solo uw plains another guide, sin/mesmer video link too

therangereminem

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So this will be my first guide I have written. I just think most other guides are good, but they're missing a couple of key things.

With that being said here is the video link to my video i made, please keep in mind this is my first editing job of a video ever. I will hope to have another one up soon that's done with a little more skill in editing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jl81eASCqc

note this is for HARD MODE not norm mode

ok so now you have watched the video there are a couple things to get out of it and a couple of questions you will have.

1: build
2: att points, armor weapons, and why a con
3: how not to spread agro
4: getting up the mountain(90% of time)
6: why not to go the dagger build or /ele


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so the build is a bit different than most builds but its a bit the same
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1 channeling
2 deadly paradox
3 shadow form (elite)
4 auspicious incantation
5 cry of pain (sunspear r8 or higher recommended)
6 ether nightmare (r2 kur or lux or higher recommended)
7 clumsiness
8 wandering eye

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points as follows

shadow arts 11 +sup shadow arts head piece
deadly arts 3
inspiration 8
Illusion 11

energy insignias on everything and energy runes on everything but the head (you can put a sup vigor on your hands or feet but health is not needed)

now you will need weapons
sword = 20% longer enchanting and +5 energy
offhand = inspiration or illusion (req9 inspiration or req 12 illusion)
offhand is for the energy +12, if you like half recharge and casting it's good for illsion or inspiration but is not needed

now why use a con? answer is to have one more attack skill to do the run faster and not to just kill graspings then leave aatxes becuz they take longer to kill. Also so i dont need echo on my bar

which con do i use? i use a essence of celerity.
whats the bad thing about using this?
1 bad thing is when the con runs out so do you. in other words you will die without it, also the cost is about 2k to make one, so total cost per run is 3k or less.
but with 6 to 10 ecto per i think 3k is worth it to save time on the run

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as you can see in the video very rarely does the agro spread at all.
to do this its a very simple matter, and is showed many times in the video.

first, you have to always make sure you have all the agro on one side of you make sure you dont get blocked or this will slow down the run.
second, once agro is all on one side of you take them to a wall and pull them til they bunch up.
third, take a little step off the wall, so that you can tell you're off the wall but not enough to have something fit between the space of you and the wall.
after this is done then you can start doing damage. if done correctly, no agro will move away from you. the only thing that happens is some will stop attacking you for a few seconds, but this is not a huge issue.


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ok so now getting up the mountain
in the video i got a really good spawn, there is only a couple of spawns where you cant get up the mountain at all. if thats the case just resign, this doesnt happen much.

if you notice, in the video i pull the room then i stop with it. you will notice the darknesses coming down towards me, just be enough away where you dont agro them. once they start back up the mountain this will be your chance to go up the mountain and not have to agro the darknesses at all.
start running up following the path, dont stop other than to cast shadow form and paradox.
remember to take the right turn shown in the video. once again, in the video it shows me stopping again there. you will need to wait til the darknesses pass your path from the right. once there you will have to stop for a moment as shown in the video. you will see a group of blacknesses moving from right to left along the top path. once they move to the left run once again up the path to the plains.

you should be able to make it to the plains
take note not to stand to close or run to close to the Obsidian Behemoths. if your path is blocked you will have to run almost up to them then quickly step away to trigger the traps, but not hit you. once you do that and traps have been set off you can run by.

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i think the other builds are good but with my times trying them out and testing theyre just a little too slow for me.

my runs take me 24 min on average and i have had runs done in 20 mins flat
most the other builds take just about 28 min on average and most of my first runs took well over that - 40 min. only when i got good at it did it take shorter.

so thats it i have tried my best, please dont flame my post, im not saying the other perma builds are bad just not what I like speed wise.

ill be looking over this post and editing time to time. over the next day or so fixing and editing things that need to be.

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wait wait wait...

you make 6 to 10 ectos on a single run with 1 essence of celerity? I call shenanigans!

therangereminem

therangereminem

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is true clearing plains is one of the best areas to farm for ectos. average is 8 i will have some runs give me 5 ecto , then the next give me 9 or 10 most i have had in a run is 12 but not to manytimes, this is averge of 8 a run

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Good guide but the build itself is a bit dated since the buff to SF. The A/E is more cost effective, why spend 2-3k on a con when you can go without and still get a faster time?

therangereminem

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a/e is not better speed wise its the same about, only ifyou aviod the axes,i have tested it i dont knock befor etryign and this is not out dated, you couldnt stay in shadow form without echo til the buff

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I think instead of just flaming him you guys should actually try the build first. You've obviously chosen to flame without first trying the build cause a run takes about 25 mins and it took you much less than that to post a reply. If you can do it that quick I want to see YOUR guides to the build you're using...

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Nice build rangereminem

Its much faster than the assasin ele build especially in Hard mode and the extra damage skill you get by using the con is worth it (instead of echo on the mesmer or glyph of swiftness on the ele build) mes build is much better on energy too.

Good work, happy farming all

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I use the A/E MoR + LF build and it takes basicly 20 minutes a run with killing Aatxes. I also drop my health to 100 or below so that they don't scatter. Energy is not a problem at all so long as you know what you're doing. Soo.. faster time, 1k fee (if no scroll), same amount of ectos.

Hmmmm.. you choose.

therangereminem

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lo9l doyou even know that thsiis a hardmode build not nm , i tried your build nm its ok but still i can be to the plains in less then 4min
hard mode takes me 5 min to get to plains

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In reply to the last message by [email protected]

Are you talking hard mode, if you are then id like to see your full build cause recharge time and energy will be issues to consider??

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Originally Posted by [email protected]
I use the A/E MoR + LF build and it takes basicly 20 minutes a run with killing Aatxes. I also drop my health to 100 or below so that they don't scatter. Energy is not a problem at all so long as you know what you're doing. Soo.. faster time, 1k fee (if no scroll), same amount of ectos.

Hmmmm.. you choose. Thing is, you're probably talking about normal mode...

Does everybody realize that the first 2 letters of the title of this thread are "HM", which stands for "Hard Mode"...?

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Originally Posted by DéesseBrighid
Thing is, you're probably talking about normal mode...

Does everybody realize that the first 2 letters of the title of this thread are "HM", which stands for "Hard Mode"...? it might be because the OP never mentions hard mode in his thread. the title of the thread is "solo uw plains another guide, sin/mesmer video link too". there is no mention of hard mode. the only place hard mode is mentioned is in the title of his first POST not the thread.

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Originally Posted by Enko
it might be because the OP never mentions hard mode in his thread. the title of the thread is "solo uw plains another guide, sin/mesmer video link too". there is no mention of hard mode. the only place hard mode is mentioned is in the title of his first POST not the thread.
Quote: Originally Posted by therangereminem
HM solo UW Plains, another guide, sin/mesmer w/video link

So this will be my first guide I have written. I just think most other guides are good, but they're missing a couple of key things.

With that being said here is the video link to my video i made, please keep in mind this is my first editing job of a video ever. I will hope to have another one up soon that's done with a little more skill in editing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jl81eASCqc

note this is for HARD MODE not norm mode 12 characters

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Quote:
Originally Posted by DéesseBrighid
Thing is, you're probably talking about normal mode...

Does everybody realize that the first 2 letters of the title of this thread are "HM", which stands for "Hard Mode"...?
Quote: Originally Posted by TITLE OF THE THREAD solo uw plains another guide, sin/mesmer video link too lolwut?

Quote: Originally Posted by Overly Sensitive Guy
I think instead of just flaming him you guys should actually try the build first. You've obviously chosen to flame without first trying the build cause a run takes about 25 mins and it took you much less than that to post a reply. If you can do it that quick I want to see YOUR guides to the build you're using... You've obviously decided not to read anything in the two posts before yours. I haven't seen a single flame yet, if you think hes been flamed you need thicker skin.

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Originally Posted by Same overly sensitive guy from above
12 characters that made me lol because the op was edited soon after Enko said something, leading me to believe the post was changed to say HM between yoursand enko's posts. Yeah it was in the post header but no one reads those.

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Originally Posted by Mr. Undisclosed
lolwut?



You've obviously decided not to read anything in the two posts before yours. I haven't seen a single flame yet, if you think hes been flamed you need thicker skin.

that made me lol because the op was edited soon after Enko said something, leading me to believe the post was changed to say HM between yoursand enko's posts. Yeah it was in the post header but no one reads those. I concur.

Most people will argue that ectos don't drop more in HM as lootscaling doesnt apply to rare materials. We've had someone get 13 ectos in NM with the A/E build. But really use whatever you want... no reason to freak out cause someome likes one build over the other. They both do the same damn thing.

therangereminem

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the point of hm is the golds drop more i get about 6 to 10 golds also without chests and farming skills pointslol to add

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I've never tried HM in this farm - do the charged blackness in the mountains run their patrol route any faster than they do in nm? Just don't want to get blocked at the entrance to the plains by them.

therangereminem

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they move faster yes its hard mode just watch the portrols

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lolwut?



You've obviously decided not to read anything in the two posts before yours. I haven't seen a single flame yet, if you think hes been flamed you need thicker skin.
Dissing his build before trying it is considered flaming in my book for one...

Quote:
Originally Posted by Same Strange Chick
that made me lol because the op was edited soon after Enko said something, leading me to believe the post was changed to say HM between yoursand enko's posts. Yeah it was in the post header but no one reads those. No actually, it wasn't. It was edited shortly after the first reply and I know that because I'm the one who did it for two.

And for three, I prefer "Over-sensitive pregnant woman" if you must label me with something other than my username, which by the way, means goddess brighid which would imply that I'm a girl as well as my user icon of "MOTHER'S" best friend. Just as I'm sure you don't appreciate being referred to as "chick" even though YOUR username clearly has "mr." in it. You're obviously not very observant yourself or you would have noticed these obvious things yourself before calling me a guy. So perhaps before you flame me for my "unobservant posts" (even though I DID read all replies before replying myself) perhaps you should be a little more observant yourself. Thank you very much for your input anyway though.

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Originally Posted by ShadowsRequiem
I concur.

Most people will argue that ectos don't drop more in HM as lootscaling doesnt apply to rare materials. We've had someone get 13 ectos in NM with the A/E build. But really use whatever you want... no reason to freak out cause someome likes one build over the other. They both do the same damn thing. And assuming you're referring to me, I'm not the only one "freaking out" if that's what you'd like to call it. He already stated that he's not dissing other builds and that he's just posting the one that he prefers so i agree with you, use whatever you like because in the end they DO do the same thing. I'm just saying don't flame it and say that this ones not as good as other ones before you've taken the time to try it.

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Quote: Originally Posted by My post Yesterday, 10:24 PM
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Last edited by therangereminem : Yesterday at 10:29 PM. take a look at when he edited the post. he didn't say that originally. he added that after i said something.


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No actually, it wasn't. It was edited shortly after the first reply and I know that because I'm the one who did it for two. hmm so you edited it? so you have two accounts on guru and are making posts in the same thread from both .. .

and yes i did doublecheck the original post for any HM references besides the post title. there weren't any

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Quote:
Originally Posted by DéesseBrighid
Dissing his build before trying it is considered flaming in my book for one...
If I was dissing his build then yes but I wasn't.

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Originally Posted by Hormonal Pregnant Chick No actually, it wasn't. It was edited shortly after the first reply and I know that because I'm the one who did it for two.
The bottom of the post that says when it was edited says otherwise.

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Originally Posted by Same Lady
which by the way, means goddess brighid which would imply that I'm a girl as well as my user icon of "MOTHER'S" best friend. Sorry I don't do a background check on every name I see on guru, the text on your avatar is so small I dismissed it at a url of the site taking credit for making it.

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Originally Posted by OP
think the other builds are good but with my times trying them out and testing theyre just a little too slow for me.

my runs take me 24 min on average and i have had runs done in 20 mins flat
most the other builds take just about 28 min on average and most of my first runs took well over that - 40 min. only when i got good at it did it take shorter. I believe we have quite a few people that do 20-22 minutes on the A/E build without using cons.

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a/e cant do hard mode so stop comparing it to this i figured if you have watched the video you would have seen its harde2 mode and not have to say it over and over in the post, but some poeple are just that way.

i have tried every build there is this is the fastest build for harde mode nm this build dont work becuz of the con to stop that i take out skill8 and pu in echo and no con which makes this slower then the a/e this i know

to add i been take out skill 8 in harde mode now for echo , to use it on cry of pain, works good buit doesnt make it faster

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Quote:
Originally Posted by therangereminem
a/e cant do hard mode so stop comparing it to this i figured if you have watched the video you would have seen its harde2 mode and not have to say it over and over in the post, but some poeple are just that way.

i have tried every build there is this is the fastest build for harde mode nm this build dont work becuz of the con to stop that i take out skill8 and pu in echo and no con which makes this slower then the a/e this i know

to add i been take out skill 8 in harde mode now for echo , to use it on cry of pain, works good buit doesnt make it faster A/E CAN do HM theres even a video of it.

therangereminem

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a/e using daggers is not what i meant btw a a/e using all ele skills for damge will not do well in hm tested it alot never does the job

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wow.

flame more.

gj bro i'm gonna try it after work tomorrow.

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Originally Posted by therangereminem
a/e using daggers is not what i meant btw a a/e using all ele skills for damge will not do well in hm tested it alot never does the job Its not using daggers either..... its the build with the ele damage skills. Gotta do your homework more.

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...6&postcount=20 No wai!

If you guys think this is flaming then its time for you carebears to go outside and save some babies.

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shadow that run takes about 50 min to do like i said there is not a hm gbuild that can clear this fast, and btw bad video agro spreadin like crazy doesnt even [pull half what i do.

dont te;; me to d ohomework i said the build dont work becuz it tkes tooo long. so please enough with the a/e builds its way way to slow

if you lookin video shadow form rechares in 15 sec meaning he has video in x 3 at least which means it takes him 20 min to clear frist 3 spawn group it not even clearing all of plains so please dont say it a comparesian

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Originally Posted by therangereminem
shadow that run takes about 50 min to do like i said there is not a hm gbuild that can clear this fast, and btw bad video agro spreadin like crazy doesnt even [pull half what i do.

dont te;; me to d ohomework i said the build dont work becuz it tkes tooo long. so please enough with the a/e builds its way way to slow

if you lookin video shadow form rechares in 15 sec meaning he has video in x 3 at least which means it takes him 20 min to clear frist 3 spawn group it not even clearing all of plains so please dont say it a comparesian Normally I don't feel compelled to make comments on people's english or writing, but seriously, go learn to write before you post on forums. Are you five years old or something?

Pssst...Tyla, for once, I would welcome some of the Grammar Nazi in this thread.

On Topic: A/E nm kicks ass. The end.

therangereminem

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a/e nm pshh i would rather go harde mode just as many ecto+ your get golds alot more its well worth it a/e is slow to for nm ,

ps workign on new video 20 min frun and i can killdryders about 15 of them

+im adding pits even though its not great for ecto but you can ateast clear it for drops of some sort so get full use out of cele.

also new build to clear pools as well all the way +plains runs been taking me about 38 min but been getting about 5 to 6 ecto from pools 5 to 8 on plains so up too like 18 ecto about averge of about 15 a run

blackknight1337

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Originally Posted by therangereminem
also new build to clear pools as well all the way +plains runs been taking me about 38 min but been getting about 5 to 6 ecto from pools 5 to 8 on plains so up too like 18 ecto about averge of about 15 a run Interesting math. 5-6 ecto + 5-8 ecto = average of 15 a run?

My little 5 year old brother can add better than that.

therangereminem

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w/e averge 14 so i missed typed gg for not checking post before sending

btw the pools build is a hard one you need to be r8 norn to do it and need to have other thing also

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Originally Posted by therangereminem
w/e averge 14 so i missed typed gg for not checking post before sending

btw the pools build is a hard one you need to be r8 norn to do it and need to have other thing also average of 5-6 and 5-8 isn't 14, more like 12. Pools I'm guessing its just I am Unstoppable for no kd....and something to heal up with, probably ether feast.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by therangereminem
a/e nm pshh i would rather go harde mode just as many ecto+ your get golds alot more its well worth it a/e is slow to for nm , lolwut? 20 minutes is slow? Do you have some type of GM commands where you can just type /die and everything dies? Because I hardly doubt you can get a better time. Meh I'm there for the ectos not crap uninsc golds.

therangereminem

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in hm i have yet to see a 20 min time to clear all of plains in a/e

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You said is slow for nm not hm

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Quote:
Originally Posted by therangereminem
in hm i have yet to see a 20 min time to clear all of plains in a/e Tell me why someone would want to clear it in HM?

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Originally Posted by Nemesis of God
Tell me why someone would want to clear it in HM? Cause some misinformed people think hardmode gives you more ectos. Which it clearly doesnt. You may get more golds... but they are uninscript and generally pieces of crap.

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Some people on this site are total lamers.

HM is they way to go for all out farming.

When the time difference is negligible and you can pick up several more ecto to offset the cost (aataxe), golds you can sell un-id'd (almost 1 more ecto worth every run) or use towards your own title, various tomes, and a chance that one of those golds will be low req and pefect (40-100k+) , Ill take HM every time.

Stop flaming the OP and those who like the build.

If you don't like it, go back to the other thread.

How in the hell do you guys expect people to post good farming builds and places when the poster always gets flamed for something?

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Quote:
Originally Posted by AOD_EaSyKiLL
Some people on this site are total lamers.

HM is they way to go for all out farming.

When the time difference is negligible and you can pick up several more ecto to offset the cost (aataxe), golds you can sell un-id'd (almost 1 more ecto worth every run) or use towards your own title, various tomes, and a chance that one of those golds will be low req and pefect (40-100k+) , Ill take HM every time.

Stop flaming the OP and those who like the build.

If you don't like it, go back to the other thread.

How in the hell do you guys expect people to post good farming builds and places when the poster always gets flamed for something? Seems like you need to go to the carebear forum section.... look in riverside.

We weren't flaming him... it's cause he is being ignorant. Claiming that the A/E is slow compared to his build and saying that the A/E cant do HM(it can might take longer but still it can)

You also understand that the a/e can kill axes? yes I can get the same ecto drops from them as you would cause HM doesnt effect ecto drops.

Spawning pools can also be cleared with A/E without any cupcakes.