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bhavv

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Sep 2006

04 Jun 2008 at 17:53 - 41

Quote:

Originally Posted by beaverlegions

Doesnt seem like you got my point i meant clearing uw with a mesmer, if you cna show me a vid of that i agree to be your sexual slave for eternity. And where is teh fun in getting survivor killing trolls when you can do all uw with godmode.

There was a thread on clearing UW with a mesmer, I cant find it now, but if any pro mesmers know where it is, please link to it.

They can kill Aatxes, terrorwebs, and most other things too.

moriz

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Join Date: Jan 2006

Canada

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04 Jun 2008 at 17:53 - 42

/requestban bhavv

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Originally Posted by bhavv

http://www.ageofconan.com

Fix'd.

1223`4`

Snow Bunny

Alcoholic From Yale

Join Date: Jul 2007

Strong Foreign Policy [sFp]

04 Jun 2008 at 17:55 - 43

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Originally Posted by moriz

/requestban bhavv

If you’re going to request that, then /requestban for all of riverside.

On another note, don't forget the revert to Aggressive Refrain.

BlackSephir

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2006

A/N

04 Jun 2008 at 17:56 - 44

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Originally Posted by Turtle222

/requestlock

What a pointless thread. bhavv, instead of trolling the forums here i suggest you do so solely in the AOC forums

We're helping AN decide which skills need buf... er, I mean balance. What's pointless about that.

beaverlegions

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Sep 2006

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04 Jun 2008 at 17:56 - 45

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Originally Posted by bhavv

Hello Ursan Blessing.

The rest of your post is poo.

Do you know what godmode is? Godmode means always full health, which would be easily attainable with perma +10 regen (thnx mystic regen) or with 500 armor ( thnx armor stack) also means insane dmg (thnx sf, barrage splinter)
btw you frgot to ask for no health regen cap, it would be rly rgeat to be able to reach 20 arrows
idk if you ever cleared uw, but i dont rly see how a mesmer can solo the horseman quest, but with your buffs even a lvl 10 ranger should be able to do it.

bhavv

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Sep 2006

04 Jun 2008 at 17:57 - 46

Quote:

Originally Posted by beaverlegions

Do you know what godmode is? Godmode means always full health, which would be easily attainable with perma +10 regen (thnx mystic regen) or with 500 armor ( thnx armor stack) also means insane dmg (thnx sf, barrage splinter)

55 Hp monk???

Already in the game.

We have been farming with these skills for a long long time, nothing wrong with reverting them back to what they were for PVE.

Snow Bunny

Alcoholic From Yale

Join Date: Jul 2007

Strong Foreign Policy [sFp]

04 Jun 2008 at 17:57 - 47

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Originally Posted by beaverlegions

Do you know what godmode is?

Yes, it's TNTF+SY!

beaverlegions

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Sep 2006

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04 Jun 2008 at 17:59 - 48

Actually why are you bothering to talk about which skills need buffing, just ask for cheats in pve, would make you posts just as useless but shorter to read.
o and you shouldnt use the word poo when trying to prove a point, makes you loose all your credibility

bhavv

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Sep 2006

04 Jun 2008 at 18:05 - 49

Quote:

Originally Posted by beaverlegions

just ask for cheats in pve

Ursan Blessing, Shadow Form, Ether renewal, 600 / Smite, 55 HP, Obi flesh tank ....

Erm, we already have them.

Brother Andicus

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2005

Scotland

The Illuminati

04 Jun 2008 at 18:06 - 50

I have an idea for a new skill actually. Any newly created character should get the skill, and existing characters can get it for free from the skill trader.

Pwn Monster. 1E, 1s Recharge
Elite Shout. Steal 5000 health from each foe within earshot.

GG

JONO51

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2006

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04 Jun 2008 at 18:06 - 51

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Originally Posted by bhavv

Not that I care, but since Anet decided to seperate PVP from PVE and have still done an asshat job of it:

*Remove the 3 enchant limit on Mystic Regen
*Splinter Weapon back to unlimited targets
*Give Mhenlo in Eotn LoD back (and make it 5s recharge again, not just 6)
*Bring back armor stacking in PVE
*Remove loot scaling

Paragons

*Revert the motivation line of skills back to what they were on release
- Bigger heals
- Shorter recharge on SoR (it was 15 secs before)
- Energising Finale - bring back energy gain scaling with rank in motivation
- (any other reverts to paragons, all of these things were only changed due to imbalance in PVP)
- Revert Aggressive Refrain

Elementalist

- Stoneflesh Aura - revert back to its previous duration
- Gale - revert back to 5e and 3s KD
- Searing Flames - back to the damage it had on release

Necromancers

- Bring back soul reaping to its original effect (+energy per death including spirits)
- Revert skill nerfs to the Anti Melee line of skills under curses

I'm not too good with necro skills unfortunately, but will add specific skill suggestions here if people suggest them.

Mesmer:

- Energy Surge / Energy burn - 10s recharges
- Shatter enchant / Mirror of disenchantment - 15s recharges
- Spiritual Pain - Back to 106 AoE damage
- Enchanters Conundrum - Back to the imba 106+ damage when it ends
- Hex Eater Vortex - 10s recharge, 126 damage (it is currently worse then shatter hex for PVE)
- Ineptitude - 15 sec recharge
- Clumsiness / Wandering eye - 8 sec durations, maybe more damage
- Images of Remorse - 1s cast time, same damage as clumsiness but single target only

I'm sure that there is plenty more that I havnt yet looked into, but that is all I can think off for now.

And before you talk about balance and economy in PVE, No one cares about PVE balance anymore, especially not Anet, and the Economy is already dead.

Now I know why Izzy thinks PvE'ers only want to feel epic and kill loads of monsters in one hit.

beaverlegions

Frost Gate Guardian

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04 Jun 2008 at 18:06 - 52

do i need to define cheats to you?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheats
There ya go

bhavv

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Sep 2006

04 Jun 2008 at 18:10 - 53

Quote:

Originally Posted by beaverlegions

do i need to define cheats to you?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheats
There ya go

And how is anything that I mentioned in my OP cheating as you compared it to then?

You condradict yourself, well done.

beaverlegions

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Sep 2006

The Siege Turtles

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04 Jun 2008 at 18:15 - 54

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brother Andicus

I have an idea for a new skill actually. Any newly created character should get the skill, and existing characters can get it for free from the skill trader.

Pwn Monster. 1E, 1s Recharge
Elite Shout. Steal 5000 health from each foe within earshot.

GG

Nice skill should make bhavv very happy, you should make also an elite called pwn game useable everywhere but pvp zone, gives you all pve titles 100 mil xp fills your storage max gold and all materials, unlocks all skills items heroes, gives them torm weapons and endgame armor give your storage infinite space and fills it with every skins q 7 max dmg inscri all minis, all armors, a stack of all event items and masks. while were at it make it also possible to go back to pre. o and when you use it in pve zone it kills all enemies within radar range and give you 100k.

beaverlegions

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04 Jun 2008 at 18:18 - 55

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Originally Posted by bhavv

And how is anything that I mentioned in my OP cheating as you compared it to then?

You condradict yourself, well done.

Ok it seems like you need to learn how to read too
http://www.starfall.com/
I never said that you were asking directly for cheats take reading lessons and then come back and read that post.

White Lies

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Feb 2007

04 Jun 2008 at 18:21 - 56

Most of this thread is pointless.
Non of the skills need buffing and we already had perma shadows b4 the buffs, and imo ether renewal is still a useless skill bcuz (this will probably b argued :P) wat ele want to stand @ the bk of a party healing evry1 wen they cud b nuking? not i.
as for ursan blessing that nvr even desered 2 b intruduced. it now means to get a DoA party or an UW/FoW clear party i have 2 w8 ages 4 sum old-skoolers to turn up or do it with guildies.
55hps and obby tanks have bn around 4 ages and after searching thru the forums i dont c u complaining bout um in any other thread/post so plz dont start on them.
and on top of all that: ur in the rong forum.
I lol'ed

bhavv

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Sep 2006

04 Jun 2008 at 18:23 - 57

Quote:

Originally Posted by beaverlegions

Ok it seems like you need to learn how to read too
http://www.starfall.com/
I never said that you were asking directly for cheats take reading lessons and then come back and read that post.

You should learn to comprehend what you write.

You are comparing my suggestions directly to cheating. I never asked for cheats, but you put that word in as a comparision to what I suggest.

We already have far more imbalance in GW then what the suggestions I have made would bring. I am not asking for a kill button or god mode as you continually mention since we already have that in the game anyway.

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Originally Posted by White Lies

wat ele want to stand @ the bk of a party healing evry1 wen they cud b nuking?

So why would Necros want to heal with Soul Reaping for energy regen then? Same thing really, and Ether Renewal also works for epic E management with offensive spells.

beaverlegions

Frost Gate Guardian

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04 Jun 2008 at 18:32 - 58

ok god mode = cant die try using only a ursan to do something he'll die, on the other hand mystic regen 10 regen+ sb = cant die. I said just ask for cheats because it'd be much more simple for anet to make a command than to buff all the skills ingame and in the end same result.
continually mentioning god mode = saying it less than 4 times in 10 posts in a thread that which purpose is to make all skills like ursan
do you have no life whatsoever to browse guru forums to make posts like that even though you dont play gw anymore?

Killed u man

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2006

04 Jun 2008 at 18:34 - 59

Remove minnion limit in PvE

This would drasticly up the pve fun factor... Common, there isn't a single person that doesn't want to see 100+ minions walking around again...

EDIT: messed up the double negation on isn't and doesn't

Anyways, I DO want the limit removed, it wasn't sarcasm

bhavv

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Sep 2006

04 Jun 2008 at 18:36 - 60

Quote:

Originally Posted by beaverlegions

ok god mode = cant die try using only a ursan to do something he'll die, on the other hand mystic regen 10 regen+ sb = cant die.

If you dont like it dont use it

We have had this in the game for a long long time, 55 HP monks have been here since the day the game was released and they arent going to go away. Mystic Regen and Stoneflesh Aura were nerfed due to abuse in arenas, not because people used them for farming.

You couldnt make a team of 8 55 HP monks and pwn everything like you do with Ursan.

And you cant use enchant based builds in most of the game because of enchant removal. On the other hand, there is no counter for Ursan and it can be used anywhere.

moriz

??ber t??k-n??sh'??n

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04 Jun 2008 at 18:36 - 61

i wouldn't. the game server is laggy enough as it is.

beaverlegions

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04 Jun 2008 at 18:37 - 62

Quote:

Originally Posted by Killed u man

Remove minnion limit in PvE

This would drasticly up the pve fun factor... Common, there isn't a single person that wants to see 100+ minions walking around again...

Good idea make it like when ppl would make mm grps with saccers in ha, but also make minions 10 lvl higher.

bhavv

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Sep 2006

04 Jun 2008 at 18:39 - 63

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Originally Posted by beaverlegions

Good idea make it like when ppl would make mm grps with saccers in ha, but also make minions 10 lvl higher.

What part of PVE only dont you understand? You missed the whole point of the thread. Shows how well you can read.

And Minion groups in HA were rubbish, but I guess you werent around when people played them, nor that you understand that they wouldnt work with the new map changes.

upier

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2006

Done.

[JUNK]

04 Jun 2008 at 18:42 - 64

Come on guys.
We all know Bhavvy-babez is just pissed because he's stuck with THAT haircut on his ele!
I feel your pain babez!

(And I can't help but to laugh at it ...

)

The Meth

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2007

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04 Jun 2008 at 18:47 - 65

Quote:

Originally Posted by beaverlegions

Actually why are you bothering to talk about which skills need buffing, just ask for cheats in pve, would make you posts just as useless but shorter to read.
o and you shouldnt use the word poo when trying to prove a point, makes you loose all your credibility

Have to agree with this.

Seriously, Splinter Weapon is the best damage skill in the game, and it needs a buff? Aggressive Refrain is the best IAS in the game and it needs a buff?

If you think those skills aren't already the best in the game lrn2play.

If you want the game to be easier just come out of the closet and ask for an ursan buff.

White Lies

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Feb 2007

04 Jun 2008 at 18:50 - 66

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Meth

Have to agree with this.

Seriously, Splinter Weapon is the best damage skill in the game, and it needs a buff? Aggressive Refrain is the best IAS in the game and it needs a buff?

If you think those skills aren't already the best in the game lrn2play.

If you want the game to be easier just come out of the closet and ask for an ursan buff.

very much agreed.

around

Wilds Pathfinder

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04 Jun 2008 at 18:52 - 67

ITT people fail at getting joke

bhavv

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Sep 2006

04 Jun 2008 at 18:57 - 68

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Meth

Seriously, Splinter Weapon is the best damage skill in the game, and it needs a buff? Aggressive Refrain is the best IAS in the game and it needs a buff?

Not since they were nerfed they arent. They need un nerfing for PVE before they are good again.

The Meth

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2007

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04 Jun 2008 at 19:00 - 69

Quote:

Originally Posted by spawnofebil

ITT people fail at getting joke

Cmon, with the guild wars player base as it is there was a 99% chance it was the average retard being retarded vs 1% chance of someone having fun. Gotta play the odds.

Yichi

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Sep 2005

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04 Jun 2008 at 19:10 - 70

Quote:

Originally Posted by bhavv

Not since they were nerfed they arent. They need un nerfing for PVE before they are good again.

You cant be serious...

+1 in epic troll thread

Sir Owns Alot EP

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2007

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04 Jun 2008 at 19:14 - 71

Lets morph all three blessings into an epic collage of PVE ownage that KD's, blinds, weakens, bleeds, and deep wounds with every shot. That and of course 60% chance of evasion, it would make PVE so uber cool.

We can also change Light of Deldrimor into an area wide nuke that permantley blinds enemies because they briefly saw the figure of our greatness.

Or, the guild wars community can stop bitching about every damn little thing that ArenaNet tries to do. Yea, once upon a time they claimed skill over time. Yea, once upon a time they said that PVE and PVP were purposelly intertwined and it would stay that way. But do I care if a skill is "overpowered" in PVE? I sure as hell don't. People complain and moan about every thing in this game, just as they complained and moaned about the trinity of nuker, tank, and healer. Play the stupid game. Overpowered skills mean nothing. Money means nothing. Your titles mean nothing. Not even that UBER RAIR PANDER you bought for three trillion ectos means anything. People take this game WAY too seriously.

The Meth

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2007

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04 Jun 2008 at 19:24 - 72

I think all of the ursan's skills need to be combined into one to make it easier to use, and because sometimes I die when all 3 of my monks go AFK and I aggro a whole HM DoA group. So I propose the following:

Ursan Madness 0e 0c 1r
Shout. All enemies within earshot are weakened, knocked down and take 40...75 damage, twice. All Allies deal +5...15 damage per attack and move 20...33% faster for 8...14 seconds.

It might be a little underpowered because waiting 1 second for it to recharge really sucks, you might take some damage if you aggro two ele bosses who are immune to knockdown, but lets just change it to this for now and we can see how it goes. If it needs to be more powerful we can obviously buff it again.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yichi

You cant be serious...
+1 in epic troll thread

At least put in some effort for your +1's

Occidio

Academy Page

Join Date: Apr 2008

Desolation Lords [DL]

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04 Jun 2008 at 19:26 - 73

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sir Owns Alot EP

Lets morph all three blessings into an epic collage of PVE ownage that KD's, blinds, weakens, bleeds, and deep wounds with every shot. That and of course 60% chance of evasion, it would make PVE so uber cool.

We can also change Light of Deldrimor into an area wide nuke that permantley blinds enemies because they briefly saw the figure of our greatness.

Or, the guild wars community can stop bitching about every damn little thing that ArenaNet tries to do. Yea, once upon a time they claimed skill over time. Yea, once upon a time they said that PVE and PVP were purposelly intertwined and it would stay that way. But do I care if a skill is "overpowered" in PVE? I sure as hell don't. People complain and moan about every thing in this game, just as they complained and moaned about the trinity of nuker, tank, and healer. Play the stupid game. Overpowered skills mean nothing. Money means nothing. Your titles mean nothing. Not even that UBER RAIR PANDER you bought for three trillion ectos means anything. People take this game WAY too seriously.

GFG, QFT, +1, etc.

Bryant Again

Hall Hero

Join Date: Feb 2006

04 Jun 2008 at 19:46 - 74

I see no sarcasm tags. I also see you using the "don't like it don't use it" argument a lot so I can't tell if you're serious or not, and I'm dreading the former.

bhavv

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Sep 2006

04 Jun 2008 at 19:46 - 75

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yichi

You cant be serious...

+1 in epic troll thread

If the skills are currently good enough, then why are most people using Ursan isntead of them?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bryant Again

I see no sarcasm tags. I also see you using the "don't like it don't use it" argument a lot so I can't tell if you're serious or not, and I'm dreading the former.

I am partially being both serious and sarcastic. The sarcasm is that I dont really care about the skills or PVP. The hidden seriousness is that some skills were in fact killed for PVE (Hello my name is Hex Eater Vortex, I am an elite skill and I take longer to recharge and do far less damage then Shatter Hex, and no one really cares about my enchant removal in PVE).

Also, I would actually like solo farming to become what it was before it got nerfed purely because it was fun. Regardless of how imbalanced it may be, does it really matter if I farm using Stoneflesh Aura and Mystic regen, when I can just use the epic long lasting Shadow Form or Ether Renewal instead? Or Smite / 600 duo with my hero just about anywhere in the game? How would it be any different for you if someone else is farming in PVE with these skills?

I dont see how it does matter if these skills were reverted for faming purposes. They were only nerfed in the first place becasue of PVP, I doubt PVE played any part in Gale being nerfed because Warriors used to overuse it in HA.

Tyla

Emo Goth Italics

Join Date: Sep 2006

04 Jun 2008 at 19:50 - 76

Quote:

Originally Posted by bhavv

If the skills are currently good enough, then why are most people using Ursan isntead of them?

Because Ursan is brainless and doesn't need any bar comprehension.

PS: I had some guy telling me I don't know how to Ursan before...I'm scared! :x

Bryant Again

Hall Hero

Join Date: Feb 2006

04 Jun 2008 at 19:50 - 77

The solution is not to make every skill as imba as Ursan, it's to make Ursan - in addition to the other overpowered skills - to be balanced. This would also require them to buff a lot of "useless" skills, but I'd much rather they sort out priorities.

Cab Tastic

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2007

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04 Jun 2008 at 19:58 - 78

I think the OP is being a little overzealous. However there were some skill which took quite a hammering due to PvP. These are the skills that need addressing. Once some of the underpowered skills are brought into line with the current popular ones there should be no reason why we shouldn't have lots more variety of builds in PVE.

The principle of buffing some skills is good. How this is managed, well this is down to Anet.

Fay Vert

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2006

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04 Jun 2008 at 20:00 - 79

Its a shame, this should have been a useful thread

[energizing wind] is the clearest "dead" skill they need to revert for me. Surely there is no justification for leaving it dead in PvE.

Riceboi

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2005

04 Jun 2008 at 20:06 - 80

and while your at it, Un-nerf the following:

Armor and absorption stacking on warriors just like the old days
AI flee for AOE damage just like the old days
No loot scaling as in every enemy drops something no matter how big the bunch.

k thanks bye