Disgraceful.
Someone should start a "Post your rig!" thread or something.
O wait...
:P
Overclocking made simple
Snograt
Kaida the Heartless
http://video.google.com/videosearch?...en&sitesearch=
Now you may overclock to your heart's content, just no complaining when it takes your liquid 3 days to cool back down. :P
Now you may overclock to your heart's content, just no complaining when it takes your liquid 3 days to cool back down. :P
Snograt
Lol - imagine having to RMA a graphics card that's been in that system 
Lord Sojar
Fix thy temperatures NOW Snog, before I have to beat you to death with a waffle iron, aka a P4 processor!
Snograt
I will, I will - I'm working the wrong damn shift to do anything about it right now 
This is being typed on a wonderful NT4 system running IE6. Badly. My company are misers.
Speaking of which, can someone decipher "x86 family 15 model 2 stepping 7" - I've always wondered what's inside
This is being typed on a wonderful NT4 system running IE6. Badly. My company are misers.
Speaking of which, can someone decipher "x86 family 15 model 2 stepping 7" - I've always wondered what's inside
The Way Out
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I will, I will - I'm working the wrong damn shift to do anything about it right now
This is being typed on a wonderful NT4 system running IE6. Badly. My company are misers. Speaking of which, can someone decipher "x86 family 15 model 2 stepping 7" - I've always wondered what's inside |
As for the deciphering, read this article. Pretty good read...
http://www.demandtech.com/FAQsCPU.htm
Anyone who bashes quality products here (like Thermaltake) needs to *pull head out of own ass*
Kattar
I have three "waffle irons" sitting in my room right now. NT4 server is so damn loud I'm thinking of hooking up the fans to the AC system in my house to spread some more air around.
We have mostly new gear where I work, which I was very surprised at. Get to setup four servers this afternoon. Dual Quad Xeons here I come!
We have mostly new gear where I work, which I was very surprised at. Get to setup four servers this afternoon. Dual Quad Xeons here I come!
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I have three "waffle irons" sitting in my room right now. NT4 server is so damn loud I'm thinking of hooking up the fans to the AC system in my house to spread some more air around.
We have mostly new gear where I work, which I was very surprised at. Get to setup four servers this afternoon. Dual Quad Xeons here I come! |
My home servers are on an old PII (Fedora) and VMWare Server (3 Windows Server 2003 R2 x64) running Fedora 9 x64 off of my main gaming rig. lol
I always get a kick out of how much underused most hardware is. People buy a quad core and only play crysis. hahahahahahaha
Kattar
I know. Quads at home are basically unnecessary for most people. Heck, even duals are most of the time.
I use ALL my gear though, lol.
I use ALL my gear though, lol.
Snograt
Hmm, going with the Zalman (http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showpr...odid=HS-031-ZA) as the others are either out of stock or, in my opinion, too damn big (reviews mention motherboard bowing).
OcUK don't do AeroCool or Thermaltake fans, sadly - what would you recommend out of this lot?
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showpr...odid=HS-031-ZA
As an aside, tech forums seem to be split between people who actually know stuff and people who champion certain products because they own them. I've been guilty of the latter before now, but I'm gradually getting more informed, thanks to this forum. I've visited several tech forums in the past, but this is the friendliest and least elitist I've had the pleasure to know
OcUK don't do AeroCool or Thermaltake fans, sadly - what would you recommend out of this lot?
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showpr...odid=HS-031-ZA
As an aside, tech forums seem to be split between people who actually know stuff and people who champion certain products because they own them. I've been guilty of the latter before now, but I'm gradually getting more informed, thanks to this forum. I've visited several tech forums in the past, but this is the friendliest and least elitist I've had the pleasure to know
Blackhearted
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I know. Quads at home are basically unnecessary for most people. Heck, even duals are most of the time.
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I know. Quads at home are basically unnecessary for most people. Heck, even duals are most of the time.
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http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicati...5377&CatId=332
Great system and good bargain for the price. You can pick up 4GB of SLI memory for 75$ as long as you use two different mailing names. *wink wink*
Windblade Ionic Z
Before buying a new cooler, I would try reseating the existing cooler with some Artic Silver thermal compound. Be sure to clean the old goo off.
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Hmm, going with the Zalman (http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showpr...odid=HS-031-ZA) as the others are either out of stock or, in my opinion, too damn big (reviews mention motherboard bowing).
OcUK don't do AeroCool or Thermaltake fans, sadly - what would you recommend out of this lot? http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showpr...odid=HS-031-ZA As an aside, tech forums seem to be split between people who actually know stuff and people who champion certain products because they own them. I've been guilty of the latter before now, but I'm gradually getting more informed, thanks to this forum. I've visited several tech forums in the past, but this is the friendliest and least elitist I've had the pleasure to know |
Kattar
Wow, that's a really nice rig for that price. I would almost by that, but I've been spending too much money lately. Need to get a few other things squared away before I buy another rig. Bleh.
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Wow, that's a really nice rig for that price. I would almost by that, but I've been spending too much money lately. Need to get a few other things squared away before I buy another rig. Bleh.
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Funny thing is, that same system with Vista Ultimate and Office 2007 would run you over a grand. hahahaha
Kattar
Most definitely. Software, especially from Microsoft, is such a rip off it's ridiculous.
Snograt
Just to quote myself a couple of hours ago:
I'm sitting here with the OcUk site open, y'see. 
I'm assuming the 120mm fans are the best option for airflow and quietness - I'm also making the huge assumption that they'll fit my case
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OcUK don't do AeroCool or Thermaltake fans, sadly - what would you recommend out of this lot?
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showpr...odid=HS-031-ZA |
I'm assuming the 120mm fans are the best option for airflow and quietness - I'm also making the huge assumption that they'll fit my case
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Just to quote myself a couple of hours ago:
I'm sitting here with the OcUk site open, y'see. I'm assuming the 120mm fans are the best option for airflow and quietness - I'm also making the huge assumption that they'll fit my case |
Snograt
I'm an idiot - I posted my case on the last page ><
"Support up to 9 x 120 mm fans (optional)"
Now I just need to know if there's any pros/cons with the particular fans that OcUK sell (above).
"Support up to 9 x 120 mm fans (optional)"
Now I just need to know if there's any pros/cons with the particular fans that OcUK sell (above).
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I'm an idiot - I posted my case on the last page ><
"Support up to 9 x 120 mm fans (optional)" Now I just need to know if there's any pros/cons with the particular fans that OcUK sell (above). |
Snograt
Ok then, I will stick with Zalman - http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showpr...%20-%203%20Pin
I quite like the blue, glowy ones, but as one reviewer said, "If you don't mind your PC sounding like a Hoover..."
I quite like the blue, glowy ones, but as one reviewer said, "If you don't mind your PC sounding like a Hoover..."
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Ok then, I will stick with Zalman - http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showpr...%20-%203%20Pin
I quite like the blue, glowy ones, but as one reviewer said, "If you don't mind your PC sounding like a Hoover..." |
Cyb3r
haha the way out i totaly understand what you mean(the psu in my other pc sounds close to a 747 taking off(that is for a pc think i'll have to glue it to the ground xd)
Got one 120 mm in the top and one 145mm in the psu, both are good ^^, wished i could fit that 145 mm from my old psu that broke down due to a factory error -_- into my case :P
but for cpu cooling ya can't go wrong with thermaltake(newer series, no comment on a certain older series where i've had alot of problems with and i'm not the only one)/Zalman (very decent cooling, yet silent but takes up space so you're mobo has to have enough space (no comment on the spacing on the AN8 series -_-) or Arctic Cooling
I personally prefer Arctic Cooling (for the heatpipes/still rather silent combo and not taking up too much space (not a problem in the case which is a big server case ^^) (it's the mobo spacing which is a pain, darn memory bays are so close to the cpu that it was a pain to get my Corsair XmS ram in it (now sitting in my older pc since i couldn't set in Dual )
Got one 120 mm in the top and one 145mm in the psu, both are good ^^, wished i could fit that 145 mm from my old psu that broke down due to a factory error -_- into my case :P
but for cpu cooling ya can't go wrong with thermaltake(newer series, no comment on a certain older series where i've had alot of problems with and i'm not the only one)/Zalman (very decent cooling, yet silent but takes up space so you're mobo has to have enough space (no comment on the spacing on the AN8 series -_-) or Arctic Cooling
I personally prefer Arctic Cooling (for the heatpipes/still rather silent combo and not taking up too much space (not a problem in the case which is a big server case ^^) (it's the mobo spacing which is a pain, darn memory bays are so close to the cpu that it was a pain to get my Corsair XmS ram in it (now sitting in my older pc since i couldn't set in Dual
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zamial
This is a great Idea snog with the OC made easy but the deal is, it is not.
People are Id10t5 and think that chip x=y settings.
This is hardly the case. Now take into account all the different hardware manufactures and chip sets. lol. Every chip (even 1's made right after 1 another by the same manufacturer) will over clock differently.
2 things, at least for me that are constants are: stability and temps.
Start off slow and take baby steps.
Overclock and stability will change over time, what once was stable is not anymore.
The rule of thumb for ALL OVERCLOCKING IS: If you can not afford to replace it, don't do it.
says,"over clocking is like a drug, Just a little more, just 1000 more points in 3Dmark06, just 50 more FPS.".
also says,"When will you be happy? Set a limit."
Before you overclock anything get cooling under control and always turn all the fans up to 100%.
People are Id10t5 and think that chip x=y settings.
This is hardly the case. Now take into account all the different hardware manufactures and chip sets. lol. Every chip (even 1's made right after 1 another by the same manufacturer) will over clock differently. 2 things, at least for me that are constants are: stability and temps.
Start off slow and take baby steps.
Overclock and stability will change over time, what once was stable is not anymore.
The rule of thumb for ALL OVERCLOCKING IS: If you can not afford to replace it, don't do it.
says,"over clocking is like a drug, Just a little more, just 1000 more points in 3Dmark06, just 50 more FPS.". also says,"When will you be happy? Set a limit."Before you overclock anything get cooling under control and always turn all the fans up to 100%.
Snograt
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Start off slow and take baby steps.
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Stupid bloody bank holidays - can't get my fans and coolers 'til Tuesday.
Sethellington
im running at 55C CPU and 35C MOBO, like the others said - don't overclock!
zamial
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That sounds to me like the golden rule of overclocking. Shame you can't sticky a quote!
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If your system is only stable for 10 minutes or less what good is it?
Not directed at you Snog, but at everyone, If you smoke your system and come here and cry, I will laugh and flame you.
Snograt
You can't flame what's already been burnt 
Snograt
Double post time.
As I said above, I've ordered cooler, fans, thermal gunk and an air duster so I'm just waiting it out. In the meantime I've adjusted the system fans to run at 100% - noisy, but necessary.
"After" temps in bold.
Motherboard 42 °C (108 °F) 43 °C (109 °F)
CPU 53 °C (127 °F) 50 °C (122 °F)
CPU #1 / Core #1 70 °C (158 °F) 66 °C (151 °F)
CPU #1 / Core #2 68 °C (154 °F) 63 °C (145 °F)
CPU #1 / Core #3 63 °C (145 °F) 60 °C (140 °F)
CPU #1 / Core #4 67 °C (153 °F) 61 °C (142 °F)
MCP 62 °C (144 °F) 60 °C (140 °F)
GPU1: GPU 55 °C (131 °F) 55 °C (131 °F)
GPU1: GPU Diode 54 °C (129 °F) 55 °C (131 °F)
GPU1: GPU Memory 55 °C (131 °F) 55 °C (131 °F)
GPU1: GPU Ambient 50 °C (122 °F) 50 °C (122 °F)
GPU2: GPU 45 °C (113 °F) 45 °C (113 °F)
GPU2: GPU Diode 61 °C (142 °F) 61 °C (142 °F)
GPU2: GPU Memory 45 °C (113 °F) 45 °C (113 °F)
GPU2: GPU Ambient 43 °C (109 °F) 44 °C (111 °F)
Not a whole heap of difference. Where's that can o' air?
As I said above, I've ordered cooler, fans, thermal gunk and an air duster so I'm just waiting it out. In the meantime I've adjusted the system fans to run at 100% - noisy, but necessary.
"After" temps in bold.
Motherboard 42 °C (108 °F) 43 °C (109 °F)
CPU 53 °C (127 °F) 50 °C (122 °F)
CPU #1 / Core #1 70 °C (158 °F) 66 °C (151 °F)
CPU #1 / Core #2 68 °C (154 °F) 63 °C (145 °F)
CPU #1 / Core #3 63 °C (145 °F) 60 °C (140 °F)
CPU #1 / Core #4 67 °C (153 °F) 61 °C (142 °F)
MCP 62 °C (144 °F) 60 °C (140 °F)
GPU1: GPU 55 °C (131 °F) 55 °C (131 °F)
GPU1: GPU Diode 54 °C (129 °F) 55 °C (131 °F)
GPU1: GPU Memory 55 °C (131 °F) 55 °C (131 °F)
GPU1: GPU Ambient 50 °C (122 °F) 50 °C (122 °F)
GPU2: GPU 45 °C (113 °F) 45 °C (113 °F)
GPU2: GPU Diode 61 °C (142 °F) 61 °C (142 °F)
GPU2: GPU Memory 45 °C (113 °F) 45 °C (113 °F)
GPU2: GPU Ambient 43 °C (109 °F) 44 °C (111 °F)
Not a whole heap of difference. Where's that can o' air?
Lord Sojar
Snog, until your cooling supplies arrive, underclock your CPU, and lower the core voltage. That will prevent possible damage when playing GW or w/e.
Snograt
Damn, now I have to dig into the archives, find where someone told me what to alter, and change it back :/
Oh, I found it - way back in March. My system was delivered runnin 7x and I was advised to up it to 10x.
Back it goes
[Customary edit] Damn, according to this -http://www.frostytech.com/articlevie...id=2144&page=5 - the cooler I opted for is shit
Oh, I found it - way back in March. My system was delivered runnin 7x and I was advised to up it to 10x.
Back it goes
[Customary edit] Damn, according to this -http://www.frostytech.com/articlevie...id=2144&page=5 - the cooler I opted for is shit
Lord Sojar
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Damn, now I have to dig into the archives, find where someone told me what to alter, and change it back :/
Oh, I found it - way back in March. My system was delivered runnin 7x and I was advised to up it to 10x. Back it goes [Customary edit] Damn, according to this -http://www.frostytech.com/articlevie...id=2144&page=5 - the cooler I opted for is shit |
If I were you Snog, I would return it, and get this:
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showpr...t%20AM2/LGA775)
or this:
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showpr...odid=HS-009-SY
Lurid
The Kama Cross is fairly garbage. Look into the Xigmatek HDT-S1283 and / or Thermalright Ultra 120 Extreme.
I suggest you don't overclock until you fully understand what you are doing. Its nowhere near as dangerous as most people seem to think, but fooling around in a BIOs without knowing what is what is just stupid. Sorry, it just doesn't make sense. Its not like anything you're doing is overtly complicated, establishing a basic understanding of the principles / methods involved is crucial imho. Btw, (I didn't bother to read the whole thread) if it hasn't already been said, always overclock from the BIOs, non-multimeter voltage readings mean jack shit, and never underestimate the value of a quality powersupply. High wattage doesn't mean a good unit.
I suggest you don't overclock until you fully understand what you are doing. Its nowhere near as dangerous as most people seem to think, but fooling around in a BIOs without knowing what is what is just stupid. Sorry, it just doesn't make sense. Its not like anything you're doing is overtly complicated, establishing a basic understanding of the principles / methods involved is crucial imho. Btw, (I didn't bother to read the whole thread) if it hasn't already been said, always overclock from the BIOs, non-multimeter voltage readings mean jack shit, and never underestimate the value of a quality powersupply. High wattage doesn't mean a good unit.
Snograt
Thanks for your concern, Lurid.
You're right - I know stuff all about overclocking, aside from the basic theory. What I am doing, however, is getting advice from people in this very forum - people who's opinions I trust (not everyone - I do know who's who) - and not doing a damn thing without their step-by-step.
At this stage in the proceedings, I'm not even overclocking at all - I'm remedying a serious cooling deficiency that won't even allow my rig to run at stock without danger of component damage.
You're right - I know stuff all about overclocking, aside from the basic theory. What I am doing, however, is getting advice from people in this very forum - people who's opinions I trust (not everyone - I do know who's who) - and not doing a damn thing without their step-by-step.
At this stage in the proceedings, I'm not even overclocking at all - I'm remedying a serious cooling deficiency that won't even allow my rig to run at stock without danger of component damage.
Quaker
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For most users, you are correct, it isn't worth it. The apps that I run however, a 200MHz Overclock can reduce the time it takes the PC to run calculations by 5-6 minutes. You try running a closed gate S-NX7a Si/C rewrite scenario with a 2.5GHz dual core while I do that same scenario with 3.4GHz chip. I will finish about 7-9 minutes faster, and you have to run these scenarios in groups of 10, about 500x.
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If you are actually overclocking to do something worthwhile, overclocking may be worth it, but I'd be willing to bet that the extra cooling and other expenses would probably have paid for a faster cpu in the first place (or soon after).
At any rate, too many people who are into overclocking try to convince other people to do it, and far too often those people just end up with an unstable and/or fried system.
Lurid
To be honest overclocking the current generation hardware doesn't really add alot usually (Especially with the added costs). Simply put you aren't likely to notice the difference between (The exact same CPU) @ 2Ghz vs 2.5Ghz. Its just doing it because you can.
Personally I have a good bit of free time between work and school, so its a bit of an art and a challenge to eek out the last bits of performance. It also can be used to lengthen the longevity of older systems (Obviously not too old).
Its just like people spending hours on cable management. Is it useful? Yes. Is it practical? Usually not, lol. I do it, because I can. I won't argue or yell at someone for not doing it, but it can be a bit of a challenge and thus can be interesting.
Btw, Snog any idea what your ambient (Home temp, usually easily found) and case ambient are? I'd try remounting if you have any thermal paste handy.
Personally I have a good bit of free time between work and school, so its a bit of an art and a challenge to eek out the last bits of performance. It also can be used to lengthen the longevity of older systems (Obviously not too old).
Its just like people spending hours on cable management. Is it useful? Yes. Is it practical? Usually not, lol. I do it, because I can. I won't argue or yell at someone for not doing it, but it can be a bit of a challenge and thus can be interesting.
Btw, Snog any idea what your ambient (Home temp, usually easily found) and case ambient are? I'd try remounting if you have any thermal paste handy.
Admael
I second the Xigmatek HDT-S1283 Rifle.
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To be honest overclocking the current generation hardware doesn't really add alot usually (Especially with the added costs). Simply put you aren't likely to notice the difference between (The exact same CPU) @ 2Ghz vs 2.5Ghz. Its just doing it because you can.
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Admael
Depends on the type of overclocking.
I'm sure if Snograt overclocks at the FSB level, there will DEFINITELY be performance differences overall.
I'm sure if Snograt overclocks at the FSB level, there will DEFINITELY be performance differences overall.