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Tyla

Emo Goth Italics

Join Date: Sep 2006

26 Jun 2008 at 19:24 - 321

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Originally Posted by MisterT69

100% /agree with that logic. The number of SF farmers and players who love the buffs is much greater than all the elitist QQers who are pissed that their precious rare weps and expensive armor are nothing special anymore.

Don't cry elitism, because it makes your argument look petty.

Regardless, skills that induce godmode should not exist, end of.

kostolomac

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2008

Serbia

Me/

26 Jun 2008 at 19:30 - 322

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Originally Posted by Tyla

Regardless, skills that induce godmode should not exist, end of.

["Save Yourselves!"] and [Ether Renewal] say hi.

Tyla

Emo Goth Italics

Join Date: Sep 2006

26 Jun 2008 at 19:35 - 323

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Originally Posted by kostolomac

["Save Yourselves!"], [Ether Renewal], [ursan blessing], consumables in general, and infact the entire array of PvE-only material say hi.

Fixed.

Yeah, the entire PvE-only crap should take a kick in the teeth. Godmode stuff too in general. The concept of this stuff is bad and allows everything but difficulty.

Please don't forget that me, among other people are against this stuff in general.

kostolomac

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2008

Serbia

Me/

26 Jun 2008 at 19:39 - 324

Thanks for the edit , but UB should stay in the game until all the professions are balanced and elite areas designed to promote skillful play and not gimmicks.

And I would ban every A/E or A/Me from ToA , chantry and corridor for a day filled with massive lulz.

Tyla

Emo Goth Italics

Join Date: Sep 2006

26 Jun 2008 at 19:48 - 325

Well unfortunately that won't happen. The implimentation of various PvE skills, and the super buff to Shadow Form is enough proof that Anet have given up on the PvE side of the game, while things like Signet Spam of Lolu and Wounding Strike are still alive and strong in the PvP side of the game. And as I said in the other thread: The only way to fix PvE for all professions is by completely redesigning PvE, hence complete overhaul, and at this rate it won't even come close to that.

By the way, how about just banning the usage of Arcane Echo and nerfing Shadow Form to be 1 second off ending with Glyph of Swiftness?

kostolomac

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2008

Serbia

Me/

26 Jun 2008 at 19:56 - 326

Why doesn't anet make a global rule that all characters together on one account can enter FoW and UW only a fixed amount of times (2 times per day as example). This would hurt the farmers and speedclear teams , and not normal teams , since I don't know casual players who complete elite areas all day.

Tyla

Emo Goth Italics

Join Date: Sep 2006

26 Jun 2008 at 19:59 - 327

It's a smart concept. Although as I said: Until Anet make a move on the current situation, there's no chance we're going to get anything that will strongly affect these things.

Jenn

Resigned.

Join Date: Sep 2006

26 Jun 2008 at 20:30 - 328

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Originally Posted by kostolomac

Why doesn't anet make a global rule that all characters together on one account can enter FoW and UW only a fixed amount of times (2 times per day as example).

I understand that you are just trying to throw out a random solution, but there are so many things wrong with this idea. It is way too invasive for anet to impose conditions like this - I didn't buy the game to be told how and when to play it (some fool will probably quote this and say that if I bought the game, I agreed to play it on anet's terms. To them I say this: get a life and don't read so much into things or make an argument out of nothing). On top of that, what about PUG groups that try a couple times and fail? What if later on in the day they find a different PUG group, but oh wait, they can't go! There are also guild groups that have perfected techniques that cut down on the time spent actually clearing the area - are we telling them that completing the missions anet set out to design for them to be completed are going to be moderated?

R.Shayne

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2007

28 Jun 2008 at 11:42 - 329

When the 55 could solo the UW they didn't nerf the 55, they nerfed the UW with dying nightmares and remove enchantments. Since they have not nerfed Shadow Form in over a month my guess is something is getting a skill update.

Tyla

Emo Goth Italics

Join Date: Sep 2006

28 Jun 2008 at 13:44 - 330

They added Dying Nightmares in order to nerf the 55. A normal party should never have trouble on it.

Kain666

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2007

Bran - Romania

TIGG

Mo/A

28 Jun 2008 at 14:35 - 331

I'm CRYING: "Give Specters Signet of Disenchantment!!!" And CHAOS FARM IS OVER!

Tyla

Emo Goth Italics

Join Date: Sep 2006

28 Jun 2008 at 14:45 - 332

^
Killing the actual farm is the wrong way to go. Killing the build is the right way to go.

romeus petrus

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2006

Urgoz Warren

Legion of Doom [LOD] Home of PWNZILLA http://PWNZILLA.guildlaunch.com

28 Jun 2008 at 15:48 - 333

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Originally Posted by Tyla

^
Killing the actual farm is the wrong way to go. Killing the build is the right way to go.

Well one of them will need to be nerfed soon. If people are complaining that Sins are now valuable in PvE and there is no need to nerf SF, then I would argue that the actual chaos plain run itself will need to be nerfed. Either solutions are better than the status quo.

Tyla

Emo Goth Italics

Join Date: Sep 2006

28 Jun 2008 at 15:55 - 334

'Sins are valuable in PvE because of a buff that only made their farming extremely brainless? Infact, made farming more brainless?

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Originally Posted by Me

Godmode skills should never exist.

romeus petrus

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2006

Urgoz Warren

Legion of Doom [LOD] Home of PWNZILLA http://PWNZILLA.guildlaunch.com

28 Jun 2008 at 16:00 - 335

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Originally Posted by Tyla

'Sins are valuable in PvE because of a buff that only made their farming extremely brainless? Infact, made farming more brainless?

I am not arguing about the huge imbalance of SF, I think it should be nerfed. But if anet is concerned about pissing off all the sin players and their new found glory, then the least they should do is nerf the run itself like they did with the 55 UW solo runs.

Tyla

Emo Goth Italics

Join Date: Sep 2006

28 Jun 2008 at 16:04 - 336

And then what about the other farms...?

The Dying Nightmares only made people look. Much like the Charging Blackness do with this farm.

romeus petrus

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2006

Urgoz Warren

Legion of Doom [LOD] Home of PWNZILLA http://PWNZILLA.guildlaunch.com

28 Jun 2008 at 16:12 - 337

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Originally Posted by Tyla

And then what about the other farms...?

The Dying Nightmares only made people look. Much like the Charging Blackness do with this farm.

Hmm, Ive done a lot of 55ing in UW ages ago before and after the DNs, and I've done a few SF runs lately till I got bored of it. I think the DNs made it a lot harder than the blacknesses do. You can easily avoid all blacknesses during the run. Either way as I mentioned, I wouldn't mind either the farm or SF nerfed, as long as it happens soon.

R.Shayne

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2007

29 Jun 2008 at 14:05 - 338

The dying nightmares made people do more than look, it forced them to switch from Shield of Judgement [Shield of Judgment] to Spell Breaker [Spell Breaker] and add a second person.

What will an update to the chaos plains do to the speed clears involving ursans, terra, HB, and permasin?

kostolomac

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2008

Serbia

Me/

29 Jun 2008 at 14:46 - 339

All ursan HM is much more slower than with terras and/or sins. Nerf both (terras and sins) , less ecto , less UW chests are opened due to longer clears etc. ...

romeus petrus

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2006

Urgoz Warren

Legion of Doom [LOD] Home of PWNZILLA http://PWNZILLA.guildlaunch.com

29 Jun 2008 at 14:57 - 340

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Originally Posted by kostolomac

Nerf both (terras and sins) , less ecto , less UW chests are opened due to longer clears etc. ...

I honestly am fine with the terras, they add fun to the run, and you don't see them clearing the entire chaos plains solo in ~25 min like all the sin farmers do. Their effect on ecto farming is not as bad.

As for the UW end chest, you have a valid point.

Lichtenberg

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Sep 2005

Mass Delusion [LARP]

29 Jun 2008 at 16:16 - 341

nerf glyph of swiftness, should only work with elementalist spells

and block path to chaos planes with behemoths everytime.

will stop the mass ecto farming and will force people to use a/me for permasin which takes longer than the a/e

Ate of DK

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2005

Netherlands

None but Fools [nuts]

29 Jun 2008 at 16:32 - 342

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Originally Posted by sickkk

nerf glyph of swiftness, should only work with elementalist spells

and block path to chaos planes with behemoths everytime.

will stop the mass ecto farming and will force people to use a/me for permasin which takes longer than the a/e

Death's Charge will solve your nerf.

(Mentioned that several times now in this thread alone, don't people read what has been posted before?)

Abedeus

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Jan 2007

Niflheim

R/

29 Jun 2008 at 16:36 - 343

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Originally Posted by Ate of DK

Death's Charge will solve your nerf.

(Mentioned that several times now in this thread alone, don't people read what has been posted before?)

You would have to have a place to Death Charge. You can just solve this by making the first group of Behemoths block the passage, and make any monsters spawn far behind, so there is no chance a teleport will work. Wouldn't affect normal teams that would have to kill worms anyway.

Ate of DK

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2005

Netherlands

None but Fools [nuts]

29 Jun 2008 at 16:50 - 344

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Originally Posted by Abedeus

You would have to have a place to Death Charge. You can just solve this by making the first group of Behemoths block the passage, and make any monsters spawn far behind, so there is no chance a teleport will work. Wouldn't affect normal teams that would have to kill worms anyway.

I'll teleport myself into that group. If you do it right than you'll survive. Just like you can teleport right now when they are blocking the way to run past.