This is how you fix your game. (LONG comprehensive update)

What I see is this:

You buffed other stuff so much that Ursan is obsolete.

Oh, so you want to kill PvP and make PvE even easier? No. GTFO. You made assassins in PvE almost gods. And the 60 second recharge? NONONONONONO on the shadowsteps. Assassins are squishies, easily countered, so they NEED shadowsteps without the shadowstep nerf.

those skill changes are baaad

there are to many to comment on, but basically youve nerfed some skills because they are overpowered, then buffed other so their even more overpowered than the ones you nerfed!

Assassins, Paragons and Dervs in PvP should die. And so should shadowstepping.

Why? What did they bring to us other than ruining positioning (Shadowsteps), and imba weapons. (Scythes, Spears)

*cringes*

please god no!

I think people are missing the part where I mentioned Hard Mode being completely adjusted. The idea was that NM would be easy/easier, while Hard Mode would still be a challenge. Yes, the skills have been adjusted and that makes it look easy, but monsters would all be running skills that compliment each other, including skills from other campaigns if needed. Ideally, monsters in every area would be like the jade brotherhood, except even more built for teamwork, and everywhere. A fulfilling challenge of enemies that require actual teamwork to beat. The jade brotherhood are probably the best PvE team of monsters, so take that and expand it for HM.

They wouldn't be dead at all. You can still run the AoD HOTO bar to good effect now (I saw people running it on obs!), people just opt to run slightly broken stuff in its place. I'm not saying its a perfect balance, they obviously could use some buffs to promote bar options besides just AoD HOTO in my balance, but, its there.

I know, the problem with this is that anything I would buff would need to be careful because of monsters as well, and while mesmer enemies would obviously need to all be adjusted from this balance, Rits aren't just 1 enemy, they're a bunch thank to spirits. And that's a bit harder to do. I might update it with some ideas later on though.

Well it won't with that attitude.

Ya, like I said, AI changes too. (in HM.)

Maybe so......

Uh...

You obviously don't understand why Shadowsteps, especially the ones I nerfed, are broken, and why Assassins and Dervishes are bad for the game right now. I specifically targeted the gimmicky things, namely Sway, Shadowsteps, and Dervsmite, and fixed some defense hitting. PvE wouldn't be easier because again in HM the monsters would be completely redone to balance this. The idea was to make PvE more ACTIONY and still keeping it balanced even if its pretty CRAZY, and I nerfed Ursan to make sure PUGs would go away from it, and get back into actually building skill bars. Assassins are just fine this way, and there's still [Aura of Displacement] if they're gonna shadowstep. The shadowstep changes prevent secondaries from abusing them, and no secondary is gonna waste their elite on a SS.

edit: Also I see your an A/D so you're probably just whining because I nerfed your SUPER NOT BALANCED A/D build but I don't really see how this would kill PvP, by removing 3 of the most problematic things in the game right now, and adding a bunch of stuff that would not only help people get UAX, but improve observer a lot, add new fun modes (Costume Brawl was REALLY good.), etc.

Basically the ones i nerfed I nerfed because they either a) don't flow with other skills very well (Pain Inverter is just free 12389123890123 damage) or because they overshadow the other options quite a ton. The ones I buffed are mostly player skills, one that players are going to build a skill bar with, and make the bar a bunch of skills that are conducive with each other. Some things were buffed for farmers, some things were buffed for the random 8 skill bar people we all know and hate, and a majority of it was buffed because it flows well with a bunch of other stuff or gives a new option which can lead to other (not-buffed) skills seeing play because of those options.

Again, the monsters in HM would be completely all changed to be balanced with these changes, so it wouldn't be ezzzz mode. Especially the Elite areas, they'd actually be a challenge, like DoA used to be.

Thanks for the comments, again.

I like the idea for new realms for those gods that got neglected. It wouldn't surprise me to see them in GW2

As to the first, there will always be very clever people who will find ways to make these places "farmable" For the second, Why? it seems rather oxymoronic ot say these areas need to be tougher when you also suggest so many BUFFs to so many skills.

Ok, whatever.

NO, ABSOLUTELY NOT! (I can see the elitism already! "LFM for UW - R10 Ursan + R** Favor only!

Oh, wouldn't that be nice! Sign me up!

Nah, there are plenty of methods for sorting out cartographer spots needed and it would be a royal pain looking for that last tiny piece just to spawn a chest - not worth the effort.

Ummm Whose skill bars? If you're suggesting better AI, then I'm all for that.

More end-game content? OK

Sorry, Pre-searing is a tutorial area. And as such, it has served its purpose very well for 3 years. A-Net has better things to do than cater to a handful (relatively speaking) of people who want an easier way to get LDoA.

Wishful thinking! Hope to see it in GW2.

As far as I'm concerned, there's too many things wrong with the skill changes to even comment on.

At first it might sound like a good idea if players are more powerful, but the monsters will also massively profit from all these buffs. In the end that will make the game harder, since there is far more pressure on the monks. It will lead to even more people trying "to play it safe" resorting to more obsidian tanking and more Ursan usage.

The only thing worth mentioning was the chests for vanquishing and whatever else got chests that I wasn't paying attention to. Somebody should make a separate suggestion thread for that because I don't care enough to.

How does seperating the 2 make it harder to get into PvP?
Do you mean its harder for you to ENJOY pvp or harder to get into groups.
If its the second then thats just plain stupid. Seperating the PvE and PvP skills has no impact on finding groups. If its the first then thats your problem for alot of people it makes it better PvP players can have all the balance they need without affecting all the PvE players.
They JUST buffed SF and already someone trying to Destroy it.
The whole reason they buffed it for PvE is that PvE players WANT it buffed for farming. Its fine the way it is.
Leave it seperated.


To most of your mesmer changes and to ALL of the PvP assassin changes...just no.
the only idea of yours that was even remotely good was the Chests for vanquishing.

Need to memorize more skill differences.

That's a crap reason to keep it. It's a skilless skill for farming, I buffed stuff for farming that requires skill. Let's move away from skillless abilities, kk?

Wow thats some good backup there....except the mesmer changes would make them more "active" in PUGs, Shadowsteps are broken because they remove the need for proper positioning, SA is broken in 4v4, etc.

Farming doesn't require skill anyway, does it?

That doesnt explain how its harder to get into PvP.
and you dont need to memorize anything you get spammed with text saying everything thats been changed for PvP skills.

Hate to break it to you but PvE doesnt take skill anyways so to keep away from "skilless"abilities we would have to abolish PvE altogether.
PvE LIKES the easy to use skills because they want the easiest way to farm.
Nothing wrong with that and it doesnt hurt you any.
If you dont like SF the way it is dont use it simple as that.

E-Surge and E-Burn 5e and 10s recharge? so you want to basically break monks right? They already do enough E-Denial as it is.
Why do you think its such a huge part of GvG.
Assassin need the shadowsteps without them for the most part they're not much use.
What im seeing here is you get owned alot by shadowstepping assassins so want to nerf them.
Also 4v4 really doesnt matter.
They dont really care about balancing for RA/TA/HB
Its GvG/HA that are the important ones.
So lets move away from PvP that doesnt matter "kk?"


Edit:
Beat me to it lol.

Requires a bit more without a single skill making you actually invincible to 90% of the skills in the game.

yes it does, now you have to memorize another copy of the skill, so some things your used to aren't gonna be the same. there's a feel for these things, and now your LoD isn't as uber or heals for as much NOOO.

This is a horrible argument. I play PvP, you honestly expect me to be willing to gimp myself? Only horrible players who can't adapt do that, or people who want a challenge. I like a challenge, but I like a challenge by the rules of the game. If the game says I should use SF to farm easily, then I'm gonna do it. I might not like it, but I'll do it.

ok well...those were PvE only changes.....and enemy NPC monks have (just like every NPC) 100+ energy with 6+ energy regeneration, so....

not really? I heard [Aura of Displacement] was gud. Also Assassins would still kill stuff and be able to get away. Maybe they won't have gimmick builds that instagib everything but I think everyone who matters can live with that.

lol.

yeah it's not like Shadowsteps remove the skill that is position and positioning yourself, nor removing a foes kiting ability since they can kite all the frack they want you'll be right there. nope sure don't...

Also 4v4 doesn't matter but it's a good change, even for 8v8.

Though I question the importance of HA...best you can do for it is what I did, which is nerf the huge gimmick slightly, tho people aren't just running the scythe dervs there either soooo~

I think your nerf to shadowsteps was not the best for a generalized nerf. Assassins using Shadowsteps isn't the big problem anyway, its dervish and warrior classes that make Shadowstepping ridiculous. The only way I see sin broken with Shadowstepping is when they essentially move half a map to pass a wall, so I think LOS is needed.

Also, the scythe needs a mechanic for how scythe attacks work, like how adren keeps warriors honest. I decided to goof around in RA one day, made a Avatar of Lyssa build with no deep wound skill, just wanted to play around with the scythe. I was getting 2-3 hit kills with this build, and this is without a deep wound. Granted, I had extra damage from the form, but even when I wasn't using it, 3 hits would be GG. A normal crit is about 110-130 on AR 60. So, in its current form, the scythe is probably the most imbalanced weapon in the game.

I like how you made PvE ridiculously easy, and made PvP ridiculously not fun, grats

How did I make PvP "ridiculously not fun"?

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just because a profession is broken, doesn't mean you should then set it on fire and piss on it >_>

farming is not a challenge no matter what build you use unless you purposely use a build that used to challenge you.
No it really doesnt. You do NOT have to memorize a skill. Every time you load the skill it flashes in plain english( or any other language the game is set for)
That x skill has been changed.
If you dont see that thats your problem.
Again your problem. You keep stating that you like a challenge so dont use SF and use a build that gives you a challenge.Its YOUR choice on what build YOU use not ours. No one is forcing you to use it.
AoD is fine but there are much better elites and your suggestions prevent using any of them because you have to bring AoD just to shadowstep.
Assassins arent even the main problem in GvG so why destroy them?
Youre right shadowstepping doesnt remove ones ability to kite thats part of my point.
Why nerf them if they really arent that powerful? Kinda contradicting yourself there.
Thats a matter of opinion. Mostly yours.
From what ive been reading very few people think your nerfs are a good idea.
HA used to be more important before the lame change that requires titles for favor but its still more important then 4v4 by far.
And you will never be able to nerf gimmicks.
People will just find a new gimmick and run with it.

Luv all the non-skills related changes, hate most of the skills related changes because they become crap, or imba theres no middle ground.

Making every class a semi imbagon doesnt remove the problem of imbagon, just renames it to imbaX.

Take away loving the Vanquisher's Chest and I'm 100% completely with Kook.

BTW my main is a PvE Mesmer and I wouldn't really like most of the changes for him. Trust me, I appreciate the Mesmer love because it's rare and far between, but I'd rather not play with people who don't understand what he can do in PvE anyway

Although I would love to see [power flux] give you the 2 energy regen that your opponent loses maybe instead of 4 degen on him, kind of like an energy/interrupt version of [life transfer]. Probably would have to raise the recharge though.

First, I must say, wow to the time it took to do this.

About the realm of Kormir, one exists, its called the Domain of Anguish *still very effected by Abaddon and Mmallyx*

I like the Favor of the Gods title idea, as that is not really grindable and cannot be bought. I like the vanquisher chest idea, although not needed, but the reward for vanquishing SHOULD be increased. Triple the amount of gold? *and not some cheesy weekend event for that*. I also like the cartographer chest and % ideas.

Also like the quest idea, however, change the EotN place to get the quests to the Scything pool, for Factions, I think Master Togo in Tahnakai Temple is better, and for Nightfall, maybe add another Statue to Kormir and have that avatar give the quests. Dragon statue doesn't fit with NF and it would be easier to give existing NPCs the quests.

The other non-skill ideas I agree with as well. I see nothing wrong with them.

Some skills I disagree with, some I agree with. It's about half and half and I'm too lazy right now to list all of those I disagree with. I will say that changing all those skills to how you say will change GW, for better or worse, and would not be hell if they all changed like that.

One skill that seems too overpowered with your idea, is Avatar of Grenth, I'd rather see it returned to how it was originally *removed enchantments per hit*. There are other skills I disagree with, but they are too numerous for me to sort through again.

Some of the changes you have suggested could completely ruin the current meta.

No that would be a horrible decision to make.

Well, thanks for remembering what this forum used to be like.
But some ideas are kind of an absurd.

If only Anet would actually listen to its community...

Avatar of Grenth is unblockable for enchanted foes, that being the ONLY effect. You're change says to make it unblockable altogether...To me, that makes no sense.

So that is your perfect GW Necrid? Looks nice.
By the way, that thread is a blessing, really a pretty good idea you had there NEcrid. The real GW looks much better after seeing your version.

Back on topic, you are forgetting they are focussing on GW2 and to quote someone : "90% of the ideas are overpowered" 4% are unneeded and 3% unrealistic (caugh! unfarmable elite areas! caugh!).

oic.

So I made it ridiculously not fun (as in, for everyone) because you're not willing to adapt to your class having a mechanic that is broken.

kk then.

I didn't say it was or wasn't a challenge, I said a build that doesn't have Shadowform (especially the new one that a retarded monkey could use) requires a bit more skill than one without.

I'm assuming you don't actually make builds or look for the next best thing and just wiki everything. I'm not talking creative builds either, I mean builds that actually work and don't suck, when they get that new update going now you're going to have to look back and make sure you're thinking of a PvP version sometimes.

EDIT:
As in lets say randomly skill update 6 months from now and I look back and I go "time to theorycraft a new uber build" and I add a skill that 6 months before was made into a PvP version and it was sorta avoided, and I think it'll own in this new 6 month later skill update except since the PvP skill was sorta avoided I forgot it was made into a crappier version and OH GOD NO MY THEORYCRAFTED BUILD DOESN'T WORK. It's annoying.

Also, the monk feel thing is pretty big.

Again, I'm a PvPer. I play by the rules of the game, but that doesn't mean I like it. I'm not going to gimp myself.

You misread, it does remove ones ability to kite. Because no matter what you have that guaranteed method of being right next to someone no matter the distance as long as its in spell casting range.

Congrats you figured out that it was my opinion. d^^ Maybe next time I'll add "in my opinion"...maybe...

It was fairly obvious this is my opinion, otherwise I wouldn't have made the topic.

Yepppp, not doubting that at all.

Again.

I'm saying this again......

Monsters would be changed to actually make a challenge, even versus these skill changes, in Hard Mode.

I thought I made that FAIRLY CLEAR in the first section.

EDIT: Don't think I'm UPSET at you or anything, just frustrated people overlooked that part. I bold'd it this time...

Yeah, someone said this earlier! I didn't know it was considered Kormir's realm. :s

Thanks! Yeah. I think the chest is a good idea though. The gold/xp rewards are kinda blah anyways. I'd rather get a guaranteed good drop (and the chest would only have GOOD drops) than 200 more gold.

One of the ancient dragons who is probably going to rise and own us in GW2 has his body in Elona. There's ancient dragons everywhere, so I think it fits!!

If you're talking about PvE: good.
If you're talking about PvP: Dervsmite is imba for a couple reasons, namely the fact you have 3 Deep Wounds (free 100 damage, mind you) going off every 3 seconds, plus 100+ damage on top of that from the attack, and such. It wouldn't break the meta, it'd remove one of the leading damage dealers from the meta, which is good considering Izzy nerfed defenses out the butt.

Unless you're running super rawr defense YAYAYA it's like Dervsmite vs piece of paper.

It would make Ecto prices go up because there would be fewer of them coming in, with a high demand. Ectos would take skill to get, and these places would again be considered the true "Elite" areas they are considered to be.

There is tons of other places to farm, especially with most of my changes. Go farm em.

It's a PvE change, to make it look a little bit better. Mind you, a ton of people in PvE think [Avatar of Balthazar] is actually good.....so something to make it look a little bit better. Just another option. Maybe draw them away from it. Maybe.

Yes, which is why I don't expect even 15% of this to ever happen. The only things I expect to happen is the PvP balance (Izzy's already mentioned looking into it) to some degree, the Marketplace (still getting worked on in the .dat files...), and MAYBE if you're lucky...a new area. That you have to pay for.

A year from now.

omg a god walking amongst mere mortals posted in my topic....

*blush*

A "retarded monkey" can use any farming build none of them are hard and none of them require skill.
you know what they say about assuming.

Then you have no bussiness commenting on PvE changes
and for a PvPer you should know that assassins shadowstepping really isnt a huge problem.
Shadowstepping in no way prevents kiting.
the only ones that have even a little chance to prevent this are SP and DP but a good monk can get away easy.
I think its funny when a sin trys to Shadowstep me and ends up failing.
thats the thing though. You should say imo because the way you put it these changes would be good period.
But its just your opinion.
Most of the changes you have on here, 70%+ people on this thread thinks they just suck.
Again there you go talking about "skill" in PvE even if they made it "un-farmable" its still not going to take skill.
Besides UW/FoW being farmable isnt what killed the ecto prices.
Ectos dropped way off as soon as they made the change to the favor system and introduced scrolls.
Something else before that happened too that hurt the prices but I forget what it was.
They dont need to make them unfarmable they need to re-think the favor system.

the nerfs to the sin class in pvp are basically removing them from pvp

ill admit the class needs to be re done but the entire class should be not just specific parts

i'd personally just like to see a requirement of 4 critical strikes on all shadowsteps

some of the updates u have i agree with some are overpowered but im to lazy to specify

Right, but it's a slightly less retarded monkey.

You make an As Sum Ming?

This is a dumb argument. Again, 99% of all PvPers do PvE. I have completed FoW and UW, I've done all areas in NM, I've completed about half the areas for vanquisher, and am well on my way to getting KOABD r2 in a few weeks. You know holymasamune? He's in Dark Alley, one of the top PvP guilds and he has r6 KOABD. I could name a bunch of other top PvPers who have ranks 2-5 in KOABD too.

Stop being elitist and judging who gets to make opinions about what, especially when its obvious you are uninformed.

Yes, Shadowsteps are a fairly huge problem in PvP, mainly because of the secondary class abuse. Not just that, but the removal of kiting ability on the person you are targeting is horrible.

Yeah, it kinda does, because no matter how much pre-kiting or kiting you do, he's going to wind up next to you if he's using an offensive shadowstep. Yes, you can still kite, but he's still right next to you when he was on the other side of the flagstand.

well you better put imo in this because otherwise someone might take it as a fact....if they were 5. and had no knowledge of how a suggestions forum works.

seriously.

you are the only one here who has so far been unable to realize this is my opinion....until just now when you had to point it out.

which let farmers go in there more often and get more of them.......

lol @ Hailey Anne.

Shadowstepping is a broken mechanic that basically makes positioning redundant. Sure, not everyone uses it but that point stands.

shadow stepping isnt that big a deal!
Guild wars is a team game, are you saying you run teams with no defensive or anti melee? When i guest in my old GvG guild I don't have problems slapping Blinding Flash on a sin as soon as they step, because it sends up "Spike Time!!" fireworks.

Just because something has a counter or a weakness doesn't mean it is balanced.


CONGRATULATIONS THATSTHE1000tH TIME IVE SAID THAT.

Alex, say you're going to B-Surge an AoM Dervish that telespikes please.

Shadowstepping is NOT a big problem.
You can still easily kite.
Dark Prison 30s Recharge
Shadow Fang 45s recharge
Death's Charge 30s recharge
Shadow Walk 30s recharge
these all have long recharge already. Any good monk can outlast an assassins chain and be away from him and have plenty of time to kite before next chain.
{Elites}
Aura of Displacement 20s recharge
Beguiling Haze 20s recharge ~ not really even used that much except in RA.
Shadow Prison 25s recharge ~ This is used with a chain that requires hex which any good monk will have removed easy. and it doesnt even last that long so not a huge threat.
Except for the elites 30s is the lowest recharge and are not a huge deal.
I can get to a monk with Rush on my war just as easy as a shadowstepper but I dont have to wait for 30+secs to step again seeing as how rush is pretty spammable.
Same with dervs I would rather bring Pious Haste then a long recast shadowstep.
Those are the 2 main problems in real PvP ie GvG not shadowstepping.

Pious Haste will strip Heart of Fury. Signet of Mystic Speed is better.

It still kills positional play, and that's all there is to it.

Im not saying Pious Haste is better I was making a point that it can get to other players just as easy as shadow stepping without the long recharge.
My whole point is that the skill changes hes suggesting is not the answer.
60s recharge on all shadowsteps except for AoD is a little much.

That's a speed buff, the Monks can see where you move.

Shadowsteps just make you apear right next to nearly anything you use it on.