Arena Net - Don't Listen To Us.

You have got to be a moron if you try to please everyone. Let anet do their thing. As long as they are honest about it, it's cool with me

I completely agree, they are obviously pleasing a large portion of the player base, and one needs to realise that the people who use guru do not count for everyone, which I seem to disregard also, sometimes.

All in all, I am pleased with what anets doing, the majority of it anyway, and those who QQ about changes, should probably just take a look at what they had been asking for originally. *looks back at zaishen title emote*

Its not the players job to conform to the game. Its arena.net's job to conform to the players.

If you get bored of guildwars, its not your fault, or mine. You can't be entertained forever.

Some games found that a good way to keep people playing is with collecting loot. Arenanet implements this with rare skins and titles.

I wouldn't say the 55 is obsolete it is just a lot of 55ers and this includes those SS/SV Neecos aren't dueling in the UW as it use to be before the SF buff.Players are using thier 55s to go out and have fun with not to merely farm unless it is thier only way to do so.I really hope the ecto market crashes as I see the remaining time of favour is going down.

This means that only those with SF Sins will be the only ones going down to the UW maybe W/Rts doing smite run but nothing compared to a SF Sin.How long has this been going for?Yes I really hope the ecto market crashes and there are less players going down to the UW or simply give up on a goal to get 1 set of FoW.There is another way of looking at and that is if ecto stays at it current rate or get on par with rubies.I don't see Anet doing much about this even to those who are oppssed to it.

Anyone remember a time when you simply learned to DEAL with what the programmers put in a game? No weekly updates, no "please make this stronger and this weaker", or "this (insert QQ here) is ruining my life". You paid money, they took your money and that was it.

Ahh, the gold old days, where part of the joy of video games was finding out that if you stayed 1/8th of a screen to the right and 1/4 of the screen from the top, the giant spaceship's lasers would just miss you. The release of this hint didn't lead to "patches" and "nerfs" but became part of gamer lore.

Oh Gradius, where art thou?

In the name of the holy one, we chant UUDDLRLRBAS

yeah then say bye bye to pve/pvp skills split to pve experience and say hello to monster pvp match

How can you judge the wrong from the good?

If you think that most of your "opinions/suggestions" are good for the game, it's not to you to JUDGE it, but it's Anet's job. It's not because they put something that you don't like, means it's a bad decision and i think that most of Anet's decisions are good for the game, of course there are flaws, but no games is perfect.

Let Anet do their Job, and please people, stop thinking you know the game better than them.

Sounds like a Pot/Kettle/Black post.

The reason A-net never listens to us is simply and good: 95% of this community are stupid or not worth listening to. The remaining 5% (the people A-net should listen to) are people who have understanding of how games work, or are high end PvPers who understand a thing called game balance. But that last 5% has already left the game for the most, so there is not reason at all for A-net to listen to you.

Phah. It was the whinging of the PvPers that made them take as long as they did to do the obvious thing and split the skillsets.

Epic lolz... seriously... and you PvE never whing about anything, right?

Face facts, all you PvErs ever did was bitch about "elitism" and how A-net were "ruining" the game with much needed skill balances, even though PvE is far too easy and no skill balance had actually made things harder. It's why I never question why A-net doesn't listen to you, why would they want to?

Your post's main flaw is that you're referring to the community as one whole body. In reality, different sections of the community prefer different things, and those who are opposed to something are often more vocal than those who are content with it. This is why, when referring to the community as a whole instead of the individual opinion-based "sects" it really is, it seems to be a group of mouth-foaming hypocrites.

Wisdom. Thank You.

If you're directing that at me, I never said people couldn't have opinions, I was just saying why A-net doesn't listen to most of them.

Pretty much, most of the opinions here are just whining (it's undeniable), hence why A-net doesn't listen.

Depends on what's being argued about, but yeah what's above is very true. The issues that I've been concerning myself with recently (just a look at my post history can tell you that) revolves around PvE depth, essentially. All of the things I consider "problems" don't concern the "majority" of players because they don't know or don't care or both.

That's for ANet to decide. If they have clear goals for the game, then the "wrong" and "good" ideas shouldn't be hard to figure out. But the problem is that they don't have clear goals for the game, as evidenced by the trashing of PvE and their original ideals.

So I had this really long thing written out, then I went to the wiki to confirm some facts about skill changes that have been made. And I came across this...

It's kind of a long read, but what he said can be applied to many nerfs that have happened over the years in this game.

Every time a build becomes popular in pvp and manages to hold halls, it gets nerfed. Many of these can be countered against. But like Kaiser said above...
"what I see is a communities failure to consider effective defensive options because they are comfortable with the metagames typical influence and don't want to trade off convenient defenses for something which is designed to exploit the opponents lack of preperation, not lack of counters"

Honestly... I HATE watching GvG battles. It's always the same team vs the same team (build-wise). Each team has the same amount of warriors, mesmers, monks, and eles. BORING. But this is what the COMMUNITY wanted. New classes? Nononono, we don't use new classes! We need those new classes to be nerfed so we can stick with the old classes (I play a mesmer btw as my main, hi2u old class).

So yeah... ANET is dumb for listening to the babies, the community is dumb for being babies.

Ok I've read about enough of this...
FACT: there are players that play this game that do know whats better for the game than other players, even some of ANET's own employees. By the quality of most of the posts on guru, not many of you are them.
No, it was the constant whining of the precious farmers and the bad PvE players that refused to do nothing more than MM/OBfleshtank/SF/Ursan without any other concept of what other skills were that got the skill split changed. These are the same people that bought a game based on PvP being the endgame and balanced as such, then bitched the first time they got a skill update because they were too stupid to realize why the skill was overpowered and couldn't accept the fact that in a PvP oriented game, that skills will be balanced around PvP as such.
Hi. maybe you should try learning a thing or two about what you're actually talking about before you post. You'll look less like a complete retard when you do.

The PvP community only uses the 4 new classes over the core classes when theres some dumb ass gimmick or imbalance they can take advantage of. Each of the 4 classes were designed, executed, and implimented very poorly. Each of these 4 classes to this day would require major re-tooling for both PvE and PvP to even resemble anything toat remotely comes close to balance.

In a game based around player skill, you should not have to run nothing but degenerative builds to have success. Take this current MAT for a perfect example. Everything that's wrong with the current metagame in guildwars was on display in one form or another.

toast:
this is the last time I'm going to say this, because I've said it probably 500 times. Just because something has a counter, doesn't mean it is balanced. Does Shadow Form have counters? yes, and about 99% of them don't fit in with any build and you would be gimping yourself to a game of Rock (if you meet Shadow form...) paper (if you don't and face a bad set of players) and scissors (if you don't...)

You can't prepare for every team, which is why skilled people run balanced. It tries to prepare for as many teams as possible without gimping yourself. Each of the 4 classes were terribad, I shouldn't have to explain why, but I will.

Assassin: Is in the same role as a Warrior. Does more damage, takes more damage, and has a broken mechanic abused by every other class but it. Woo.

Ritualists: out heal monks, have better spirits than Rangers. Have broken AoE spells. Woo.

Dervishes: Have AoE physical attacks, can become immune to conditions, does heavy damage. Woooo.

Paras: Does sword damage at long range, has an infinite duration unstrippable IAS, has infinite energy, etc.

The classes don't have their own roles, they play off previous existing roles. A Warrior already does more damage than a Sin in an adrenal spike, so why would you take a Sin over a War in an 8v8 environment? Gimmicks.

It's been over a year since the announcement of Guild Wars 2.

No screenshots.

No new info. (Well of course the news about no Beta in 08, which isn't GOOD news)

Nothing, at all.

For a non-monthly service game, Anet does a decent job, but fails to communicate well to its fanbase. This is apparent. And because it is apparent, people complain and from complaints come dislike.

They actually announced it fairly early (as in: earlier than they should have). They weren't even doing graphics design on it til EotN came out. They aren't Blizzard where they work on SC2 since WC3 or Diablo 3 since D2 and never reveal it for 8 years and then OH BTW...

well i am not going to read this hole thread because its 6 pages long. but the biggest reason why people want things and then dont like how anet response is because anet sees are ideas and then for most of them not all implements them in the worst way possible.

How is having the signet-mesmer bring [Signet of Disenchantment] gimping the build? Seems like it has more uses outside of just killing SF users.

Regardless of SF though, I will acknowledge that over the course of the game there have been various things that have been overpowered (the DA builds used in sinsplits for example). Those required changes.

Sadly, the majority of the COMMUNITY screamed "nerf deadly paradox!" which Izzy did... 4 times. If the community hadn't be so up in arms over it, and Izzy actually had time, he might've not nerfed that one skill four times, but balanced the build as a whole (LOL! I know I know, it's Izzy, he would never do that) so that other builds that used those skills wouldn't be so badly affected.

What I'm trying to get at is that over my course of playing multiple MMOs (L2, RO, WoW, CoH, etc, etc) I have seen one consistent thing... the vocal community, for the most part, is stupid.

Now hear me out... when there are obvious problems and bugs within the game (regardless of game), the community in general has almost always been more adamant about getting a new hat, or having the devs put in assless leather chaps for their character, or whatever retarded thing it is this week.

And since this is a customer service business, and some PR douchebag is calling the shots usually, these end up getting put in, taking away from the time that could otherwise be spent fixing bugs and whatnot. It hasn't gotten THAT bad yet in GW, but from other games I've played, it's terrible. And I fear that if the community doesn't stop begging for stupid shit, eventually it's going to be monks and warriors running around in baseball hats and shooting people with guns.

Yeah, yeah, you keep saying that, and your implication that said players are the old PvPers who, as you mentioned, are *gone*. And the game still goes on. Because the game has changed. There are more (probably several orders of magnitude more) PvE players than PvP now. That's why the game survives without your gods.

Doing things your way ruins the game for those who don't want to play it your way. And we outnumber you.

If the other ones don't post on a forum or a community site, how are we going to know what they want? That's down to the people who understand the game the most and understand what you need to do to improve on it.

Except "improvement" is subjective.

For many, changing favor from being tied to pvp to being tied to pve is seen as an improvement (including myself). For others, it cut into the reasons for playing HA. Same with the skill split (though I don't understand the logic of the PvPers that it is bad. They get to play with the same skills), Shadow Form (Sin players, yes, even non-farming ones, vs Ecto hoarders), Ursan-players vs Ursan-haters,etc...

For crying out loud, people were even bitching about the HoM going account-wide! No matter WHAT changes get made, SOMEONE is going to dislike it. That's the nature of beasts.

The only ones who "Understand" the game are the devs and those with access to the source code. Everyone else understands their own vision of the game, and will push for the game to become that even to others' detriment.