Cartographer ect.

These titles would have made like a million times more sense, than to implement to the GW the most retarded insane impossible shit grind title, the game could ever receive, which tops the other optional Grind Titles Drunkard, Sweettooth and Partyanimal together easily several times in kind of insane effort of grindign for eternities. !!!! that damn title is so much freakign grind, that you have no hope in ever gettign it maxed. Who the f*** should have ever 100 MILLION Gold, or 100 MILLION balthazar Points in this game ???
No one never ever will get this, before GW2 comes out!! I'm 100% sure about that.

It takes a player to get 100k Points for Hero title far more than 3 years and we have still NO SINGLE PLAYER with R15 !!! No imagine compared to tat, how long it will take to get 100 Million BP or 100 Million Gold >.<.
How long believes Anet, should we play this game, before we should max this one title huh ? 1000 Years or what !!!!???

For what hat Pvp'ers PvE Characters with that they can earn money huh ?
if you think you need money with your PvP Character, then go god damn it earn it with your PVE-Characters and not vice versa, because anythign else destroys the games Economy !!! Those Z-Keys do it in many ways, especially when PvP'ers make in shiort time big amounts of them to sell them then in PvE for 5p/ea os that they PvP toon become quick rich, which need absolutely not to have money to buy anything, because you can as said unlock everythign through playing pvp or through buying the unlocks per O-Store.

Where is the reason to give pvP characer every shit for free, when they don't need to have money ect to buy all they stuff from NPC's, like PvE CHaracters have to, to become with some time PvP-ready.

This whole Zaishen Stuffs is complete retarded and should have been never implemented to the game imo !!. Z-Chest is also a reason, why mostly all golds are nearly nothing worth anymore in PvE >.>
ANd why all this shit ? Only because anet is too dumb to give pvP's somethign better, with that they can waste all their balthazar Points better, which doesn#t result then into the destruction of the PvE Economy !!!

this is not the subject here >.<

It is rather dumb to get z-keys there. Just in one abandoned place in the desert in tyria ..
z-keys in PvE rewards is pretty dumb, making it a reward for one single PvE reward is even more dumb.

/notsigned

Its called FARMING

PvE'ers can buy this emote, with a chance to make good returns on their money. Buying the /rank emote is expensive, this one less so.

So yes, it's a PvE emote.

as pyro maniac stated, that's not the point

but now you're on it, there are titles that are impossible for the average player to get (drunkard, sweet tooth, party animal), so why are you crying for another impossible title? fyi there are people who paid several stacks of armbraces for a mini vizu, and if my maths aren't wrong, you need less than 3 stacks to get max /zrank, so yeah, it's pretty much impossible... not

and as for pvping, if you suck, you'll pass hard times to get 5k balths, the same logic applies to pve, if you suck at farming you profit less.

now the "free items" thing, just because they don't pay "gold" it means its free? thats just stupid, go get obsidian armor via pvp and then you tell me if it didn't cost you a thing

just because pvpers don't use cash it doesn't mean their achievements are worthless

PvP is about Skill, not about Looks imo still and I can't remember the possibilty to get as PvP-Character Obsidian Armors, because PvP Characters don't can go to the Fissure of WoE ... you need a PvE Character to craft this armor to unlock it for PvP.

Hmm, at least so was the gameplay of GW long ago, I'm no PvP'er but thats the fact of gameplay I know of GW, since I started playing it, when my preordered Proph CE came to me, 3years passed, hmm, many can change, but such changes i'd know from, but then otherwise I don't look very much after Updates that correspond PvP anyway XD so i might have missed something or forgotten somethign over the time lol

However, fatc is, PvP Characters can unlock mostly everything alone through playing PvP, collecting BP and usign them to unlock, Skills, insignias, upgrades ect. As PvP Character you can't craft you armors, you just are able to select you some generic normal armor pieces, that aren't even Elite Armor, when you create you your PvP Character. So far I'm right or ?
So where is there now the point in, that PvP Characters need money, when in the end it are only PvE Characters, that can craft for themself all the armors, that you want for as said money?

Whatever, all this will change nothing on the point, that the whole stuff around Z-keys, the Z-Chest and this new title is retarded crap of ANet, that proves again, how much those Developers fail at implementing good things to the game, which don't become instantly then a new part of the whole, which destroy the games economy... Nothign of this stuff isn't even a Money Sink, that makes all of it even worser.

http://guildwars.wikia.com/wiki/PvP_reward there's your "fow armor is for pve chars only"

/signed PvP gets a lot more stuff than PvE about time the tables were turned!

What are you on? PvP gets much less than PvE. PvE gets entire CAMPAIGNS.

WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME A NEW PVP GAME TYPE WAS INTRODUCED?

PvE:

136 explorable areas
18 dungeons
38 missions
33 titles
hundreds of quests
hundreds of monsters
hundreds of items

PvP:

Fort Aspenwood/Jade Quarry/Alliance Battles
Random Arena/Team Arena
Heroes' Ascent
Guild Battle
Hero Battle
6 titles


I'm sure there's stuff I missed, but I think I made my point clear. Unless I'm mistaken, it looks like PvE has a lot more than PvP.

Please, think before you post.

I won't belabor the issue, but you didn't mention the number of maps the various arenas get. Quite small compared to the amount of areas you get for PvE.

Where's the Zaishen key merchant?

Great Temple ID 1

I see this going way off topic soon, but anyway.....

Zaishen is PvE because PvP players don't care about the title or emote. PvP players sell their keys. PvE players buy the keys from PvP players using money they farmed. PvE players use Balthazar Faction to get keys from what they earn in AB (cause AB is a PvE arena) or from the easy Zaishen Training. Lastly, PvE players use the rewards they get from the GvG/HB voting setup.

It really is not hard to get 5k Balthazar Faction for a PvE player. It may not happen as fast as for PvP players, but it isn't hard at all.

I can't find him, whereabouts does he stand?

4 hero battle maps
14 arena maps
5 alliance battle maps
10 heroes' ascent maps
16 guild halls
1 fort aspenwood
1 jade quarry

Total maps for PvP: 51
Total explorable areas for PvE: 136

Oh, look, PvP has less than half the maps as PvE. You should think before you post too.

Up the first set of stairs, to the right. His name is Tolkano [Tournament].

Ehhh... that's the tournament reward guy...

There are many of them. They're special because they are the only NPCs who spam local chat with "selling z keys"