Hi all!
Note: Before anything, this is not an invincible build, a "hey it's perfect" build nor a "100% success" build. This is just suggestions and may not work.
While doing some things with my ele in raptor cave, i just though about other ways to do this cave for my other chars (my main, a ranger for example). I though this:
[skill]Mist Form[/skill][skill]Glyph of Concentration[/skill][skill]Sliver Armor[/skill]
Atts: 12 Earth, 12 Water.
With this skills you can almost aggro all the cave or at least the group in the middle + Rekoff group and it's just 25 energy. Even a "sample" warrior with a staff/+5 weapon cand handle it :P.
I have done this with my Ranger and my necro, and in my tests I got about 1/2 of succesfully runs (meaning I killed Rekoff).
Of course there are some "bugs" in this build:
- You may not target Rekoff with sliver armor... this is an epic fail :P
- You may die if Rekoff's hit you with low hp. Thats not my fault rofl.
- You may get poor drops (haha, no one can save you from this!)
- You may not be able to lure em all :'(.
- If using Air of superiority, you may not get a needed recharge.
Here are some solutions:
- Using air of superiority (pve-only asuran skill) gives you some more time and sometimes.. a full skills recharge. If you have succesfully killed Rekoff, then this is a 3st opportunity to kill :P.
- Maybe when you are finished with Rekoff's group, you are lucky and with the second skills recharge you can lure the rest of the cave.. depends on you , lol.
- Mindbender can help if you dont have a primary profession running skill. I dunno as i still havent gone to get it.
The procedure:
· Exit Rata Sum.
· Do the /resign trick (optional)
· Pick Asuran blessing.
· Run to the cave entrance
· Target Rekoff (just look while pressing Ctrl key)
· Cast the skills in the order I put until Sliver armor (dont cast it)
· Run till rekoff luring as many raptor's as possible but having attention on the glyph duration. This is the most important part. No glyph on you = interrupted = no-no to farm.
· Give a kiss to rekoff and cast sliver armor.
· Re-cast Glyph + Myst form + Sliver if you can (or if you have energy! :P)
And Here are some samples (not template codes yet, sorry). Just ideas, using more pve-only skills like mentionead above may help a lot, but i will put the more non pve-only skills as possible ^^. I will just put the "needed" skills:
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Ranger:
[skill]Stoneflesh Aura[/skill][skill]Stone Striker[/skill][Skill]Storm's Embrace[/skill][skill]Mist Form[/skill][skill]Glyph of Concentration[/skill][skill]Sliver Armor[/skill]
Or:
[skill]Stoneflesh Aura[/skill][skill]Stone Striker[/skill][skill]Armor of Mist[/skill][skill]Mist Form[/skill][skill]Glyph of Concentration[/skill][skill]Sliver Armor[/skill]
Or:
[build=OgYTk4FfHydQZgdAVQ4AukHKXEA] (thanks to Voodoo Rage)
Stone striker is not needed, but being a ranger... armor vs elements help.
Video
Necro(mancer)
[skill]Stoneflesh Aura[/skill][skill]Armor of Mist[/skill][skill]Mist Form[/skill][skill]Glyph of Concentration[/skill][skill]Sliver Armor[/skill]
[HM Raptor Farmer;OAZDYTyLTuDfVJD8QsD5ixlwlA] (thanks to Fuzzy Taco)
Mesmer
[skill]Stoneflesh Aura[/skill][skill]Armor of Mist[/skill][skill]Mist Form[/skill][skill]Glyph of Concentration[/skill][skill]Sliver Armor[/skill]
Or:
[build=OQZTAyAPSSoqU4rKukHqVwEICA] (alternative, thanks to Sethellington)
Monk
[skill]Stoneflesh Aura[/skill][skill]Armor of Mist[/skill][skill]Mist Form[/skill][skill]Glyph of Concentration[/skill][skill]Sliver Armor[/skill]
Assassin
[skill]Stoneflesh Aura[/skill][skill]Armor of Mist[/skill][skill]Mist Form[/skill][skill]Glyph of Concentration[/skill][skill]Sliver Armor[/skill]
And/or any assassin native stances
[build prof=A/E earth=12 water=12 shadow=3][stoneflesh aura][armor of mist][death's charge][glyph of concentration][mist form][sliver armor][ebon battle standard of honor][air of superiority][/build] (thanks to Super Igor)
Dervish
[skill]Stoneflesh Aura[/skill][skill]Armor of Mist[/skill][skill]Mist Form[/skill][skill]Glyph of Concentration[/skill][skill]Sliver Armor[/skill]
Maybe you like to use [Skill]Signet of Mystic Speed[/Skill] instead my suggestion. Up to you.
Warrior
[skill]Armor of Mist[/skill][skill]Mist Form[/skill][skill]Glyph of Concentration[/skill][skill]Sliver Armor[/skill]
This sums about 35 energy. "Standard" 20 energy warrior + 15en Staff will do the job. Radiant mods may help too. You Can change the running skill for other warrior native stance, of course.
Paragon
[skill]Armor of Mist[/skill][skill]Mist Form[/skill][skill]Glyph of Concentration[/skill][skill]Sliver Armor[/skill]
Same as warrior. But i recommend the running skill listed.
Ritualist
[skill]Stoneflesh Aura[/skill][skill]Armor of Mist[/skill][skill]Mist Form[/skill][skill]Glyph of Concentration[/skill][skill]Sliver Armor[/skill]
Ele
I dunno how to do this with ele... rofl! Seriously, pvxwiki build works better for ele.
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Note: Other builds to farm this with Ele, Assa, Mesmer, Warrior and Ranger, can be found at Sethellington's post on this thread: Go seek builds!
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Screenies showing it working:
(me, as a Ranger)
(Sethellington,as a Necro)
Let the flame begin! :P
/wave to all
Any/E solo Raptor HM Farm (could be)
ragnagard
cellardweller
mist form doesn't stop you from being interrupted.
ragnagard
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Originally Posted by cellardweller
mist form doesn't stop you from being interrupted.
If you carefully read the post (as you didnt), you will find that most part is casted "safelly" on the cave entrance AND one of the skills is Glyph of concentration, which description reads:
"For 15 seconds, your next 2 spells cannot be interrupted and ignore the effects of being Dazed."
I use Mist form as the first, sliver being the 2nd.
"For 15 seconds, your next 2 spells cannot be interrupted and ignore the effects of being Dazed."
I use Mist form as the first, sliver being the 2nd.
cellardweller
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Originally Posted by ragnagard
If you carefully read the post (as you didnt), you will find that most part is casted "safelly" on the cave entrance AND one of the skills is Glyph of concentration, which description reads:
"For 15 seconds, your next 2 spells cannot be interrupted and ignore the effects of being Dazed."
I use Mist form as the first, sliver being the 2nd. how do you propose stopping glyph from being interrupted for your subsquent casts?
"For 15 seconds, your next 2 spells cannot be interrupted and ignore the effects of being Dazed."
I use Mist form as the first, sliver being the 2nd. how do you propose stopping glyph from being interrupted for your subsquent casts?
Hodgie
looks good, ill have a try of them myself 
*some people dont listen hehehe*
*some people dont listen hehehe*
ragnagard
Intention is to do it at the first try, but in my tests, i didnt have any trouble to recast the skills. Sliver armor evade % must have helped :P.
As you' have "all" the raptors around you they will interrupt you at the same time (almost). Just attacking while sliver does its job and/or using another skill first will do the job.
Remember that i didnt use the 8 slots, some profs have 2 or more free slots to use ^^.
Disrupting Stab has 10 sec recharge, more than the time you need to recast the 3 skills, so .. there it is :P.
I like your critics
As you' have "all" the raptors around you they will interrupt you at the same time (almost). Just attacking while sliver does its job and/or using another skill first will do the job.
Remember that i didnt use the 8 slots, some profs have 2 or more free slots to use ^^.
Disrupting Stab has 10 sec recharge, more than the time you need to recast the 3 skills, so .. there it is :P.
I like your critics
absolutcrobi
I tried running that cave as E/me using the mantra that prevents interruption but i have found that using channeling, that mantra and an all earth build is the best. Use all geomancers insignias stone striker and stoneflesh aura to reduce the dmg. Use mental block(asuran) then what ever your combo with keep sliver armour up as much as possible.
pixie the monk
wouldn't a visage be epic in raptor cave for any prof ?
never bothered to try it tho because my assa farms em just fine..
never bothered to try it tho because my assa farms em just fine..
Abonai Laguna
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Originally Posted by pixie the monk
wouldn't a visage be epic in raptor cave for any prof ?
never bothered to try it tho because my assa farms em just fine.. visage=killing guild wars in raptor cave
use it someday
ITS SOOO FUNNY
never bothered to try it tho because my assa farms em just fine.. visage=killing guild wars in raptor cave
use it someday
ITS SOOO FUNNY
Mr.Kotte
Visage VS raptors in HM = error 005/007
PS: Visages doesnt activate through [mist form]
PS: Visages doesnt activate through [mist form]
Sethellington
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Originally Posted by Mr.Kotte
Visage VS raptors in HM = error 005/007
lol, win the thread.
Being
For ranger adding [skill]serpents quickness[/skill] before casting spells might help. I might test this a bit later.
monk of the godss
I'm guessing you got this build from the original ele mist form build for raptors on pvxwiki with swiftness>with unlimited mist form?
Sethellington
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Originally Posted by Mr.Kotte
Visage VS raptors in HM = error 005/007
PS: Visages doesnt activate through [mist form]
less win 
adfasd
PS: Visages doesnt activate through [mist form]
less win adfasd
Sethellington
ok, so on topic. i tried it (costing me 2 eles tomes -.-)
so yeah i guess it works, you have to be lucky with air of superiority benefits. so activate yuor speed boost, the glyph, then aggro everything, then use mist form and sliver armour. use air of superiority. hoep stuff recharges. if stuff doesn't recharge in time, try to get in another glyph and follow up with stoneflesh aura + mental block for the down time.
so yeah i guess it works, you have to be lucky with air of superiority benefits. so activate yuor speed boost, the glyph, then aggro everything, then use mist form and sliver armour. use air of superiority. hoep stuff recharges. if stuff doesn't recharge in time, try to get in another glyph and follow up with stoneflesh aura + mental block for the down time.
ragnagard
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Originally Posted by monk of the godss
I'm guessing you got this build from the original ele mist form build for raptors on pvxwiki with swiftness>with unlimited mist form?
err.. what? I just though about what Ele skill could prevent damage to my ranger (didnt told that?). If I want to use sliver Ranger/ele has only one elite designed to this zone. And of course E/A works better than E/x here lol.
I think we should discuss the "other than ele" professions, as ele and/or warrior were able to farm this already :P.
And about visage.... cannot be used with sliver unless you'r an ele lol.
EDIT: of course that it works! Here is a Sshot of my build running on my ranger (ok ok, build was on a BETA stage :P):
I think we should discuss the "other than ele" professions, as ele and/or warrior were able to farm this already :P.
And about visage.... cannot be used with sliver unless you'r an ele lol.
EDIT: of course that it works! Here is a Sshot of my build running on my ranger (ok ok, build was on a BETA stage :P):
Adja1005
PvXWiki has a decent R/Ele build utilising the elite skill Escape and Sliver Armour and i find it works really well for clearing the entire cave of raptors. But this looks like a good build too, i'll have to give it a shot
Marverick
How are you going to recast GoC without getting it interrupted?
Sin AI doesn't spam attacks on recharge so you can't really predict when they use it... and with an entire cave's worth of aggro you can't reliably recast it...
Sin AI doesn't spam attacks on recharge so you can't really predict when they use it... and with an entire cave's worth of aggro you can't reliably recast it...
ragnagard
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Originally Posted by Marverick
How are you going to recast GoC without getting it interrupted?
Sin AI doesn't spam attacks on recharge so you can't really predict when they use it... and with an entire cave's worth of aggro you can't reliably recast it... Believe me or try it :P.
I use glyph,form, sliver, air of superiority, ebon standard of honor and sometimes they interrupt the last one instead a glyph recast. Maybe using another skill first or even attacking. Never have problems using the glyph again. My main problem is not getting the correct reward from air of sup.
I think that i should have posted a video too.....
Sin AI doesn't spam attacks on recharge so you can't really predict when they use it... and with an entire cave's worth of aggro you can't reliably recast it... Believe me or try it :P.
I use glyph,form, sliver, air of superiority, ebon standard of honor and sometimes they interrupt the last one instead a glyph recast. Maybe using another skill first or even attacking. Never have problems using the glyph again. My main problem is not getting the correct reward from air of sup.
I think that i should have posted a video too.....
distilledwill
Try [[Ebon Battle Standard Of Honor] and [[Air Of Superiority]. When combined with Sliver Armour theyre pretty powerful.
Fuzzy Taco
i gave it a go to get ready for this weekend, and it works beautifully.
i ran this:
[HM Raptor Farmer;OAZDYTyLTuDfVJD8QsD5ixlwlA]
only small problem is killing the last one or two, but it's no big deal if you can kill everything else. i went Armor - Stone - Mental - Glyph - aggro - Mist - Sliver - Air - Standard (with Glyph if you get AoS) etc. i'm thinking sig of Sorrow, perhaps?
i ran this:
[HM Raptor Farmer;OAZDYTyLTuDfVJD8QsD5ixlwlA]
only small problem is killing the last one or two, but it's no big deal if you can kill everything else. i went Armor - Stone - Mental - Glyph - aggro - Mist - Sliver - Air - Standard (with Glyph if you get AoS) etc. i'm thinking sig of Sorrow, perhaps?
Being
Just a heads up; Glyph of Concentration is going to be nerfed again to 1 spell.
Fuzzy Taco
if so, hopefully not until after this weekend. even then, i'd bet that PvP/PvE split will give it some love.
ragnagard
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Originally Posted by Fuzzy Taco
... thanks! at least someone tried it, lol.
Even with glyph nerfed to 1 spell, you can still get 1 casting of mist form at the entrance and then use glyph for sliver, giving you, about the same 1st round of skills. Of course, we hope that the glyph remains like it is.
Here it is, for non-believers. Its a video recorded now (i mean without the processing time lol), using one ranger variant.
Maybe i am lucky but i counted 5 times casting glyph (counting the first at the entrance)... so.. the problem is...? :P
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEbTXMGv8Rs
I didnt aggro all the cave but, you get the idea (i suppose
).PD: yeah i know that the song is "I fail" which is a definition of irony, rofl
PD2: updated 1st post with video, on ranger
Fuzzy Taco
disregard my other post, i actually read for once and figured out that our beloved Glyph is nerfed. this should still work, though:
[x/E HM Raptors;OAZDYTyLTuDxlJDsDoC8Qwl5iA]
Magnetic = safe cast of either Glyph or Sliver, hopefully.
[x/E HM Raptors;OAZDYTyLTuDxlJDsDoC8Qwl5iA]
Magnetic = safe cast of either Glyph or Sliver, hopefully.
ragnagard
Yup,
According to the new Dev-update:
"Glyph of Concentration: decreased number of spells that cannot be interrupted to 1."
That's for today, 22 may.
So this builds are going to be ubernerfed or we must update with something like your build above :P.
I like magnetic aura because of the 5 energy req, but... still have troubles.
A new order could be:
Armor of mist -> stoneflesh aura -> mist form -> glyph -> sliver -> air of superiority ->(hoping they recharge) -> glyph -> sliver, magnetic aura -> mist form.
Putting coal to the thinking machine....! :P
According to the new Dev-update:
"Glyph of Concentration: decreased number of spells that cannot be interrupted to 1."
That's for today, 22 may.
So this builds are going to be ubernerfed or we must update with something like your build above :P.
I like magnetic aura because of the 5 energy req, but... still have troubles
.A new order could be:
Armor of mist -> stoneflesh aura -> mist form -> glyph -> sliver -> air of superiority ->(hoping they recharge) -> glyph -> sliver, magnetic aura -> mist form.
Putting coal to the thinking machine....! :P
blurmedia
Wasn't that PvP only?
Fuzzy Taco
Glyph of Conc's change was for both PvP and PvE.
as long as you work fast, the Magnetic build i posted will work rather well. Stoneflesh is rather unneeded, because you get hit so little where it isn't particularly worth a skillslot. simply get hit once or twice while aggroing to keep up Mental Block, and Magnetic's a tough interrupt, even for them. of course, there are times where you'll get unlucky and they'll get Magnetic or Sliver, or you won't get a single recharge from Air, but the successful runs can and will outweigh the failed ones.
as long as you work fast, the Magnetic build i posted will work rather well. Stoneflesh is rather unneeded, because you get hit so little where it isn't particularly worth a skillslot. simply get hit once or twice while aggroing to keep up Mental Block, and Magnetic's a tough interrupt, even for them. of course, there are times where you'll get unlucky and they'll get Magnetic or Sliver, or you won't get a single recharge from Air, but the successful runs can and will outweigh the failed ones.
Super Igor
Kudos to you ragnagard! Could finally get hold of those good weekend lockpick events!
Btw, you dont fave Assassin spsific build...like one Taco made for nec. This what I am running:
[build prof=A/E earth=12 water=12 shadow=3][stoneflesh aura][armor of mist][death's charge][glyph of concentration][mist form][sliver armor][ebon battle standard of honor][air of superiority][/build]
Aggro everything, shadow step to Reckoff so sliver targets her. ^^
Ehm, maybe this will do. Trying to halp. ^^
Btw, you dont fave Assassin spsific build...like one Taco made for nec. This what I am running:
[build prof=A/E earth=12 water=12 shadow=3][stoneflesh aura][armor of mist][death's charge][glyph of concentration][mist form][sliver armor][ebon battle standard of honor][air of superiority][/build]
Aggro everything, shadow step to Reckoff so sliver targets her. ^^
Ehm, maybe this will do. Trying to halp. ^^
Sethellington
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Originally Posted by ragnagard
Even with glyph nerfed to 1 spell, you can still get 1 casting of mist form at the entrance and then use glyph for sliver, giving you, about the same 1st round of skills. Of course, we hope that the glyph remains like it is.
Here it is, for non-believers. Its a video recorded now (i mean without the processing time lol), using one ranger variant.
Maybe i am lucky but i counted 5 times casting glyph (counting the first at the entrance)... so.. the problem is...? :P
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEbTXMGv8Rs
I didnt aggro all the cave but, you get the idea (i suppose
).PD: yeah i know that the song is "I fail" which is a definition of irony, rofl
PD2: updated 1st post with video, on ranger errr, excuse me? amphasis on your first line. Didn't you read my reply? I DID try it, even put in a screenie... Taco was using the exact build I used (adding a variant) that i already verfied works. Sometimes, farming threads confuse me....
ragnagard
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Originally Posted by Sethellington
I even post after you with another screenie. My mind was so busy thinking about posting the video that I forgot you :P. Sorry again!!!
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Originally Posted by Super Igor
Kudos to you ragnagard! Could finally get hold of those good weekend lockpick events!
Btw, you dont fave Assassin spsific build...like one Taco made for nec. This what I am running: [build prof=A/E earth=12 water=12 shadow=3][stoneflesh aura][armor of mist][death's charge][glyph of concentration][mist form][sliver armor][ebon battle standard of honor][air of superiority][/build] Aggro everything, shadow step to Reckoff so sliver targets her. ^^ Ehm, maybe this will do. Trying to halp. ^^ NP! maybe a little change because of glyph nerfing. But it may rock! Anyway... after today's update we should update and prepare the builds for this weekend :P. PD: updating 1st post
Introverted Dimensions
Is there any substitute to Sliver Armor? I don't have factions.
DarkNecrid
Nope, Sliver Armor is what makes it work.
Sethellington
dw ragnadarg. thing is, i don't really find raptors worth farming anymore, when i first farmed them i'd get between 1-4 golds every run, and i could zone and re run in like 1:30 - 2 mins, so it was good profit. but no i don't get golds at all tbh. just every now and then like 1 in 5 runs, drop rate has diminished loads.
ragnagard
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Originally Posted by Sethellington
dw ragnadarg. thing is, i don't really find raptors worth farming anymore, when i first farmed them i'd get between 1-4 golds every run, and i could zone and re run in like 1:30 - 2 mins, so it was good profit. but no i don't get golds at all tbh. just every now and then like 1 in 5 runs, drop rate has diminished loads.
I feel the same, but i see some need of build for non ele/assa/warrior chars. Even with the lack of drop, you still got asuran points. My ele got his R6 there :P.
By the way... what farm worth nowadays?
Mr. Icecube
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Originally Posted by Fuzzy Taco
disregard my other post, i actually read for once and figured out that our beloved Glyph is nerfed. this should still work, though:
[x/E HM Raptors;OAZDYTyLTuDxlJDsDoC8Qwl5iA] Magnetic = safe cast of either Glyph or Sliver, hopefully. I'm trying this one on my Necro, but I can't seem to kill them all. Most of the time I can kill only 5. I think I'm just being unlucky with Air I cast the skills in a 1-8 sequence, so I don't think I'm doing anything wrong here.
Fuzzy Taco
Are you making an effort to kill the boss first? if you kill him relatively quickly, you should be covered. you're precasting 1, 2, and 3, right? then you try to cast glyph under Magnetic? (if that fails, you try for Sliver under Magnetic + Mental Block.) that's about all the advice i can offer - there's a couple different variations you can use, like the one Seth posted - if mine isn't working for you, i'm sure another variant will.
Mr. Icecube
I cast 1,2,3 -> agro -> mist form -> magnetic -> sliver -> air -> standard.
And i try to recast what I can. About the boss, i realy don't know how i should target the boss first... And if he's targeted, he runs away
Voodoo Rage
I really like this Mist Form idea for raptor farming. It seems to be more predictable than the Stone Striker build. Here's what seems to work for me:
[build=OgYTk4FfHydQZgdAVQ4AukHKXEA] Use a 20% enchanting something to give you more time on the running skill. Cast Armor of Mist and Glyph of Sacrifice (1&2) in mouth of cave and run in and aggro all the raptors. Watch your Glyph carefully, when it starts to blink, go ahead and cast your Mist Form (3). You probably won't have made it far enough to aggro the boss mob, so go ahead and walk in and aggro the Broodmother. This was killing me because they would always interrupt sliver, so I added the dual blocking skills which seems to protect against any sort of interrupt (it happens extremely rarely). I assume that whirling defense and magnetic aura are cumulative because when I only use one of them I get interrupted A LOT. You can then hit the rest of your skill bar (Air of Superiority, Sliver Armor, and EBSOH) and recharge Mist as needed. They never seem to do any damage to me, so I just run all radiant and attunement. Be sure to hold aggro on the Broodmother or she will run away. Another trick you can do is that as soon as you talk to the Weapon Krewe Asuran is to run far to the right so you can see the red dots of the raptor nestlings on your radar (through the wall, before you go into the cave). You can then tab select the Broodmother beforehand so that you aren't fumbling around trying to click on her when you are doing the run. Failures are very rare. Causes of major failure: #1 Rubber banding running through cave (don't bump into anything), #2 Interrupted sliver (still happens, but very rarely), #3 Bad angorodon spawn (nothing you can do about that, rezone). Even if Air of Superiority doesn't give you a recharge, you will get a recharge for killing the Broodmother. Worst case, you will still get 25 kills and kill the boss. Please critique my build if you have improvements. Overall, I think the mist form is highly more predictable than this build (thanks for the thread!): [build=OgYSk4LToCbV3lAHoGwl8Q5i]
ragnagard
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Originally Posted by Mr. Icecube
And i try to recast what I can. About the boss, i realy don't know how i should target the boss first... And if he's targeted, he runs away |
^^. Dont happens with melee weapons, of course.. you will be bodyblocked and cant hit her, so sliver will end.. as your life.
Quote: Originally Posted by Voodoo Rage I really like this Mist Form idea for raptor farming. It seems to be more predictable than the Stone Striker build. Here's what seems to work for me:
[build=OgYTk4FfHydQZgdAVQ4AukHKXEA]
Use a 20% enchanting something to give you more time on the running skill.
... Thanks for helping with more templates.. Looks like this kind of things will help now with our beloved (and nerfed) glyph.
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Originally Posted by Voodoo Rage
Another trick you can do is ...
I even did that on my video! lol. trick looks well known :P
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