So I'm doing Mallyx with a pug and nobody wants to use cons. In fact none of the others have a con set and like most of the time it will be me using a set for free. They offered to pay me 1K each though. I agreed to put up the cons when we enter and after they paid me.
Some of them wanted to see the cons first, two of them paid me. I show the cons and two guys keep on telling the group it's a scam. That was enough, I give the players (who paid) their money back and the battle begins. One of those two tards (a monk) dies instantly cause he doesn't even have a vigor rune on his armor he told us afterwards. I fast res him without risking the team and put the cons up afterall, cause I felt we wouldn't make it without them.
Someone asked who put the cons up. 'Who do you think?', I responded. Those two I talked about earlier said:' You're too cheap for that'. The others realised I indeed put up the cons and wanted to pay me after which I told the group it's on the house (it was a matter of principles to me). We succeeded and back in town I see those two players who called me names etc. selling one armbrace each. Whatever.
Morale of the story, I salute all players who still have honour left, we may be naive but we're men of our word.
Do you have any honour left?
Gun Pierson
dilan155
ah, many who play now are without honor, but there are a few of us GW players who do have honor. you did the right thing by making it on the house, and ignore those morons who are too stupid to realize when someone is being nice. Probably because they dont understand the concept
Rhamia Darigaz
thanks goodness, i thought this would be one of those "zomg noob have honor and stand still while i wail on you with my warrior! kiting is for sissies!" threads :P
ppl in group farming like DoA might tend to come off as cheap sometimes because they are, after all, there to make money. their distrust is sometimes warranted though as it's likely that they've had experience with people who did exactly what they thought you might do.
ppl in group farming like DoA might tend to come off as cheap sometimes because they are, after all, there to make money. their distrust is sometimes warranted though as it's likely that they've had experience with people who did exactly what they thought you might do.
Antheus
I'm all out of honor, spent it all to buy armor.
Shayne Hawke
Yay for those of us who don't care about doing elite areas. Too many corrupt people there.
RavagerOfDreams
i try to be nice and show honor however sometimes i /rage at idiots i just cant help it
Konig Des Todes
When I read the thread title, I thought it would be a PvP question.
Glad it isn't, because I can put in my say other then "that's why I stopped PvPing"
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I won't say if I have honor or not, I'll leave that for others to decide. I never ran into a situation like that. I usually try to stay away from PuGs (which prevents me from doing elite areas
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If I was put in that situation, I wouldn't even ask for money to begin with. In game money isn't an issue to me as long as I know it is put to good use, so using a con set without getting paid, doesn't bother me, especially since when I did guild elite groups, I had to use con sets and never got paid anyways.
I will say, that if I was a person in that group, I would have paid you for the con set anyways, even after it was "on the house."
Same thing with tip runners. When I run I get from 0g from people (they just leave, no thank you either,
) to 5x the payment. When I get ran, I usually pay the regular price, a little more if others leave without paying, unless the runner was a jerk (has happened to me a lot) then I either pay half the regular price, or just say thank you and leave.
Same for me, some idiots just go to far , but that doesn't mean I don't try to be nice.
Unlike most people, I at least attempt to show a good example.
Glad it isn't, because I can put in my say other then "that's why I stopped PvPing"
.I won't say if I have honor or not, I'll leave that for others to decide. I never ran into a situation like that. I usually try to stay away from PuGs (which prevents me from doing elite areas
) in order to avoid people like that.If I was put in that situation, I wouldn't even ask for money to begin with. In game money isn't an issue to me as long as I know it is put to good use, so using a con set without getting paid, doesn't bother me, especially since when I did guild elite groups, I had to use con sets and never got paid anyways.
I will say, that if I was a person in that group, I would have paid you for the con set anyways, even after it was "on the house."
Same thing with tip runners. When I run I get from 0g from people (they just leave, no thank you either,
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i try to be nice and show honor however sometimes i /rage at idiots i just cant help it
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, but that doesn't mean I don't try to be nice.Unlike most people, I at least attempt to show a good example.
Savio
I fail to see how this has anything to do with honor.
Rhamia Darigaz
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I fail to see how this has anything to do with honor.
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hope this doesnt come off as offensive to any europeans, it's not meant to.
FireFox
my pve honor is much larger than yours
Gun Pierson
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I fail to see how this has anything to do with honor.
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) to pay 1k for a set when you say you will pay. It works both ways. Don't know how to explain it exactly, maybe it's something in the lines of chivalry or another example would be the samurai and their honour code.Sometimes you meet a player ingame and you feel this honour. Giving up personal gain for the succes and wealth of the whole party. Those players fight till the end and will sacrifice themselves for the group if needed. They stick around if things don't work out the first try. It's a joy to play with people like that and I apreciate them.
Anyway, maybe someone else can explain it better. But you can always lock the thread.
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I play with much honour.
Savio
If I wanted to lock the thread, I would have done so already. I leave that task to another supermod, they've left enough threads for me to deal with.
The title and closing sentence talk about honor, but the majority of the post is about how two people refused to pay for a conset and how you were nice enough to use the conset anyway. Being nice isn't the same as having honor.
The title and closing sentence talk about honor, but the majority of the post is about how two people refused to pay for a conset and how you were nice enough to use the conset anyway. Being nice isn't the same as having honor.
Rhamia Darigaz
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The honour to not scam people when you offer a con set. The honour (honor in usa) to pay 1k for a set when you say you will pay. It works both ways. Don't know how to explain it exactly, maybe it's something in the lines of chivalry or another example would be the samurai and their honour code.
Sometimes you meet a player ingame and you feel this honour. Giving up personal gain for the succes and wealth of the whole party. Those players fight till the end and will sacrifice themselves for the group if needed. They stick around if things don't work out the first try. Anyway, maybe someone else can explain it better. But you can always lock the thread. |
im assuming savio is american, as i do with everyone unless i have information to confirm otherwise, and that he too fails to see why you chose to describe the people's actions in your story as dishonorable.
edit: savio's last post confirms what i suspected, even if i might have communicated what i suspected inadequately and he disagrees
Gun Pierson
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The title and closing sentence talk about honor, but the majority of the post is about how two people refused to pay for a conset and how you were nice enough to use the conset anyway. Being nice isn't the same as having honor.
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Konig Des Todes
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To start out, look at the typical dictionary definition of Honor:
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hon·or Audio Help [on-er] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation –noun 1. honesty, fairness, or integrity in one's beliefs and actions: a man of honor. 2. a source of credit or distinction: to be an honor to one's family. |
Honesty and fairness, that is what Gun Pierson showed when he offered the con set on the house, despite being called a scammer and dealing with - to be blunt - idiots. To go with the second meaning, he distinguished himself in the group by being nice when it wasn't needed nor requested. I would say that was honor, although not the type of honor most people think of (such as honor on the battlefield or being a hero), but it is still honor.
Hope that helps explain what it has to do with honor.
AmoebaInfectionTechnique
I have honor whenever I PvE. Heck, even in RA, I always have honor.
It's because I always put "Strength and Honor" on my bar. Wammo for the hardcore.
It's because I always put "Strength and Honor" on my bar. Wammo for the hardcore.
VladDrakken
Yep. Very few americans (note, I said "few" and not "all") have a code of honour. I believe honour in MMOs degraded when the games moved away from instant justice.
In Ultima Online (11 years old MMO, 260k active players), a player who doesn't play with honour usually is left for dead and your body looted. You'd get PKed too if you're not careful.
In SWG, your reputation goes down and you'll find yourself playing alone or without customers.
This game has little consequences. You still gain loot if youre dead, you get rezzed after completing an elite mission, loot is assigned, there are no PKs around to keep you honest and there's no official player-based economy (what we have is an unoffical, secondary market. Blackmarket if you will ... for those of you who'd argue.)
You also have a LOT of young people playing this game, particularly americans who don't know a thing about honour/honor. If you play in asian or european servers, you'd see it more often ... but in american servers, during peak time ... fugheddaboutit.
Vlad the Mad.
In Ultima Online (11 years old MMO, 260k active players), a player who doesn't play with honour usually is left for dead and your body looted. You'd get PKed too if you're not careful.
In SWG, your reputation goes down and you'll find yourself playing alone or without customers.
This game has little consequences. You still gain loot if youre dead, you get rezzed after completing an elite mission, loot is assigned, there are no PKs around to keep you honest and there's no official player-based economy (what we have is an unoffical, secondary market. Blackmarket if you will ... for those of you who'd argue.)
You also have a LOT of young people playing this game, particularly americans who don't know a thing about honour/honor. If you play in asian or european servers, you'd see it more often ... but in american servers, during peak time ... fugheddaboutit.
Vlad the Mad.
Thizzle
Here's how I see having honor. If you're that player walking around in a set of Obsidian armor and still trying to suck every piece of gold out of players then your no better than a pile of shit. If you're just trying to get by with 1.5k armor and don't have a whole lot then you don't have to be totally cheap, but you want to make gold just like anyone else. I don't know about other people, but when I have even just 1.5k or 75k armor that's when I give people a brake or just sell things to get rid of them because I honestly don't care and if it makes that new player happy then so be it.
Clarissa F
Honor - honesty, fairness, or integrity in one's actions. the dictionary version, and what they taught in the Service. That fits well with what the OP did. He showed integrity in helping out the team as much as he could, though it cost him. He did it because, even though they may have been eager to bail out of the bargain, he kept his side.
Remember, it may be "just a game", but most of the time, the way people act here, they act IRL, or would if they could get away with it. Karma's a bitch.
Oh, to those who said the US has less honor...tell that to the French and Germans who discriminate against Muslims in their countries, the raiders in Darfur, the EU's racist look towards Turkey, the myriad countries raping the Congo, the Chinese with Tibet... the US isn't alone in this deficit. It's a HUMAN problem.
Remember, it may be "just a game", but most of the time, the way people act here, they act IRL, or would if they could get away with it. Karma's a bitch.
Oh, to those who said the US has less honor...tell that to the French and Germans who discriminate against Muslims in their countries, the raiders in Darfur, the EU's racist look towards Turkey, the myriad countries raping the Congo, the Chinese with Tibet... the US isn't alone in this deficit. It's a HUMAN problem.
nvmu
ugh i was in that group, i was one of the ones that paid u, i fell like such a dumb@$$ because i got an armbrace aswell and it was just scammed from me 30 min ago
Trevor The Wave
wts rawr honor?
...amor honor imo.
...amor honor imo.
garethporlest18
Usually Masamune it's 16-20 year olds who are going through that teenage angst crap and have to QQ and be bastards. Damn teenagers.
I still have honor, but I"m cheap. I'll still pay though if someone asks.
I still have honor, but I"m cheap. I'll still pay though if someone asks.
Konig Des Todes
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Usually Masamune it's 16-20 year olds who are going through that teenage angst crap and have to QQ and be bastards. Damn teenagers.
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Tatile
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Usually Masamune it's 16-20 year olds who are going through that teenage angst crap and have to QQ and be bastards. Damn teenagers.
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That being said, I'm far to lazy to be mean to people. I was raised to be a nice person and going against that just to annoy strangers takes too much effort, I'd much rather get the mission or whatever over with so that I can laze around playing Pokemon while farming.
I'm nineteen as well, but female. I wonder if that has to do with anything. I shall ponder upon this.
Also, to Gun Pierson, I think you did well, standing by your word in spite of the situation. That has honour to me.
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cataphract
I'll never understand the people who rage and refuse to share the cost of a con set in a PUG. I've been doing a lot of HM FoW runs lately, and had... colorful experiences. Groups which I organised had a tendency to be nicer, more enjoyable and more resilient than PUGs I joined.
Few days ago I joined a 5/8 guild group who was looking for 3 players. They wanted those 3 players to have con sets. The other two didn't have them, I had 3 and said "NP, I'll use them but would like people to chip in with 800g per con set". The five guildies concluded that "there's always a freeloader out for profit" and kicked me out of the group.
People like these are the reason I play PvE on American servers. Their logic always makes me lol.
Few days ago I joined a 5/8 guild group who was looking for 3 players. They wanted those 3 players to have con sets. The other two didn't have them, I had 3 and said "NP, I'll use them but would like people to chip in with 800g per con set". The five guildies concluded that "there's always a freeloader out for profit" and kicked me out of the group.
People like these are the reason I play PvE on American servers. Their logic always makes me lol.
SparrowHawk
I think gun, presented his/her thought's well...
What I don't seem to understand, are why various people spammed his thread with things having nothing to do with his initial post. I had to scroll to find the posts of any value regarding what he/she stated.
Are people in need of "Post" counts, that badly?
Perhaps, honor is a long lost art. Gun, you have great perception in the choice you made. ::High fives::
What I don't seem to understand, are why various people spammed his thread with things having nothing to do with his initial post. I had to scroll to find the posts of any value regarding what he/she stated.
Are people in need of "Post" counts, that badly?
Perhaps, honor is a long lost art. Gun, you have great perception in the choice you made. ::High fives::
reverse bass
gw has changed alot over time and i have to say i haven't been in a pug for a long time now
but i think the peops are taking the GAME to seriously
alot of people put others in the dump for their own gain
it used to be like: hey can you help me with a quest
response: ye sure let me first buy a dye remover ^^
i miss it really hard
now ther'e even people from my guild who do the account scam in the ally chat
but i think the peops are taking the GAME to seriously
alot of people put others in the dump for their own gain
it used to be like: hey can you help me with a quest
response: ye sure let me first buy a dye remover ^^
i miss it really hard
now ther'e even people from my guild who do the account scam in the ally chat
Sparks Dawnbringer
I pretty much stay out of the elite areas. Most of the people there take it much too seriously. Screaming,namecalling and bad language just to name a few of the problems. And don't get me started on people who can't play telling other people how to play.
When I do go to the harder areas, I go with one or two friends and hero's. We all share the consets. I never have understood why people who are all working together on a goal feel one player can make a team. Why one player should be excused from bring consets. If your going to use them everyone should share.
When I do go to the harder areas, I go with one or two friends and hero's. We all share the consets. I never have understood why people who are all working together on a goal feel one player can make a team. Why one player should be excused from bring consets. If your going to use them everyone should share.
Shuuda
Honour - A silly word that stands inbetween people and winning. Or used as an excuse to deny a lack of skill, "Oh I was honourable, so I was better even though I lost!"
Atleasts that's what it meaning in a game, but if I ever become a Knight, then I'll care about my honour. Elite areas are pretty lame ayway.
Atleasts that's what it meaning in a game, but if I ever become a Knight, then I'll care about my honour. Elite areas are pretty lame ayway.
Vitues
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So I'm doing Mallyx with a pug and nobody wants to use cons.
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Welcome to the selfish world of Pug players.
Jetdoc
My motto has always been...
"Get honor, stay honor."
"Get honor, stay honor."
Damian979
Honor would be the fact that you used the cons that you offered in the first place. They aren't necessary to play the game, they are for the convenience of saving time.
I can't stand someone using cons and acting like it's a noble, selfless act. It's not like they only affect all other party members, you benefit just as much as everyone else from their "convenience".
I use cons, when I feel it would be beneficial and I won't use them until I am convinced that the team won't crash and burn in the first 5 min, but I never expect to be compensated for using something I chose to bring. If someone wants to say "I'll pay if someone wants to throw up an armor or celerity" then fine otherwise it is my discretion and my cost.
If they are about making money then "WTS consets 7k" is all you need to do.
I can't stand someone using cons and acting like it's a noble, selfless act. It's not like they only affect all other party members, you benefit just as much as everyone else from their "convenience".
I use cons, when I feel it would be beneficial and I won't use them until I am convinced that the team won't crash and burn in the first 5 min, but I never expect to be compensated for using something I chose to bring. If someone wants to say "I'll pay if someone wants to throw up an armor or celerity" then fine otherwise it is my discretion and my cost.
If they are about making money then "WTS consets 7k" is all you need to do.
Orange Milk
I'm with JetDoc 100%
If I steal something then break it, will you go out with me?
Srsly though, I have 3 sets of 15k Honor in my storage.
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Srsly though, I have 3 sets of 15k Honor in my storage.
Mr. Undisclosed
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I think gun, presented his/her thought's well...
What I don't seem to understand, are why various people spammed his thread with things having nothing to do with his initial post. I had to scroll to find the posts of any value regarding what he/she stated. Are people in need of "Post" counts, that badly? Perhaps, honor is a long lost art. Gun, you have great perception in the choice you made. ::High fives:: |
I do know someone who is very honourable...and brave....and courageous, his name is Snow Bunny
kostolomac
There are very few people with honor in GW. If you pug with someone , or even better be in a guild with him you know what I mean. I only pugged with that kind of person once , however I had the luck of being in a guild with one. It's hard to speak about my honor , but I tend to do the right thing.
makosi
Dear Anet, this is why people solo farm.
Sometimes other folk are too much stress to co-operate with so people find ways of earning cash by themsevles. Unnerf solo farming, nerf people.
Sometimes other folk are too much stress to co-operate with so people find ways of earning cash by themsevles. Unnerf solo farming, nerf people.
JONO51
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So I'm doing Mallyx with a pug and nobody wants to use cons. In fact none of the others have a con set and like most of the time it will be me using a set for free. They offered to pay me 1K each though. I agreed to put up the cons when we enter and after they paid me.
Some of them wanted to see the cons first, two of them paid me. I show the cons and two guys keep on telling the group it's a scam. That was enough, I give the players (who paid) their money back and the battle begins. One of those two tards (a monk) dies instantly cause he doesn't even have a vigor rune on his armor he told us afterwards. I fast res him without risking the team and put the cons up afterall, cause I felt we wouldn't make it without them. Someone asked who put the cons up. 'Who do you think?', I responded. Those two I talked about earlier said:' You're too cheap for that'. The others realised I indeed put up the cons and wanted to pay me after which I told the group it's on the house (it was a matter of principles to me). We succeeded and back in town I see those two players who called me names etc. selling one armbrace each. Whatever. Morale of the story, I salute all players who still have honour left, we may be naive but we're men of our word. |
N1ghtstalker
i treat every player the same
want money? go farm it
the only ones i spit on are the low spammers who don't follow the rules of the game
i like keeping my pride and defend it
in real life as in game
want money? go farm it
the only ones i spit on are the low spammers who don't follow the rules of the game
i like keeping my pride and defend it
in real life as in game