Do you have any honour left?

So I'm doing Mallyx with a pug and nobody wants to use cons. In fact none of the others have a con set and like most of the time it will be me using a set for free. They offered to pay me 1K each though. I agreed to put up the cons when we enter and after they paid me.

Some of them wanted to see the cons first, two of them paid me. I show the cons and two guys keep on telling the group it's a scam. That was enough, I give the players (who paid) their money back and the battle begins. One of those two tards (a monk) dies instantly cause he doesn't even have a vigor rune on his armor he told us afterwards. I fast res him without risking the team and put the cons up afterall, cause I felt we wouldn't make it without them.

Someone asked who put the cons up. 'Who do you think?', I responded. Those two I talked about earlier said:' You're too cheap for that'. The others realised I indeed put up the cons and wanted to pay me after which I told the group it's on the house (it was a matter of principles to me). We succeeded and back in town I see those two players who called me names etc. selling one armbrace each. Whatever.

Morale of the story, I salute all players who still have honour left, we may be naive but we're men of our word.

ah, many who play now are without honor, but there are a few of us GW players who do have honor. you did the right thing by making it on the house, and ignore those morons who are too stupid to realize when someone is being nice. Probably because they dont understand the concept

thanks goodness, i thought this would be one of those "zomg noob have honor and stand still while i wail on you with my warrior! kiting is for sissies!" threads :P
ppl in group farming like DoA might tend to come off as cheap sometimes because they are, after all, there to make money. their distrust is sometimes warranted though as it's likely that they've had experience with people who did exactly what they thought you might do.

I'm all out of honor, spent it all to buy armor.

Yay for those of us who don't care about doing elite areas. Too many corrupt people there.

i try to be nice and show honor however sometimes i /rage at idiots i just cant help it

When I read the thread title, I thought it would be a PvP question.

Glad it isn't, because I can put in my say other then "that's why I stopped PvPing" .

I won't say if I have honor or not, I'll leave that for others to decide. I never ran into a situation like that. I usually try to stay away from PuGs (which prevents me from doing elite areas ) in order to avoid people like that.

If I was put in that situation, I wouldn't even ask for money to begin with. In game money isn't an issue to me as long as I know it is put to good use, so using a con set without getting paid, doesn't bother me, especially since when I did guild elite groups, I had to use con sets and never got paid anyways.

I will say, that if I was a person in that group, I would have paid you for the con set anyways, even after it was "on the house."

Same thing with tip runners. When I run I get from 0g from people (they just leave, no thank you either, ) to 5x the payment. When I get ran, I usually pay the regular price, a little more if others leave without paying, unless the runner was a jerk (has happened to me a lot) then I either pay half the regular price, or just say thank you and leave.

Same for me, some idiots just go to far , but that doesn't mean I don't try to be nice.

Unlike most people, I at least attempt to show a good example.

I fail to see how this has anything to do with honor.

i'd consider this to be a more appropriate reason to say "that's why i stopped AB, RA, TA, and HA"
from my personal experience people from europe tend to use the word honor quite a bit more than i would.
hope this doesnt come off as offensive to any europeans, it's not meant to.

my pve honor is much larger than yours

The honour to not scam people when you offer a con set. The honour (honor in usa, tx Inde ) to pay 1k for a set when you say you will pay. It works both ways. Don't know how to explain it exactly, maybe it's something in the lines of chivalry or another example would be the samurai and their honour code.

Sometimes you meet a player ingame and you feel this honour. Giving up personal gain for the succes and wealth of the whole party. Those players fight till the end and will sacrifice themselves for the group if needed. They stick around if things don't work out the first try. It's a joy to play with people like that and I apreciate them.

Anyway, maybe someone else can explain it better. But you can always lock the thread.

Can you feel my honour?

I play with much honour.

If I wanted to lock the thread, I would have done so already. I leave that task to another supermod, they've left enough threads for me to deal with.

The title and closing sentence talk about honor, but the majority of the post is about how two people refused to pay for a conset and how you were nice enough to use the conset anyway. Being nice isn't the same as having honor.

from my experience chivalric codes and honor systems are disregarded by americans, including myself, more than people from some other parts of the world; i'll admit that i couldn't care less whether people might consider what i'm doing to be morally right, especially on the internet where my real life reputation is not immediately in danger.
im assuming savio is american, as i do with everyone unless i have information to confirm otherwise, and that he too fails to see why you chose to describe the people's actions in your story as dishonorable.
edit: savio's last post confirms what i suspected, even if i might have communicated what i suspected inadequately and he disagrees

Then I fail. I'm not a saint or playing nice guy either, but I'm a man of my word.

No need to lock the thread, it's one of the few recent threads that are not QQ threads. And, to help that comment, I shall give my explanation.

To start out, look at the typical dictionary definition of Honor:
(there are more meanings but those are the only that relate to this).

Honesty and fairness, that is what Gun Pierson showed when he offered the con set on the house, despite being called a scammer and dealing with - to be blunt - idiots. To go with the second meaning, he distinguished himself in the group by being nice when it wasn't needed nor requested. I would say that was honor, although not the type of honor most people think of (such as honor on the battlefield or being a hero), but it is still honor.

Hope that helps explain what it has to do with honor.

I have honor whenever I PvE. Heck, even in RA, I always have honor.


It's because I always put "Strength and Honor" on my bar. Wammo for the hardcore.

Yep. Very few americans (note, I said "few" and not "all") have a code of honour. I believe honour in MMOs degraded when the games moved away from instant justice.

In Ultima Online (11 years old MMO, 260k active players), a player who doesn't play with honour usually is left for dead and your body looted. You'd get PKed too if you're not careful.

In SWG, your reputation goes down and you'll find yourself playing alone or without customers.

This game has little consequences. You still gain loot if youre dead, you get rezzed after completing an elite mission, loot is assigned, there are no PKs around to keep you honest and there's no official player-based economy (what we have is an unoffical, secondary market. Blackmarket if you will ... for those of you who'd argue.)

You also have a LOT of young people playing this game, particularly americans who don't know a thing about honour/honor. If you play in asian or european servers, you'd see it more often ... but in american servers, during peak time ... fugheddaboutit.


Vlad the Mad.

Here's how I see having honor. If you're that player walking around in a set of Obsidian armor and still trying to suck every piece of gold out of players then your no better than a pile of shit. If you're just trying to get by with 1.5k armor and don't have a whole lot then you don't have to be totally cheap, but you want to make gold just like anyone else. I don't know about other people, but when I have even just 1.5k or 75k armor that's when I give people a brake or just sell things to get rid of them because I honestly don't care and if it makes that new player happy then so be it.

Honor - honesty, fairness, or integrity in one's actions. the dictionary version, and what they taught in the Service. That fits well with what the OP did. He showed integrity in helping out the team as much as he could, though it cost him. He did it because, even though they may have been eager to bail out of the bargain, he kept his side.

Remember, it may be "just a game", but most of the time, the way people act here, they act IRL, or would if they could get away with it. Karma's a bitch.

Oh, to those who said the US has less honor...tell that to the French and Germans who discriminate against Muslims in their countries, the raiders in Darfur, the EU's racist look towards Turkey, the myriad countries raping the Congo, the Chinese with Tibet... the US isn't alone in this deficit. It's a HUMAN problem.