"Ping build k?"

EPO Bot

EPO Bot

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2006

Mo/N

Like i said: The only time you should whine about my builds (never the same twice, but always sinergizing) is when the mission fails. Doesn't happen.

samifly

samifly

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Dec 2005

Girl Power [GP]

Mo/Me

Sorry but someone who says "Cookie-cutter build" alot sends off alarm bells in me.

And, no, I have never changed a build purposly to piss off the group leader because I am so impressive at GW that I know better than all.

Argue with the GL and if your right you'll convince them if they are smart. If they are dumb, the exercise will be a failure anyways.

EPO Bot

EPO Bot

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2006

Mo/N

The party "leader" never even knew i had changed anything. And i did this little "trick" only once in more then two years of constant monking. Sometimes you get bored right?

Ok i had enough, this wasn't a serious-intended topic anyway.

fenix

fenix

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Join Date: Aug 2005

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If you have only done this once in 2 years, do you REALLY think it was worth making a thread about?

I mean, maybe if you did it REGULARLY, but once? I think not.

Tyla

Emo Goth Italics

Join Date: Sep 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by EPO Bot
Like i said: The only time you should whine about my builds (never the same twice, but always sinergizing) is when the mission fails. Doesn't happen.
Just because something works doesn't stop it from being bad unless it's high level play.

And I also agree with Fenix...

NoXiFy

NoXiFy

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2007

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The Benecia Renovatio [RenO]

Mo/Me

I've been using Air of superiority as energy management. It's nice cause you might get the all skills rechage bonus so that you can re-seed everyone, plus every one of the bonuses helps (Except 2x exp.). Losing all condition most of the time is really nice too seeing as some places have condition pressure.

moriz

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Join Date: Jan 2006

Canada

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"you are NOT a beautiful and unique snowflake. you are just a piece of decaying organic matter, JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE!"

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JoeKnowMo

JoeKnowMo

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Oct 2005

Wessst Siiide, USA

Mo/

Quote:
Originally Posted by EPO Bot
Some people here don't seem to realize the reason why i am forced to "lie": It's impossible to find any party without cookie cutter builds. The same players who whine on the boards about ursan are also the same to kick you for replacing healing seed with divine intervention...
[Divine Intervention] is awful because once you put it on a player you're hoping they take fatal damage so that it triggers. So you stop healing the player while the other monk is spamming away heals on that player and running low on energy.

Quote:
Originally Posted by fenix
If you are missing any of the following;

Healers Boon, Seed of Life, Healing Seed, Heal Party

Then you should not be playing HB.
GoLE should be on the list too.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr Strangelove
So, people who are running ursan are deeply concerned with the nuances of build construction down to the slightest variation in skills?

That makes sense.
GW needs a Monken Blessing skill. You press the skill and your bar becomes the standard HB bar.

byteme!

byteme!

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2006

On Earth

W/P

Quote:
Originally Posted by EPO Bot
Like i said: The only time you should whine about my builds (never the same twice, but always sinergizing) is when the mission fails. Doesn't happen.
Sorry but you're a liar. (albeit you're being FORCED TO LIE) I'll take that quote with a grain of salt.

Divine Intervention? When is it ever a good idea to use this? Synergy? WHAT!!!!?

EPO Bot

EPO Bot

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2006

Mo/N

Quote:
Originally Posted by byteme!
Sorry but you're a liar. (albeit you're being FORCED TO LIE) I'll take that quote with a grain of salt.

Divine Intervention? When is it ever a good idea to use this? Synergy? WHAT!!!!?
How about "When you suddenly see someones health plop down from 100%to 10% during a big fight and there is no time to cast anything with a longer warmup and a seed will not be instant enough"? You would be surprised how good this works with 16 DF. (i use 16 DF in DoA because it makes seed of life even better, yes, i never leave home without it when i do HM DoA) You quickly need to follow with a 5 nrg heal spell tough. DI is all about getting that one extra half second. You might have known that if you didn't rely purely on wiki HB all the time but instead tried something different once in a wile. But that's something you just can't do anymore lately since everyone "knows how it's done". Of course the game gets boring and repetitive.

Tyla

Emo Goth Italics

Join Date: Sep 2006

If a health bar managed to wither from 100% to 10% that fast it's because of an overaggro.

Jiao Yang

Jiao Yang

Lunar Rabbit

Join Date: Dec 2005

EPO Bot..

Firstly, what build do you prefer to bring, and what is the build uploaded to wiki that you say they want you to bring?

You should consider that maybe the build you want to take isn't as much of an improvment as you think it is.

If it turns out you do have a better knowledge of how to run a good monk bar, and these teams are being stupid, don't play with them. They're bad players.

EPO Bot

EPO Bot

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2006

Mo/N

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tyla
If a health bar managed to wither from 100% to 10% that fast it's because of an overaggro.
Exactly. That happens a lot in Ursan parties. Better be prepared otherwise they die and you get the blame. I need to repeat again that if someone asks for HB i bring HB on my bar, i just prefer to have a tiny bit of freedom with the skills that are not HB, HP and SoL. Personally, i would bring 2 HB and one protect monk to DoA, but people are so conditioned to having three identical HB monks they just get pissed when you even suggest one or two changes .

"Your skill will be your legend?" more like "Your bar will be your playright."

Zesbeer

Zesbeer

Banned

Join Date: Oct 2007

LLJK

i never ask what people are running in fear that its a really crappy build but i do ask for heroes don't know why i do that, i guess its cuz i know that if they have a crap ass hero then i can just be like ok let me bring myen.

Tyla

Emo Goth Italics

Join Date: Sep 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by EPO Bot
Exactly. That happens a lot in Ursan parties. Better be prepared otherwise they die and you get the blame. I need to repeat again that if someone asks for HB i bring HB on my bar, i just prefer to have a tiny bit of freedom with the skills that are not HB, HP and SoL. Personally, i would bring 2 HB and one protect monk to DoA, but people are so conditioned to having three identical HB monks they just get pissed when you even suggest one or two changes .

"Your skill will be your legend?" more like "Your bar will be your playright."
That "Your skill will be your legend" thing was outdated since Factions, and Ursan takes no skill anyway.

If your health withers from 100% to 10% that fast, a 30 second recharge enchantment won't save you.

Sniper22

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by The Red Messenger
i think monks should be replaced by healing potions in GW2. this is one of the many things diablo 2 did right =)
Hope thats sarcasm... no potions is why I love GW.

You wanna know how to solve this problem? Don't play Ursan.

Trub

Trub

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Mar 2006

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sniper22
Hope thats sarcasm... no potions is why I love GW.

You wanna know how to solve this problem? Don't play Ursan.
*whips out that huge bag of marshmellows*
B U R NNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN!!

Quote:
Originally Posted by fenix
If you are missing any of the following;

Healers Boon, Seed of Life, Healing Seed, Heal Party

Then you should not be playing HB.
^ Read what he said.

Age

Age

Hall Hero

Join Date: Jul 2005

California Canada/BC

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Mo/

I will run what I feel like as the wiki one dones't have a condition or hex remover.I would suppose non of them would show you thier bar to see if they have res of some kind cause they expect you to do it doing the cleaning up.

I guess they haven't heard of Protective Spirit and Aegis for some protection.

Tyla

Emo Goth Italics

Join Date: Sep 2006

^
Prots are kinda weak in Ursan, as usually cons sets are used. That's roughly 800 health per Ursan, so PSpirit is kinda weak.

fenix

fenix

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Join Date: Aug 2005

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Cure Hex for hexes, can't remember about conditions. Either way, things like that aren't what make Ursanway strong. The offense is so huge that things attacking you won't matter after you spam seeds and heal party a couple times. If you're seeing targets explode, that's why you have skills like Heal Other. Under HB, it's better than infuse.

Even though I feel Ursanway is cheapening the game, at least PLAY IT RIGHT. Don't try and make your own custom changes to a build that has already been perfected.

Tutis Evito

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2006

England,UK

Incredible Edible Bookah [YUM]

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I have done the same on occassions....pinged the cookie cutter build then chnaged it.,..eg remove rebirth...im a monk for cure hex if i know its a hex heavy area,take out healing seed for non ursan grps as this is a waste...etc etc

JoeKnowMo

JoeKnowMo

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Oct 2005

Wessst Siiide, USA

Mo/

Quote:
Originally Posted by fenix
Don't try and make your own custom changes to a build that has already been perfected.
It's a build that has been perfected for bad players. Not that I consider Divine Intervention an improvement. But Shield of Absorption, for e.g., on a high-armored target getting hammered would produce a ton of zeros rather quickly. And it has a recharge of 10s instead of the 30s of Divine Intervention. But it has a 1s cast time and is not the "Oh Shit!" button that Divine Intervention is... so the monk actually has to think a little and pre-prot.

But SoA won't make it into the standard Ursan group because Ursans don't know wtf it does and Ursan monks won't be able to use it right because "wtf!! this skill sucks! it doesn't make red bar go up..."

fenix

fenix

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Which is exactly why you don't mess with Ursanway bars. It was made BY idiots, FOR idiots. It's super easy wins, and if you're going to run it, you might as well just run the copypasta builds and do it right.

pumpkin pie

pumpkin pie

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Join Date: Jul 2006

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bumble bee

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at first I cannot understand why players need other players to be using a certain cookie cutter build or any build that they desire. Players are human being, they are not your AI heros. If you like to play with other real people, one should at least give these "other real life player" a chance to use their build is my humble opinion.

What is the game becoming that players have to use trickery to get into a pug group?

Legendary Shiz

Legendary Shiz

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kikuta
Right. Nevermind the mobs of 8 enemies you'll frequently see in PvE...

Channeling is great for any caster in PvE.
lolbadplayer

Trylo

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2006

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E/R

so at first i thought this topic was just silly because ive never had a problem with people saying my HB build sucks use the pvxwiki. so i look up healer's boon on pvxwiki, and the builds actually suck. like 5 out of 8 of the skills in each one i would switch, except for the HA one which was surprisingly decent skill wise for full heal HB, however the attributes were crap. i can definitely see why you would not want to use them, however switching a skill after you pinged your bar is just dirty and foul play. if your bar was actually good i would hope someone on your team would stick up for you, otherwise i would just leave and make my own or join another.

Jebus

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2006

Belgium

Legion of Sacred Light [LSL]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Legendary Shiz
lolbadplayer
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allience

allience

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2005

Mo/Me

i don't rly have problems with pugs telling me my skillbar. i join, communicate with the other monk, adjust bar according to the area and ping. if there are complaints, i explain my choice and if there's still complaints, i'm likely to flash them the phoenix and leave :P

FlamingMetroid

FlamingMetroid

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Sep 2007

standing on your last control point, while the rest of your team is to busy killing mine

The Luminaries [Lumi]

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lolpugs
we have guilds and heroes for a reason

byteme!

byteme!

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2006

On Earth

W/P

Quote:
Originally Posted by EPO Bot
~snip~
Divine Intervention has a recharge of 30s. Is that supposed to be good? I cannot for the life of me see a reason to use it. If someone goes from 100%-10% health in the blink of an eye it's "their" fault for getting themselves into that situation. I would not put DI on my bar for the "off chance" I get an idiot on my team. Rather bring Aura of Faith and set them straight instead.

MrSlayer

MrSlayer

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2006

United Kingdom

Quit Whining And [PLAY]

Mo/

I like to make sure my group ping

Because we had a sin with Mending, Watchful Spirit and Live Vicariously in his bar. I told him he wasn't exactly what we were looking for, and kicked him. (hey no need to be an asshole to someone).

angmar_nite

angmar_nite

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Feb 2007

[SNOW] of [YUM]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Koudelka
It's funny how unobservant ursans are. I usually pop into a group with my M/R Healer's Covenant build, and they don't even think twice about asking me to ping my build. In general, people that ask others to ping are insecure.
As far as their concerend you could have either a competent build (if that's your idea of competent) or you could have a ferocious beastmaster that uses a bow by night and sword by day.

fenix

fenix

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You have to take into account, for the most part Ursan players are the worst of the worst. They simply did some grind for rank 10 Norn, but they are still the kinds of players that you would NEVER want in pugs. They just have it easy now, so don't need to think about skills.