TeamSD Quad Terra UW HM (The Fullblown Guide)

I'd like to point out that I've discussed the 2n+1a/n a little with Damaged Spirit. I have an idea that could possibly work, with:

1 necro bringing SS and the usual
1 UA necro bringing well of the profane

SS would sacrifice himself at the tank spot in vale (die to enemies). UA raises WoP and resurrects SS. SS rezzes at full energy. Thus he can run his chain, then sac again. End result, no enchantments on foes. Assassin doesn't need to bring Chilblains and can run a more offensive build. He could possibly bring Blood Ritual for the UA (who will probably spec in Curses and Death). Ebon Escape if aggro while running in is an issue.
I would like to clarify something here. Back when we were clearing the vale with the A/N and the 2 necros we never had much of a problem getting the Wrathful Spirits quest done, as long as we were all in vent so we could coordinate our actions properly. The most dangerous part of doing this quest is the fact that these angry little buggers use [illusionary weaponry], which [shadow form] does not protect against. It is for this reason that these 3 players each have [chilblains] on their bar, otherwise the sin tank will die. The potential difficulty here is if these 3 players do not chain their chilblains properly, since the wrathful spirits are pretty quick to get their enchantments back up. Darkstone Construct and I would let Rifte Torin (our tank) call for the chilblains as they were needed. So as a team that was used to playing with each other we had it running pretty smooth.

I haven't been paying too much attention to the whole UWSC scene lately so I do not know if the masses of pugs are faring well with our method of clearing the vale or not. If they are having a low success rate with our build because of IW, perhaps Moloch's idea should be looked into for better enchantment control. The WotP necro would then have to be specced decently into death magic and not curses (with death at 16 [well of the profane] lasts 21 seconds) which would probably require a totally revamped bar with perhaps [ether nightmare] and [cry of pain].

It comes when the Spirits recast IW because Well of the Profane only prevents targeted enchantments from being cast and well in the case of IW, it does not target. This kills the entire idea. Bad thing that I didn't think of this.

How about trying Order of Apostasy?

Main reason I'm discussing this is I think it would be good if the vale team didn't need to bring 3 copies of Chilblains and be limited to A/N for the assassin.

This way the A could go A/D with a scythe for AoE enchantment removal when needed and higher damage. One N could possibly give him strength of honor too.

The N UA is, unfortunately, in my opinion completely outclassed by Me/Mo or Mo/Me UAs.

*claps* the invinci builds once again rule the speed uw clear.

wonder if anet will ever change back to the idea the game was based upon.

what was it called again... oh yea. TEAMWORK. I dunno, that looks like a full team to me...?

I will always prefer UA to FoC in a pug group unless I personally have run with the terras multiple times and know that they do not suck. Even with UA the vale team shouldn't take more than 20 minutes or so, which to me, is an acceptable time for pugs given the extra amount of safety it provides. I am sick of needing 2 cons and tons of res scrolls just because of all the noobs now sitting in ToA american D1... And I also agree that the Me/Mo (or Mo/Me) is far superior than the necromancer UA builds out there Don't blame anyone for being a noob, you were one once. And what do you expect? How is ANYONE ever going to learn how to run UW HM without going in. And who has the money to get that many failed consets? Im sorry, but you cannot get anyone "experienced" without throwing them in there and forcing people to play through the different runs.

Stand on the edge on where the reaper is then Deaths charge to the terrorwebs.. should be easy enough with a little practice on timing Aww just tried it, either my timing suks or it doesn't work anymore.
I haven't seen people use it in a while actually.

the problem is that people just see a build online and think "oh, i can do that without ever trying it." i'm just saying that practice does make perfect. you can go into UW by yourself and practice. that's what i did. after seeing so many chamber sins fail, i practice, got better, and figured out where and how to pull. that's all i'm asking. i know it's alot and it probably won't happen.

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p.s. you only need an essence, if that to practice. if you can do it without a cons, how good would you be WITH cons? That is only for a sin, but with a terra you need grail of might as well. I have been attempting to see if any other cons might work i.e. candy corns+candy apples, but i have yet to recieve any of those cons. But yes, its a LOT harder then it looks and a lot of the people trying this run don't have enough money for that. It will be at least 10 runs to finally understand the run. Thats 50k+ the money you spend on making the armor/skills/weapons/mods and of course time and effort put in.

So what do you expect anyone to do? Lie of course... Being a sin and doing chambers is not the same as being a terra and attempting pits/wastes/pools. First, your job happens at the very entrance, meaning you can fail a lot, yet still practice. With terra sometimes they may get lost and die while trying to practice. Second, sins don't need grail of might to pull off SF, their Shadow arts can go as high as 16, whereas a terra needs a +1 attribute to survive and maintain SF.

All i am saying is that its a bit easier to do SF with a sin in financial regards. Its no cakewalk, but you can easily get where you wanna be and at least kill one or two guys. So you can make ectos to pay back you essence.