There's not much point in asking someone to ping their build if the person asking can't see past the wiki to tell whether it's an effective build or not.
What's fun is when the party leader asks for your build and when you ask for theirs, they either don't show it or kick you. I figure that I've got as much of a "right" to know how good his/her skill bar is as they have to mine. Besides, it's also quick and easy way to tell whether the party leader is a jerk or not.
"Ping build k?"
Kook~NBK~
Nessar
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Originally Posted by Kook~NBK~
What's fun is when the party leader asks for your build and when you ask for theirs, they either don't show it or kick you. I figure that I've got as much of a "right" to know how good his/her skill bar is as they have to mine. Besides, it's also quick and easy way to tell whether the party leader is a jerk or not.
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JoeKnowMo
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Originally Posted by Tyla
It's because HB is the strongest form of healing in the game. Infuse excluded. And it so happens that Ursans shouldn't need prots, aswell as consumables being present.
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phan
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Originally Posted by Pleikki
For me they do :/ they allwyas want me to use echo mending with frenzy healsig
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dilan155
i for one really dont care what the monk bring as long as he is efficient, hell he can bring WoH if he wants as long as he knows how to heal.
sibelang
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Originally Posted by EPO Bot
No, i just use my own build because i like to have a style of my own instead of being identical to every other monk in the game. That's what i like about the giant spellbook of GW after all.
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sure sure... u r great... and who cares?! as long know what todo all fine, or at least tell the truth if its the 1st time or still need experience... but most ppl say him self pro after 1-2 times... lol...
if so then
Alt+F4 is my friend
Squishy ftw
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Originally Posted by EPO Bot
So what i do is pinging the cookie cutter build to them and then quickly change it into the build i feel like using.
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If you join a pug you either do as the party leader says, or leave the group to make your own 'superiour' one.
If the party leader is clearly a moron, try to convince him into using your 'better' build, if he stays ignorant, leave.
I'd put people like you on my 'not-to-play-with' list.
MithranArkanere
Of course. I always do that. My builds work always better, so they never notice.
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Originally Posted by MithranArkanere
Of course. I always do that. My builds work always better, so they never notice.
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byteme!
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Originally Posted by Kikuta
Right. Nevermind the mobs of 8 enemies you'll frequently see in PvE...
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byteme!
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Originally Posted by EPO Bot
So what i do is pinging the cookie cutter build to them and then quickly change it into the build i feel like using.
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EPO Bot
No, you won't. You will be too busy spamming your ursan skills. The thing is, you won't notice because the game will still go smooth as butter.
Bottom line: Cookie cutter builds drastically reduce the lifespan of the fun in GW. It get's stale after using them six times in a row. Too bad most people don't like to play the game, they just want the rewards.
Bottom line: Cookie cutter builds drastically reduce the lifespan of the fun in GW. It get's stale after using them six times in a row. Too bad most people don't like to play the game, they just want the rewards.
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Originally Posted by EPO Bot
No, you won't. You will be too busy spamming your ursan skills. The thing is, you won't notice because the game will still go smooth as butter.
Bottom line: Cookie cutter builds drastically reduce the lifespan of the fun in GW. It get's stale after using them six times in a row. Too bad most people don't like to play the game, they just want the rewards. |
EPO Bot
Have you even been paying attention? I was still using a HB build, just not the exact same copied from Wiki. No petsmiting at all.
Always exaggerating stuff...
Always exaggerating stuff...
byteme!
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Originally Posted by EPO Bot
No, you won't. You will be too busy spamming your ursan skills. The thing is, you won't notice because the game will still go smooth as butter.
Bottom line: Cookie cutter builds drastically reduce the lifespan of the fun in GW. It get's stale after using them six times in a row. Too bad most people don't like to play the game, they just want the rewards. |
EPO Bot
That's only worth complaining about if the mission fails. And it never does.
byteme!
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And it never does.
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Brother Andicus
This thread is an epic failure.
Anyone that has played PvE in the last few months should already know the following facts.
1) More Ursans = more winning
2) If you dont have at least R9 Ursan you are clearly a n00b and should quit GW.
3) There is only 1 type of monk(HB). The GW client should prevent monks loading any other bar when in PvE areas.
4) The only other remotely useful class is Necro.
5) Preferably Necro's should run Ursan......
6) The iQ of each Ursan falls by 0.1% every time they activate Ursan
7) The iQ of every party member falls by 0.1% every time they are under the effects of a full consumable set.
8) If you want to play PvE using some imagination and skill whilst still interacting with other players find yourself a decent guild.
Anyone that has played PvE in the last few months should already know the following facts.
1) More Ursans = more winning
2) If you dont have at least R9 Ursan you are clearly a n00b and should quit GW.
3) There is only 1 type of monk(HB). The GW client should prevent monks loading any other bar when in PvE areas.
4) The only other remotely useful class is Necro.
5) Preferably Necro's should run Ursan......
6) The iQ of each Ursan falls by 0.1% every time they activate Ursan
7) The iQ of every party member falls by 0.1% every time they are under the effects of a full consumable set.
8) If you want to play PvE using some imagination and skill whilst still interacting with other players find yourself a decent guild.
byteme!
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Originally Posted by Brother Andicus
This thread is an epic failure.
Anyone that has played PvE in the last few months should already know the following facts. 1) More Ursans = more winning 2) If you dont have at least R9 Ursan you are clearly a n00b and should quit GW. 3) There is only 1 type of monk(HB). The GW client should prevent monks loading any other bar when in PvE areas. 4) The only other remotely useful class is Necro. 5) Preferably Necro's should run Ursan...... 6) The iQ of each Ursan falls by 0.1% every time they activate Ursan 7) The iQ of every party member falls by 0.1% every time they are under the effects of a full consumable set. 8) If you want to play PvE using some imagination and skill whilst still interacting with other players find yourself a decent guild. |
Brother Andicus
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Originally Posted by byteme!
I admire your sarcasm but I think you're not getting the point. The OP says he's gonna do 1 thing then turns around and does another just to fit in. He could easily start his own group but would rather be dishonest about it.
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Once he achieves point 8 the whole thing will become a non-issue
kostolomac
@EPO Bot: Your build can be the best , but it doesn't change the fact that you lied to the people you play with. I don't ask people to ping their build to look at icons , I use that when I make mine to max the effectiveness of the team. Your actions gimp the team unless it's an ursan.
Div
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Originally Posted by Tyla
I'd rather use one of the strongest energy management skills in the game over a sub-par one that is only up ~90% of the time.
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byteme!
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Originally Posted by kostolomac
I don't ask people to ping their build to look at icons , I use that when I make mine to max the effectiveness of the team. Your actions gimp...
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Dante the Warlord
Lol well i got kicked once for having healing seed over seed of life. NOW thats a WTF! I rarely use healing seed anyways, it stinks since i run UW HM speed runs where you have 2 ursans.
Alleji
ITT scrubs delude themselves that their unique and beautiful snowflake of a build is better than well-known and proven bars.
If you want to switch a utility skill on your bar, let the leader know and if he's reasonable and that skill isn't somehow the cornerstone of the build, he won't care. In fact, a good leader will tell you it's better to customize the bar to what you're more comfortable with.
If you want to run something substantially different, make sure it's ok with the leader or GTFO.
If you want to switch a utility skill on your bar, let the leader know and if he's reasonable and that skill isn't somehow the cornerstone of the build, he won't care. In fact, a good leader will tell you it's better to customize the bar to what you're more comfortable with.
If you want to run something substantially different, make sure it's ok with the leader or GTFO.
Hailey Anne
This is why I don't pug.
I can get through anything with ease with my own builds and H/H while pugs fail with there "proven to work" wiki builds.
I can get through anything with ease with my own builds and H/H while pugs fail with there "proven to work" wiki builds.
JoeKnowMo
I've argued with a few leaders on Ursan runs and it's 50/50 as to whether they'll let me run my uber badass LoD build. If they disagree, I play HB and then if anyone dies or we wipe, I'll say, "That wouldn't have happened if I had my LoD bar. But whatever... if you guys like to die..." :P
PUGs bring out my mature side.
PUGs bring out my mature side.
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Originally Posted by holymasamune
I like running sub-par monk bars. Why else would you have shadow walk-iron palm-dash on a monk bar? :S
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Dr Strangelove
So, people who are running ursan are deeply concerned with the nuances of build construction down to the slightest variation in skills?
That makes sense.
That makes sense.
A11Eur0
I don't mind variations, just don't refuse to run a superior build just out of spite. I have an alliance member who refuses to run HB at all. Well, doing a HM dungeon we were dying left and right because of it. He brought his hero monk, both running WoH builds, and no Seed of Life. Party members were dying left and right. The dude even mentioned halfway through that he was having trouble getting his heals cast on time.
Kusandaa
I ask people to ping bars. Why? 'Cause I got ****ed over majorly in some spots. I've learned, over the time, that people will not bother bringing key skills when needed (myself included... everyone makes mistakes). I ask guys to run at least something effective, but I fail to see how HH+HBreeze+Mending+Vig. Spirit is effective on a warrior in FoW. And I've seen it. I dunno, bring defensive skills and let the monk do his/her job... with the ton of ench. shattering in there you'll only make it worse :|.
Ele with Searing/Tenai's Heat, Savannah Heat, Firestorm, Breath of Fire... IN URGOZ? No. Just no. Heavy scattering = party wipe.
I've seen a guy wanting to "arcane echo Healing Breeze or WOH". How effective is that?
And people wonder why we check builds.
If I asked someone to run something effective and suited for the area, I really won't complain. He's running Glyph of Renewal+MS? SF? Dual Attune fire build? All the power to you if I need fire damage... but if I'm facing destroyers I'm expecting them to run water, air, earth...
I run WOH-based builds without problems... I have heroes running WOH as well and really, I don't see a lot of differences with HBoon builds. Personally, I run HBoon with Ursans and I alternate between ZB hybrids, WOH and HBoon outside. No one in my alliance ever complained, a guildie and I run similar builds and really, I can't say we've ever wiped due to lack of heals.
At Mallyx I run WOH 'cause I can't use HBoon there, so when you need the most it's a waste of an elite spot. No enchantments either, so goodbye SOL and Holy Haste (which I tend to run with WOH). I've had 3 monks running the same bar and we didn't fail - mostly alliance groups are FTW.
My typical WoH build:
WoH, Dwayna's Kiss, Words of Comfort, GoLE, Cure Hex, Dismiss Condition, Holy Haste, Res chant. With those heals I have no problem for recharge, I can spam them if needed, I have little to no need for e. management depending on what I'm doing (at most I have 5 sets of weapons, I run with a -5e by default, I have up 70-something energy on my highest)...
Ele with Searing/Tenai's Heat, Savannah Heat, Firestorm, Breath of Fire... IN URGOZ? No. Just no. Heavy scattering = party wipe.
I've seen a guy wanting to "arcane echo Healing Breeze or WOH". How effective is that?
And people wonder why we check builds.
If I asked someone to run something effective and suited for the area, I really won't complain. He's running Glyph of Renewal+MS? SF? Dual Attune fire build? All the power to you if I need fire damage... but if I'm facing destroyers I'm expecting them to run water, air, earth...
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I don't mind variations, just don't refuse to run a superior build just out of spite. I have an alliance member who refuses to run HB at all. Well, doing a HM dungeon we were dying left and right because of it. He brought his hero monk, both running WoH builds, and no Seed of Life. Party members were dying left and right. The dude even mentioned halfway through that he was having trouble getting his heals cast on time.
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At Mallyx I run WOH 'cause I can't use HBoon there, so when you need the most it's a waste of an elite spot. No enchantments either, so goodbye SOL and Holy Haste (which I tend to run with WOH). I've had 3 monks running the same bar and we didn't fail - mostly alliance groups are FTW.
My typical WoH build:
WoH, Dwayna's Kiss, Words of Comfort, GoLE, Cure Hex, Dismiss Condition, Holy Haste, Res chant. With those heals I have no problem for recharge, I can spam them if needed, I have little to no need for e. management depending on what I'm doing (at most I have 5 sets of weapons, I run with a -5e by default, I have up 70-something energy on my highest)...
Proud Elitist
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Yichi
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Originally Posted by holymasamune
I like running sub-par monk bars. Why else would you have shadow walk-iron palm-dash on a monk bar? :S
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zwei2stein
Sooo ... much ... failure ...
"my snowflake is superior" + "build changing asshole" + "ursan" ?
"my snowflake is superior" + "build changing asshole" + "ursan" ?
fenix
If you are missing any of the following;
Healers Boon, Seed of Life, Healing Seed, Heal Party
Then you should not be playing HB. Those are the reason Ursan is so strong. High HP and high Armor level means damage will be low, the Seeds will provide HUGE heals to everyone, and Heal Party catches overflow.
Healers Boon, Seed of Life, Healing Seed, Heal Party
Then you should not be playing HB. Those are the reason Ursan is so strong. High HP and high Armor level means damage will be low, the Seeds will provide HUGE heals to everyone, and Heal Party catches overflow.
EPO Bot
Some people here don't seem to realize the reason why i am forced to "lie": It's impossible to find any party without cookie cutter builds. The same players who whine on the boards about ursan are also the same to kick you for replacing healing seed with divine intervention because you chose to try 16 DF and 13 HP for a change, wile they really don't need to because DI has some obvious other benefits in high damage areas. Ursan has to go, but at the same time any atempt to be creative is bashed into the ground by the exact same people.
Anet stands before an impossible task i think.
Anet stands before an impossible task i think.
Squishy ftw
You're not forced to lie. You choose to do so yourself.
If you don't want to run the build the partyleader gives you than gtfo and make your own group.
Or better yet, stop pugging and play with decent players who might understand why you want to make certain changes to a build.
If you don't want to run the build the partyleader gives you than gtfo and make your own group.
Or better yet, stop pugging and play with decent players who might understand why you want to make certain changes to a build.
Avarre
If you want to run your own build, make your own group. Group leader is in charge, always. It's been this way since 2005.
fenix
Yeah, stop trying to blame the efficiency of ursan-way for the reason you are too stubborn to run that specific build. If you want to win the game, just use the cookie cutter. It obviously works, and probably better than your build anyway.
zwei2stein
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Originally Posted by EPO Bot
Some people here don't seem to realize the reason why i am forced to "lie": It's impossible to find any party without cookie cutter builds.
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hehe, DLDU
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Originally Posted by EPO Bot
The same players who whine on the boards about ursan are also the same to kick you for replacing healing seed with divine intervention because you chose to try 16 DF and 13 HP for a change, wile they really don't need to because DI has some obvious other benefits in high damage areas.
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Originally Posted by EPO Bot
Ursan has to go, but at the same time any atempt to be creative is bashed into the ground by the exact same people.
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That is reason why Ursan came to be: assholes which don't know enough to make good builds who use bad builds from wiki and manage to mod then to be even worse.