Ele or Sin?
natural_Causes
I am making a new character to do some hardcore farms with, and I'm not sure which one to make. I want to use it to farm UW and other places, like raptors. I have started an Ele, and gotten her to level 5, and I'm not sure whether to ditch her to make a sin, keep her, or delete an delete a PvP character for a sin (not to big on the 3rd option, don't have much playing time over the summer.) What do you guys think would be better?
Ultima2
no brainer, ele all the way
Axel Zinfandel
Sin is a no brainer. With just four/five skills you can farm pretty much anything and run pretty much anywhere.
AceOfNoobs
I guess it's just preference, but if you want to farm UW, I'd say sin because of the perma sf chaos plains farming build which nets in lots of ectos.
natural_Causes
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Originally Posted by AceOfNoobs
I guess it's just preference, but if you want to farm UW, I'd say sin because of the perma sf chaos plains farming build which nets in lots of ectos.
Isn't it possible to farm Planes with an Ele? Or is that to inefficient to bother with?
AceOfNoobs
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Originally Posted by natural_Causes
Isn't it possible to farm Planes with an Ele? Or is that to inefficient to bother with?
Yea you can farm CP with ele too, I guess i just like sin. Not sure if Sin is faster, but I'm not sure if eles can kill aatxes as well.
Koricen
Everybody loves to Sin. Sin all the way.
V E R A T T A
can do perma SF with a ele/sin?
AceOfNoobs
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Originally Posted by V E R A T T A
can do perma SF with a ele/sin?
Yea, but less margin for error.
natural_Causes
I have heard of Ele's taking heros to UW to help kill the Aatexes at the start.
AceOfNoobs
You will get less drops then, because drops get assigned to heroes too, you just don't see it.
V E R A T T A
can you elaborate on the build or setup for a E/A to solo uw
natural_Causes
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You will get less drops then, because drops get assigned to heroes too, you just don't see it.
The heros help you kill the first enemies, then you flag them out of radar range, so you get all the drops.
AceOfNoobs
Aatxes drop ectos too ^_^, but sure that works.
Riceboi
SIN ftw, and this is coming from an elementalist lover. lol
Dr Dimento
If you're going to get your Sin leveled and farming within the next month or so.......go sin. With the ease of farming the UW for ectos it really is only a matter of time until it is "re-nerfed". Once that happens, Ele will once again be the uber-farmer.
code1101
my ele is my main char and the center of my focus. he is the the char that gets everything in his HoM first.
for about a year and a half this was true until the last update.
SIN FOR THE WIN.
I can even solo hard missions (ones that I failed to do several times with pugs on my ele) and solo like with no heros or henchies ... just me
the only thing I fear is that SF might get nerfed ... that would be soooo hard ... its just like giving a candy to a kid then taking it back again
Seriously, you have to make a sin ... and this is coming from an ele who plays GW just to farm with his ele.
its just like the days back when I dumped my 55 monk for my new ele. now both my 55 monk and me ele are in the closet and my sin is running naked and teasing those mobs that cant touch him
for about a year and a half this was true until the last update.
SIN FOR THE WIN.
I can even solo hard missions (ones that I failed to do several times with pugs on my ele) and solo like with no heros or henchies ... just me
the only thing I fear is that SF might get nerfed ... that would be soooo hard ... its just like giving a candy to a kid then taking it back again
Seriously, you have to make a sin ... and this is coming from an ele who plays GW just to farm with his ele.
its just like the days back when I dumped my 55 monk for my new ele. now both my 55 monk and me ele are in the closet and my sin is running naked and teasing those mobs that cant touch him
Flightmare
It's just my math, but with glyph of swiftness and deadly paradox you will reach the 50% faster recharge cap, which lets Shadow Form recharge in 30 seconds. At 12 Shadow Arts, Shadow Form Will last for 25 seconds. The +20% enchanting mod will lengthen the duration with 5 seconds. So thats a 30 seconds duration and a 30 seconds recharge. BUT Shadow Form has a casting time of 2/3 seconds. So you WILL lose your HP and are vurnerable for those 2/3 seconds (lets make it 1 second, some margin of error). So ele seems to be a no-go if it's purely made for 24/7 Shadow Form usage.
Eles still are useful for hit and run farms like with sliver armor or a bunch of fire AoE spells, shadow of haste in and dash out. Sin can do the same though, only with slightly less damage output, but a longer shadow form duration for safer runs (but again, it's not needed anymore since you can perma-form now).
I've allways prefered sin myself (not only the farming part) and it got even better after the PvP-PvE-split
Eles still are useful for hit and run farms like with sliver armor or a bunch of fire AoE spells, shadow of haste in and dash out. Sin can do the same though, only with slightly less damage output, but a longer shadow form duration for safer runs (but again, it's not needed anymore since you can perma-form now).
I've allways prefered sin myself (not only the farming part) and it got even better after the PvP-PvE-split
Axel Zinfandel
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the only thing I fear is that SF might get nerfed ... that would be soooo hard ... its just like giving a candy to a kid then taking it back again
As much as I fear the same, I don't think it's likely.
As much as I fear the same, I don't think it's likely.
AceOfNoobs
Don't be afraid because even if SF gets nerfed back to its original duration, you can use the A/me perma sf variant.
Kaleban
Sin is much more versatile in pretty much the entire game. This was true for running/farming as A/Me before the update, and even more true with the options opened up by the SF buff.
The Sin is my main since Factions was released, of 2000+ hours played, nearly 1000 are on my Sin alone. So they are fun and versatile.
That being said, you can still make lots of ingame wealth by farming as an elementalist, the Obsidian tank E/Me with Stone Striker and Mantra of Earth is in many ways more effective, except the high end areas where things like Aatxes can make short work of you even fully buffed.
The Sin is my main since Factions was released, of 2000+ hours played, nearly 1000 are on my Sin alone. So they are fun and versatile.
That being said, you can still make lots of ingame wealth by farming as an elementalist, the Obsidian tank E/Me with Stone Striker and Mantra of Earth is in many ways more effective, except the high end areas where things like Aatxes can make short work of you even fully buffed.
DShrike
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Originally Posted by Flightmare
It's just my math, but with glyph of swiftness and deadly paradox you will reach the 50% faster recharge cap, which lets Shadow Form recharge in 30 seconds. At 12 Shadow Arts, Shadow Form Will last for 25 seconds. The +20% enchanting mod will lengthen the duration with 5 seconds. So thats a 30 seconds duration and a 30 seconds recharge. BUT Shadow Form has a casting time of 2/3 seconds. So you WILL lose your HP and are vurnerable for those 2/3 seconds (lets make it 1 second, some margin of error). So ele seems to be a no-go if it's purely made for 24/7 Shadow Form usage.
I fail, nevermind.
Mr.Kotte
Been Playing Ele for about 15 months (1,5k hrs). It was definitaly the most profitable farmer UNTIL SF got hit by the buffbat. I've only been doing UW since.
For easy farms: Get your sin
For more farms: Get your ele.
For easy farms: Get your sin
For more farms: Get your ele.
Dr Dimento
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Kaleban
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Versatile.......more versatile than ele? Pass me some of that stuff you're smoking. Ele is by far the most versatile, in fact it's really not even close. HOWEVER, due to the Sin's one skill.......Shadow Form, Assassins take the farming cake. One skill is not versatility..........
I didn't claim that SF is what gives the sin farming versatility.
And before you claim Ele is better, the plethora of E/A SF farmers would tend to disagree with you.
What makes the Sin the most versatile in terms of solo play is th ability to become completely (or nearly so) through half or less of the skill bar, and then can tailor his offensive skillset to the enemies.
Take an OB Ele tank, they've got Glyphs, OB Flesh, Stoneflesh, Stone Striker, Mantra of Earth, etc. all on their bar, JUST to replicate SF.
And I won't even go into running, which the Sin absolutely shines at, more so than any other class, which the Ele can hardly match.
Again, though, since you yourself admit Sins take the farming cake, in the farming forum, then we're agreed they're far more versatile, since they can farm more places, with more room for error (especially now) with a more varied skillset to farm places even eles cannot, such as using dagger attack chains or /Me for AoE hex damage (like the UW build prior to the SF buff)
Here's some of what I'm smoking: facts.
And before you claim Ele is better, the plethora of E/A SF farmers would tend to disagree with you.
What makes the Sin the most versatile in terms of solo play is th ability to become completely (or nearly so) through half or less of the skill bar, and then can tailor his offensive skillset to the enemies.
Take an OB Ele tank, they've got Glyphs, OB Flesh, Stoneflesh, Stone Striker, Mantra of Earth, etc. all on their bar, JUST to replicate SF.
And I won't even go into running, which the Sin absolutely shines at, more so than any other class, which the Ele can hardly match.
Again, though, since you yourself admit Sins take the farming cake, in the farming forum, then we're agreed they're far more versatile, since they can farm more places, with more room for error (especially now) with a more varied skillset to farm places even eles cannot, such as using dagger attack chains or /Me for AoE hex damage (like the UW build prior to the SF buff)
Here's some of what I'm smoking: facts.
Mr.Kotte
However, there are places where the Perma SF cant farm, but the ele can.
Onyx Blindbow
sin = UW & long run farms
ele = everywhere for boss farming
I use my ele purely for the boss farms and fast farm, NOTHING farms better than an ele at these (raptors are a good example of a fast farm)
I made my just over a month ago to farm UW, then the SF buff came along xD
I am still a nub sin farming but hey who cares I still make cash xD
ele = everywhere for boss farming
I use my ele purely for the boss farms and fast farm, NOTHING farms better than an ele at these (raptors are a good example of a fast farm)
I made my just over a month ago to farm UW, then the SF buff came along xD
I am still a nub sin farming but hey who cares I still make cash xD
Sethellington
sin til it gets nerfed i guess, then you'll regret not having made an ele.
natural_Causes
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sin til it gets nerfed i guess, then you'll regret not having made an ele.
Actually, I gave in last night and made a Sin, while keeping my Ele. 1 night and I'm already to lvl 10. Gotta love Factions 
Bo Fairfield
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Isn't it possible to farm Planes with an Ele? Or is that to inefficient to bother with?
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with that build, I can farm all the BDR's (except for the one outside Bone Pits, which I skip) and the first 2 mobs of terrorwebs in 35 minutes, on average.
Record run speed was 31 minutes, record ectos was 12. I would suggest an ele, because they can do many farms that aren't really in danger from the nerf-bat, but Anet will undoubtedly nerf SF again at some point. Also, eles are (generally) a more wanted class for PvE pugs, and are generally awesome to play. IMO, it is a waste of time to create a character and go through all the trouble to set it up for ONE build, and one build only.
just my .02
with that build, I can farm all the BDR's (except for the one outside Bone Pits, which I skip) and the first 2 mobs of terrorwebs in 35 minutes, on average.
Record run speed was 31 minutes, record ectos was 12. I would suggest an ele, because they can do many farms that aren't really in danger from the nerf-bat, but Anet will undoubtedly nerf SF again at some point. Also, eles are (generally) a more wanted class for PvE pugs, and are generally awesome to play. IMO, it is a waste of time to create a character and go through all the trouble to set it up for ONE build, and one build only.
just my .02
blackknight1337
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but Anet will undoubtedly nerf SF again at some point.
K, 2 things.
1. Would you, and the rest of these idiots that are a dime a dozen, especially around the farming forums, quit spreading worthless bullshit like this around. Rumors accomplish nothing and make you look like a total idiot.
For starters, Perma SF has been possible since Nightfall came out, and still would be with the reverted duration. This is not new, the buff only opened up the secondary profession to /e. End of story, now shut up with the rumors. I'm sick of having people i've taught the run to pm me when an update comes out, like today, convinced that SF has been nerfed and we are all doomed.
2. Sin or Ele is completely up to you. My personal take on it is that I had an ele sitting in ToA long before this update happened, and I still made a sin and leveled it, and have been farming with the sin instead. Why? Cause 1 mistake outside of traps with an ele and you're hosed. Nightmare pops just before you aggro, rends your flame djinns, and pulls 2 attaxe down on you....you are screwed. With a sin I already have SF up and /dance in front of them.
Also you don't have to worry about 50% slow all the time, renewing Obs flesh and stoneflesh when they run out at the same time, or having to wait 60 sec for meteor shower.
My assassin was at toa and doing the run inside of 14 hours spent on the char. She's now at about 50hr or so, about a third or more afk, and I'm swimming in ecto.
For UW runs, make a sin. Otherwise, ele may be better for some other places. If you can't make up your mind, make both! Thats what I have now and its great.
1. Would you, and the rest of these idiots that are a dime a dozen, especially around the farming forums, quit spreading worthless bullshit like this around. Rumors accomplish nothing and make you look like a total idiot.
For starters, Perma SF has been possible since Nightfall came out, and still would be with the reverted duration. This is not new, the buff only opened up the secondary profession to /e. End of story, now shut up with the rumors. I'm sick of having people i've taught the run to pm me when an update comes out, like today, convinced that SF has been nerfed and we are all doomed.
2. Sin or Ele is completely up to you. My personal take on it is that I had an ele sitting in ToA long before this update happened, and I still made a sin and leveled it, and have been farming with the sin instead. Why? Cause 1 mistake outside of traps with an ele and you're hosed. Nightmare pops just before you aggro, rends your flame djinns, and pulls 2 attaxe down on you....you are screwed. With a sin I already have SF up and /dance in front of them.
Also you don't have to worry about 50% slow all the time, renewing Obs flesh and stoneflesh when they run out at the same time, or having to wait 60 sec for meteor shower.
My assassin was at toa and doing the run inside of 14 hours spent on the char. She's now at about 50hr or so, about a third or more afk, and I'm swimming in ecto.
For UW runs, make a sin. Otherwise, ele may be better for some other places. If you can't make up your mind, make both! Thats what I have now and its great.
Mr. Undisclosed
Sin, you'll make loads of cash farming ecto. You can do bosses and mobs too with different builds. I'd go with sin all the way, I haven't touched my ele since the update. Also I highly doubt SF will get nerfed any time soon if at all.
Dr Dimento
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And before you claim Ele is better, the plethora of E/A SF farmers would tend to disagree with you.
My point, which you have obviously failed to grasp......is that the Sin's reliance on a single skill, by its very definition, means it is not versatile.
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1. Would you, and the rest of these idiots that are a dime a dozen, especially around the farming forums, quit spreading worthless bullshit like this around. Rumors accomplish nothing and make you look like a total idiot.
A rumor would imply that someone has cited an official source for an impending nerf. The very quote your reply is in context to does not do that, and in fact, makes it pretty clear that the individual has a personal opinion that the nerf will happen......not facts. Something I concur with. Any time Ecto is too easy, Anet usually corrects.....right now.....ecto is too easy, so naturally anyone who has been around for more than a month or two will assume it will also be corrected as the other overpowered builds have always been.
masta_yoda
make both imo, there both good
Rhamia Darigaz
whats with all the ideas that sf will be nerfed? i'd think anet knew exactly what they were doing when they buffed sf, and perma sf was already possible anyway, even in pvp. beyond how pissed all the ppl who made sins since the buff would be, i imagine this might also encourage ppl to buy factions if they dont already have it, which is a very good thing for anet. kinda like how ursan works for gwen.
blackknight1337
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A rumor would imply that someone has cited an official source for an impending nerf. The very quote your reply is in context to does not do that, and in fact, makes it pretty clear that the individual has a personal opinion that the nerf will happen......not facts. Something I concur with. Any time Ecto is too easy, Anet usually corrects.....right now.....ecto is too easy, so naturally anyone who has been around for more than a month or two will assume it will also be corrected as the other overpowered builds have always been. Good job writing a whole paragraph, and completely missing my point.
Mr. Undisclosed
To be honest I don't think SF will be nerfed for a while. I see the SF buff as anet making it easier for people to fill their HoM by using a foolproof build.
RavagerOfDreams
the correct answer to your question my friend is whichever you enjoy playing the most
these responses are all our opinions and all that really matters is what you think
trankle
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Any time Ecto is too easy, Anet usually corrects.....right now.....ecto is too easy, so naturally anyone who has been around for more than a month or two will assume it will also be corrected as the other overpowered builds have always been.
Anet had to know what they were doing by buffing SF. My feeling is that if they are worried about the Chaos Plains farm, they'll just add a roaming group of Charged Blacknesses to the area. Or tweak the drop rate of ectos from Spectres. Heck, one permanent spawn of body-blocking Behemoths at the entrance to the Plains would probably do the trick.
Mr. Undisclosed
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Originally Posted by trankle
I think you're confusing 'versatile' with 'future-proof'.
Anet had to know what they were doing by buffing SF. My feeling is that if they are worried about the Chaos Plains farm, they'll just add a roaming group of Charged Blacknesses to the area. Or tweak the drop rate of ectos from Spectres. Heck, one permanent spawn of body-blocking Behemoths at the entrance to the Plains would probably do the trick. I think the last suggestion could be fixed by bringing a short bow and auto attacking until the traps disarm themselves then go and set PBoA by them and continue attacking 
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