Rollerbeetle Racing Guide : Namkey + Yuri

Nente

Nente

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2007

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Ok got a couple questions

1. What is the best way to start (saving the most time for the whole race)?
2. If I do have echo+SRB, should i even go in the big lake or go around?
3. Am i the only one never getting the box before the spiral hill?

Yuris Sayuri

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2008

MoO, Glad, Boo

Mo/W

Did u ever take a look on Namkeys picture?

Reading ftw! Rest is already answered.

Nente

Nente

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2007

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yes i did look at the pic but it seems like when i do ram first i loose time

BTW: nice 484

Yuris Sayuri

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2008

MoO, Glad, Boo

Mo/W

As u can see on the picture... nobodys gonna take the box before the spiral bridge... and u always have to go through the water with the combo. There are 3 ways to start which were already explained here. Each start has his pros and contras, decide which one u prefer.

Nente

Nente

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2007

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ok so i guess i am only hitting 2 boxes assuming i get echo and srb from them, and should that get me in top100 if i do rest right?

Martin Alvito

Martin Alvito

Older Than God (1)

Join Date: Aug 2006

Clan Dethryche [dth]

If you:

1) Do one of the advertised starts
2) Get the combo
3) Follow the instructions on the map after that
4) Don't get knocked down or rubberband backwards

then you should make top 100.

Namkey's map is sub-optimal. You need a very clean run to make top 100 with that map. There's a reason that namkey got booted out of the top 100 during the first beetle weekend after he posted that map - the absolute top end score using power-ups exactly as described is very near 476,000. Alternate starts can improve on that by a couple of seconds. The rest of the additional time you can find is later in the course.

If you want to beat Yuri, you'll have to experiment with where you trigger power-ups in order to save time.

Yuri - did that last bit I told you get you the 484, or did you find the extra second with the method you described?

Yuris Sayuri

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2008

MoO, Glad, Boo

Mo/W

Lol! Sry, Martin, I have to disappoint u!

I was testing ur method and its like i told u..its a wasting of ram, just use dash immediatly after cp2.

It was a "late-ram" run ... but ... ._. i ruined it... told ya i have to practise.
Ram was too early .... so i did only get like 55% speed these 2 secs.
Made 2 mistakes at all.

But it was a improved (u have to change ur playstyle if u get superstart) "red-superstart".

Well, there's still room for improvement... gogo 485

Lain Akazukin

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2007

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Martin Alvito
Now, Yuri and Lain hold Ram until very, very late. I've never had success with this, but they seem to be getting to the boxes at the same time I do with the very late Dash, so to each his own.
Actually I alternate between ram at gate and dash before turn and between saving my ram for after the turn. If I start at the left side I usually prefer to ram out of the gate because I rarely seem to get a clean start if I save my ram there. Saving it can be faster though if everything goes well. I have seen 16 seconds at cp1, 29 at cp2 and 36 at water during one of my races (no superstart and no echo-srb that time though ). During my 482.5k time I started left so I rammed out of the gate, and I didn't even get echo-srb out of the first two boxes so actually didn't expect a great time. But ironically the left cow box gave me the lucky 2nd srb I needed for a nice time. All in all not a perfect race, I could see at least 2 seconds of improvement there.

cosyfiep

cosyfiep

are we there yet?

Join Date: Dec 2005

in a land far far away

guild? I am supposed to have a guild?

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lag got me...then I got stuck in the final stairs...was in 2nd...couldnt even finish....couldnt get out of the stair!
(oh yeah and rubberbanding is much more fun.....one time I was going the wrong way on the track when I popped back ....think my rollerbeetle career is over).

aaje vhanli

aaje vhanli

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2006

I'm always a fan of Rollerbeetle Racing, and usually get first or second in a race, but the lag and rubberbanding this year is so ridiculous I can't even complete a match.

aNet really needs to do something about this issue.

(No it's not my computer or internet connection because GW is the only game I ever get lag in)

coil

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2007

thanks for all the tips

my only problem besides the horrid lag (200 ping is green??) is the fact that resigning results in a dishonourable hex....that is retarded.

so far i'm getting 450+ but nothing higher than 464. then again i'm not great at racing games...make me a fps minigame anet

Yuris Sayuri

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2008

MoO, Glad, Boo

Mo/W

lol.... Its fkn late and they're too stupid to fix their servers.... gn8 guys... its unplayable

Chthon

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Apr 2007

Anyone care to explain "ram dash ram" to me?

Martin Alvito

Martin Alvito

Older Than God (1)

Join Date: Aug 2006

Clan Dethryche [dth]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Yuris Sayuri
Lol! Sry, Martin, I have to disappoint u!
Hardly disappointed, just curious as noted. You had a theory, I had an alternate theory, and I haven't been around to test yours, so I have to rely on your experiences.

As noted, I haven't had much luck pulling the super start. The red beetle is innately faster simply due to racing lines and slope of the first hill; the relative ease of the super start from that box makes things sort of silly.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chthon
Anyone care to explain "ram dash ram" to me?
This refers to:

Ram prior to gate 7 to get up the hill quickly
Dash at gate 7
Ram the last two seconds

Yuri is correct that this fails. There's a better way; if everything is done properly you'll never dip below 80-90% after the long water stretch, and that only happens for a second or two.

Another tip: it is VERY commonly the case that changing only one thing about your run will not improve your times. Often times you have to make more than one change, or reason back all the way to the point when an SRB is used, in order to optimize the run.

I detest the degradation in server quality as everyone and his aunt begins to log into Nine Rings over the weekend. I hate Nine Rings for that reason, and I just don't see why people have always been willing to pay money to make a skilless pink bar go up. Much less why they would choose to spend events making a skilless bar go up when they could make a skilled bar go up instead. (This was the case even before they added lockpicks.)

But to each his own, I suppose...

"Bridge Ate My Score" is such a great name, by the way. So many times when pinging 250+... /rage

Pure Disasta

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Dec 2006

Ive been consistently following the steps on the map and the best time I have reached even with srb is 462, what could i be doing wrong? My ping is fine and no rubber banding.

Minami

Minami

Site Contributor

Join Date: Jul 2008

Dallas, TX. USA

Not in any guild at the moment

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I have been racing at the Canthan New Year event, and also this one, but I'm about to give up ever making it to the list.
I just raced for 7 straight hours, and I got 1 superbeetle powerup, no echo, during the entire time... I slow down way too much on bridges, especially on the loopy one. I cannot make a higher score than 450k, even with following the guidelines.

What can I do?

I don't want to make the list for bragging rights, only to get the special something they give you at the end if you make it

1 up and 2 down

1 up and 2 down

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Mar 2007

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Minami Kaori
I have been racing at the Canthan New Year event, and also this one, but I'm about to give up ever making it to the list.
I just raced for 7 straight hours, and I got 1 superbeetle powerup, no echo, during the entire time... I slow down way too much on bridges, especially on the loopy one. I cannot make a higher score than 450k, even with following the guidelines.

What can I do?

I don't want to make the list for bragging rights, only to get the special something they give you at the end if you make it
They only give you the special gift at the Canthan New Year festival. Shame they don't give it at the Dragon Festival also.

Nainoa

Nainoa

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2008

USA

ARMY

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Wow, you people are taking this thing way too seriously! Go outside and enjoy the weather or something not on a computer.

Lain Akazukin

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2007

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Martin Alvito
Ram prior to gate 7 to get up the hill quickly
Dash at gate 7
Ram the last two seconds

Yuri is correct that this fails. There's a better way; if everything is done properly you'll never dip below 80-90% after the long water stretch, and that only happens for a second or two.
As I said before in this thread, I never dip below 80-90% either using the above method so I don't think it fails.

Yuris Sayuri

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2008

MoO, Glad, Boo

Mo/W

I think its only working pretty well if ure rly fast. It doesnt make any difference then.

Fril Estelin

Fril Estelin

So Serious...

Join Date: Jan 2007

London

Nerfs Are [WHAK]

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Just did 470k with 2 SRBs, amazing! I want to thank Yuri for that! Since I read this guide, I now perform 200% better and am starting to understand the RRPM mechanics.

Btw, I noticed that after I use an echo a bit after checkpoint 4, the echo icon "ligthens" after checkpoint 5. Do you know why?

Yuris Sayuri

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2008

MoO, Glad, Boo

Mo/W

No, actually not.

I never noticed that. Does it happened more than once?

Fril Estelin

Fril Estelin

So Serious...

Join Date: Jan 2007

London

Nerfs Are [WHAK]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Yuris Sayuri
No, actually not.

I never noticed that. Does it happened more than once?
Yeah, quite frequently. Here is what happens: after the bridge after checkpoint 4, I echo Dash and then use the echoed version just before checkpoint 5; at the end or just after the end of the spiral, icon 6 ligthens as if I finished using it (though it's been disabled since my last use).

Minami

Minami

Site Contributor

Join Date: Jul 2008

Dallas, TX. USA

Not in any guild at the moment

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Mhh, I thought they give present this time too >_<
Well anyways, I need to get better no matter what, for the next Canthan New Year. :P

merc Arno

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Apr 2007

The Crows Nest Guild

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Yuris Sayuri
- Checkpoint 2: U can take the s-curve as tight as possible. Lagg wont throw u back there.
I actually jump back alot there and ping isn't over 200.

Yuris Sayuri

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2008

MoO, Glad, Boo

Mo/W

Sometimes u even lagg while racing straight on.... that races arent meant.

Scheda

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Feb 2007

I always wondered about one thing... it's silly but I'm nevertheless interested in it.

The timer starts with 600,000 points at the beginning of the race and then goes down by 1,000 points until you reach the finishing line.
Anyone ever tried out what happens if the points hit 0 before someone reaches the goal?

Lain Akazukin

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2007

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Fril Estelin
Yeah, quite frequently. Here is what happens: after the bridge after checkpoint 4, I echo Dash and then use the echoed version just before checkpoint 5; at the end or just after the end of the spiral, icon 6 ligthens as if I finished using it (though it's been disabled since my last use).
Well I have that too, it's just the timer running out on the echo but it has no effect on your race or anything.

I experience many rollbacks at the two boxes in the water at the cave (with nobody around even), and even more so at the start when all the beetles are still close to you. I often find myself clear ahead of the pack when suddenly I jump back stuck behind a slow ass beetle I thought I had already passed...

Minami

Minami

Site Contributor

Join Date: Jul 2008

Dallas, TX. USA

Not in any guild at the moment

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I think I'm giving up. I probably wasn't meant to make it to the list, and the SRBs and Echos are seem to be avoiding me like there's no tomorrow. Not one of those today.
Thanks for all the nice tips Yuris and Namkey (and anyone else sharing their observations and tips), at least my hopes were up for a few hours.
I might try all this again once Anet fixes their laggy minigame, and make it more even for everyone.

Thanks again everyone. ^_^

Fril Estelin

Fril Estelin

So Serious...

Join Date: Jan 2007

London

Nerfs Are [WHAK]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Lain Akazukin
I experience many rollbacks at the two boxes in the water at the cave (with nobody around even), and even more so at the start when all the beetles are still close to you. I often find myself clear ahead of the pack when suddenly I jump back stuck behind a slow ass beetle I thought I had already passed...
Exactly the same with me, it happened 2 or 3 times today. As said before, that's not the race that was meant to be. When I got lucky with echo+srb and no lag, I'm still stuck at 470k. I'm wondering where I'm missing the extre 2 or 3k...

ElinoraNeSangre

ElinoraNeSangre

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Mar 2006

Near Seattle, WA

Talionis De Cineris [EXUR]

N/Me

Meh I think I give up, too. I went in to race today and had to wait for files to download, and the next thing I know I have "dishonorable" status. Guess it's a crime to download files. That or someone is just being a jerk.

MoriaOrc

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Feb 2007

The issue there is:
Anyone not in the race when the start timer hits zero is forced to quit when they load in.
+
Anyone who quits gets 5 points of dishonorable.

Of course you had to have 5 points from somewhere else, but it's still a bad system that punishes first time players (who need to download) and those with slow computers/connections (though they probably won't be doing well anyway).

ElinoraNeSangre

ElinoraNeSangre

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Mar 2006

Near Seattle, WA

Talionis De Cineris [EXUR]

N/Me

It happened after I tried to load in twice; for some reason it forced me to load both times. But it's good to know that it's not just crappy people and just a funky mechanic.

DutchSmurf

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2006

I guess I'm just unlucky. The one time I get an echo and a sb in the first 2 boxes, I already had a 3 second lagspike at the start. And then other 2 second lagspike at the last gate. End time just 4 seconds short of top 100....

Scheda

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Feb 2007

Okay, since I was fed up with the bad reputation Rollerbeetle Race now seems to have, I recorded some of my runs.
One of them got quite good in the end and I put it on Youtube...

Rapidshare

As everyone can see, there is no bug abusing or whatever involved in this, it's just the use of 5 skills.

Kanyatta

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2006

Guildless, pm me

R/Mo

I have a few questions:

1. How do you know when to use harden shell? On the rare occasions that I do get an Echo+SRB, I still can't post a time above 465k because of the constant Spit rocks and Rollerbeetle blasts, and at the first 2 checkpoints, I always get kd'd by noobs using Ram specifically for that purpose.

2. Since ~50% of the boxes I pull, I get a Distracting Lunge, should I not use these? Or should I just burn them at random or what? Also, about 10% of my boxes give me nothing, even if I currently have no power ups. Is this a glitch or does Jesus hate me?

DutchSmurf

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2006

Something else I noticed. Is it just me or do the chances to get an Echo increase if you already have one? Can't count the times I got 2-4 echos in one run.

coil

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2007

Quote:
Originally Posted by Scheda
Okay, since I was fed up with the bad reputation Rollerbeetle Race now seems to have, I recorded some of my runs.
One of them got quite good in the end and I put it on Youtube...

Rapidshare

As everyone can see, there is no bug abusing or whatever involved in this, it's just the use of 5 skills.
wow thanks a lot for that

whats weird is whenever i use ram i get a really large decrease in rrpms....but you dont realy lose much.....

itznitro

Academy Page

Join Date: Dec 2005

We are your friends

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Anyone else notice that the records chart has been glitchy/ not working lately? I've gotten a few scores that have yet to be posted. I earned the scores about 15-30 minutes ago

bennya7x

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Dec 2007

Mo/

yeah me too, i had a score of approx 472 591. and i should be in the #100th spot.

but nope...i guess not.

Yuri, you have any other secrets you're not telling us, you've got quite a prestigious score going on.