Spammable RESS for monks in Pre

Captain Herbalife

Captain Herbalife

Academy Page

Join Date: Jan 2006

Central United States

The Lords of Doom [LOD]

W/Mo

It would make sense, after all they are monks. Why should the "healer" only have the same ress skill as every other class. Plus it would give more cause/use for building a monk in pre ( as in working for LDoA title)

Icy The Mage

Icy The Mage

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2008

Canada

E/

Makes LDoA and Survivor obtainable on the same character. Bad idea.

Enosh Khan

Enosh Khan

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: May 2006

Death's Infernal Evil

Mo/Me

And Why would you need it? Theres no DP in pre so your welcome to go back and try again.

Konig Des Todes

Konig Des Todes

Ooo, pretty flower

Join Date: Jan 2008

Citadel of the Decayed

The Archivists' Sanctum [Lore]

N/

/notsigned the two biggest reasons for not needing it has been stated.

obsidian ectoplasm

obsidian ectoplasm

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2008

Quote:
Originally Posted by IcyFiftyFive
Makes LDoA and Survivor obtainable on the same character. Bad idea.

Not signed...

Kook~NBK~

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2005

A little chalet outside Drok's

Natural Born Killaz

/not signed

Hasn't been needed for 3+ years, not needed now. People were getting to level 20 in pre-searing before the whole title thing was introduced and anyone going for LDoA knows that there's a big commitment and challenge involved in getting it. And they accept the challenge as it is.

N1ghtstalker

N1ghtstalker

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2007

E/

as people said here LDoA and survivor will be too easy and the fact you have no death penalty makes it very easy in pre, just cuz you're too lazy to go from the res shrine djeez
/notsigned

MithranArkanere

MithranArkanere

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Nov 2006

wikipedia.org/wiki/Vigo

Heraldos de la Llama Oscura [HLO]

E/

In Pre?

No. No skills should be added or removed from there unless they allow to go back there.

Tyla

Emo Goth Italics

Join Date: Sep 2006

Legendary Survivor LDoA perma-pre gogo!

quickmonty

quickmonty

Ancient Windbreaker

Join Date: May 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Captain Herbalife
It would make sense, after all they are monks. Why should the "healer" only have the same ress skill as every other class. Plus it would give more cause/use for building a monk in pre ( as in working for LDoA title)
Because in pre you are a newb and havent' learned how to ressurect yet.


/notsigned

Ambuu

Ambuu

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2006

Hey, let's add a skill trainer while we're at it?

/nosign

Elite God

Elite God

Academy Page

Join Date: Jun 2007

The Island Below Shing Jea Monastary

Forever Knights

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by IcyFiftyFive
Makes LDoA and Survivor obtainable on the same character. Bad idea.

QFT

/notsigned

=) *imagines a Monk with a full bar of rezes*

Emissary of Xunlai

Academy Page

Join Date: Nov 2005

Yeah and add heros and henchies while at it.

/not signed

The Meth

The Meth

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2007

R/

Pre Searing needs ursan.

(This thread is already bad enough that I don't feel mentioning this skill will cause it to degenerate further.)

Vilaptca

Vilaptca

Pre-Searing Vanquisher

Join Date: Jun 2005

Fifteen Over Fifty [Rare]

Do we even have spammable ress's in GW?

So are you saying they should make a new skill available to monks in pre that is spammable and resurrects characters?

I would say LDoA is the reason we will never see a reusable rez in pre.

Kanyatta

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2006

Guildless, pm me

R/Mo

Pre has been around for 3+ years. It has never had a hard rez, and imo, it has never needed one. I really don't think its such a ZOMG HUUGE part of the game to justify adding more stuff to it now.

/notsigned

RotteN

RotteN

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2005

W/

not signed for obvious reasons mentioned above

(specially the LS/LDoA thing)

willypiggy

willypiggy

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2006

D/Mo

Pre Searing needs a Xulnai chest.

/end sarcasm

/notsigned, read above posts, cba quoting.

zelgadissan

zelgadissan

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2008

The Warrior Priests [WP]

Me/Rt

Quote:
Originally Posted by Vilaptca
Do we even have spammable ress's in GW?
[Flesh of My Flesh]

Obviously not on a Prophecies character, but, you know. No recharge in PvE = spam city.

On topic, /notsigned for obvious stated reasons above.

BabyJ

BabyJ

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2006

Illinois

SFG

Mo/

Throw in some elite skills! gogogo!

Sir Tificate

Academy Page

Join Date: Jan 2007

I don't really have an opinion on this, but I want to ask...

Exactly what is wrong with being able to get LS and LDoA on one character, anyway?

Sparks Dawnbringer

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Oct 2005

Los Angeles

none

E/Mo

/not signed Seems a bit silly to me as there is no DP. You seem to loose the point that Pre is there for you to learn the basics of the game and how to use a few basic skills for your character. Now, I know we all have a couple of characters that stay there but it's for fun and games and maybe for the giggles of trying to get someone to level 20. You can each carry a res and you get unlimited res for no DP. Come on don't be foolish.

NYC Elite

NYC Elite

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Feb 2007

A/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir Tificate
I don't really have an opinion on this, but I want to ask...

Exactly what is wrong with being able to get LS and LDoA on one character, anyway?
You mean besides pissing off the thousands that sacrificed LS to get LDoA and vice-versa? Or besides pissing off the thousands who will then cry how Tyrian characters will have an easier time with KoaBD title track? Or besides changing the mechanics of a 3 year old system?

Sir Pandra Pierva

Sir Pandra Pierva

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2007

Sardelec yelling at Tenshi

Angels Of Strife

E/

roffle nothing in that case if you ignore those

Age

Age

Hall Hero

Join Date: Jul 2005

California Canada/BC

STG Administrator

Mo/

I would tend to disagree with most of all of you and support this Idea as it puts Prophecies on par with Factions and Nightfall as they get thiers earlier.It would be nice to see the skill ressurect as quest reward offered to Monk.

I would have restorelife as quest reward in Post instead.

Think of it this way imagine if you had to wait untill you got off the Islands to get your hard resses.I am not sure what type of res the OP wants but resserect I will support.

Hyper Cutter

Hyper Cutter

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2006

Knights of the White Eye [HINA]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir Tificate
Exactly what is wrong with being able to get LS and LDoA on one character, anyway?
Because now Tyrians can get an extra title that Canthans and Elonians can't (even if they have access to Tyria)?

Age

Age

Hall Hero

Join Date: Jul 2005

California Canada/BC

STG Administrator

Mo/

They could introduce a Legendary Defender of Elona and Cantha if they make to lvl 20 without leaving the Island.

BabyJ

BabyJ

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2006

Illinois

SFG

Mo/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Age
They could introduce a Legendary Defender of Elona and Cantha if they make to lvl 20 without leaving the Island.
You do realize that getting to lvl 20 in pre takes months and months, cantha and elona takes a few hours don't you?

Targren

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2007

Primeval Warlords[wuw]

R/

/Notsigned

Screw Perma-pres. Giving them LDoA was bad enough of an idea. No need to give them access to LS too

Lykan

Lykan

Forge Runner

Join Date: May 2005

StP

R/

Why are you so bad you need constant resses in pre??


Quote:
Originally Posted by Hyper Cutter
Because now Tyrians can get an extra title that Canthans and Elonians can't (even if they have access to Tyria)?
OH NOES ITS UNFAIR!!

Newsflash, Anet wants you to buy their products...

Solas

Solas

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Oct 2006

Ireland

Currently LF Active HA Guild, Glad 2, Comm.3, R2

E/

Amazingly we managed without it for the last 3 years i think we can cope without it now.

It would also allow LS and LDoA

Covah

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2006

Ontario, Canada

Catching Jellyfish With [소N트T ]

Me/Rt

With the new Dev update titles in your HoM will be account wide. So you can get LDoA on one character, put that statue in your HoM. And your legendary survivor character will have that statue in his HoM as well. But if this is about your Epeen and having 2 titles on one char then /notsigned who cares?

BabyJ

BabyJ

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2006

Illinois

SFG

Mo/

The whole point is, there has never been a rez in pre in the past 3 years so why would there be a need for one now? Unless that lvl 1 river scale is really giving someone problems.

Theres only 2 quests where you actually need a person to tag along so majority of the time people go around solo so theres another reason for no need for a hard rez. The 2 mutually exclusive titles is just a tip of the reason why there is no need for a hard rez in pre. I don't think a persons epeen and the HoM has anything to do with the reasons for not needing a hard rez in pre.

MithranArkanere

MithranArkanere

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Nov 2006

wikipedia.org/wiki/Vigo

Heraldos de la Llama Oscura [HLO]

E/

Unlinke FActions, Propheces and Nightfall which are connected and hould be 'square and equal' where possible, pre-Searing is encapsulated.

Even if they allowed characters to go back, they would have to prevent players 'back there' to drop or pick items to keep the encapsulation.

pre-Searing has a slightly different set of rules. Something to be kept unless a mayor change in it was be made.

Dograzor

Dograzor

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2006

The Netherlands

The Circle of Life (AURA)

E/

/notsigned for obvious reasons

Captain Herbalife

Captain Herbalife

Academy Page

Join Date: Jan 2006

Central United States

The Lords of Doom [LOD]

W/Mo

Not really seeing the connection of a spammable ress to getting LS.
I have 2 LS now and I didn't "cheat" as most people do to get them.
I was looking for a way for the MONK class to be called for more in
pre. The entire game is player-monk challenged now with the advent
of heros. It has become a lost class unless built for Elite Farming(55)
or bonding in elite areas. Doesnt anyone miss the days of player monks?
I guess that I must live in the 2D world with everyone else and just
accept that the monk as a player class is just not needed anymore.

Jenn

Jenn

Resigned.

Join Date: Sep 2006

I don't think the ability to have LDoA and Survivor on the same character is a valid reason to not have a hard res. In fact, that logic makes no sense - on characters you can have all sorts of titles! I think it would be very cool to be able to legitimately have both, but I don't think survivor should be easy. That being said, for aNet to implement a fair system to obtain both is beyond their concerns right now for GW1.

To make a long story short,
/not signed.

Red Sand

Red Sand

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Mar 2008

New England

Warriors of Wynd [WoW]

W/

This thread is ridiculous.

Captain Herbalife

Captain Herbalife

Academy Page

Join Date: Jan 2006

Central United States

The Lords of Doom [LOD]

W/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by Red Sand
This thread is ridiculous.
Posting something as non-constructive as this is rediculous.

Lady Lozza

Lady Lozza

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2005

Oz

Angel Sharks

Me/N

Quote:
Originally Posted by Captain Herbalife
Not really seeing the connection of a spammable ress to getting LS.
I have 2 LS now and I didn't "cheat" as most people do to get them.
I was looking for a way for the MONK class to be called for more in
pre. The entire game is player-monk challenged now with the advent
of heros. It has become a lost class unless built for Elite Farming(55)
or bonding in elite areas. Doesnt anyone miss the days of player monks?
I guess that I must live in the 2D world with everyone else and just
accept that the monk as a player class is just not needed anymore.
Ok, the issue people are having is not getting LS, but getting LS and LDoA. In case you didn't know you cannot currently get LDoA and LS, because to get LDoA you have to death-level. If perma-res was available in pre, a team of two could do the follow-
#1 player death-levels the creatures in question, and
#2 player resses #1 and eventually kills the death levelled creatures for the xp.
In this manner it would be possible for a Tyrian character to gain LS and LDoA which in theory should be impossible. I think with the GH glitch it may have been possible to get both, but I'm not sure.
TBH I've no problem with the whole 2 titles deal - but I also understand that others do. LDoA is for Tyrian characters what LS is for others (ok not quite but close enough since others don't have access to it).

Secondly, pre is basically a single player area. I really don't know anyone who players with other players except for the two quests where a companion is necessary - or in matters of business transactions. Pre is single player because it is easy. Since it is single player no perma-res is needed.

Thirdly, since heroes many players play with heroes and hench rather than pugs. This is just a reality you will have to get used to. Even before heroes I played either with guild/alliance members or with henchies. Why? My experience with pugs has (generally) been bad. I could say this is true for a good proportion of the GW player base. People don't like to pug. Doesn't matter if you are a monk or a mes or a ele or whatever. Heroes are better that real players 99% of the time - and the other 1% is called guild and FList.