Presearing Tips and Questions [Merged]

gotztaplay

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Aug 2006

This is going to sound like a stupid question, but...is there a trick to not dying while doing the final PvP mission from Sir Tydus to enter post searing??? The first time I died, I got put into a party with random people against henchmen who seemed to own us all. The second time, I had henchmen against some other guy with henchmen who still seemed to own my team. The third time I was again in a random party with people against henchmen and we all died. I don't get it lol

Kerwyn Nasilan

Kerwyn Nasilan

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2007

WHERE DO YOU THINK

W/

It is a sshort PvP, it really depends on your level and who you get teamed wih, it is very much winable.

Highlander Of Alba

Highlander Of Alba

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2007

Real Rogue Clan

Rt/Mo

Well the (trick) as you call it is quite simple really


As you await the (pvp)to start all you do is press F12 and hit enter

it takes you out of the game then wait a few mins log back on and you have missed the pvp section and are doing the little misssion to leave pre-sear


Hope this helps you in the future

Masseur

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Dec 2005

Southern California

R/Mo

or make sure you don't leave at level 2 or something. Wait until you've done all the quests and are something like level 6 or 7 at least

crazybanshee

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2006

Look out!

E/

Hmm, if you're getting owned at that little pvp area, maybe rethink your skill selection? It's not a knock, my first toon I left presear as a level 4 ele/ranger with a sword and shield cause I had no clue. Make sure you have some sort of a self heal, either monk secondary or heal sig or whatever you can get in pre.

gotztaplay

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Aug 2006

it's weird, i've never died doing this before, but all of a sudden when i really don't want to die, I do! i usually just take them head on and some how win....but lately i've been getting ganged on by all 4 even if i don't attack first. it's quite annoying really lol it's like they sense i don't want to die!

Nyarlathotep

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2008

Atlanta, GA

ToG

N/E

I am wondering what a good level range is to leave Pre and still be able to solo in Post?

Depending on skills of course, would a Level 9 N/E be sufficient to solo in Post immediately after leaving Pre? ..and forgive me if this post is in the wrong forum

izzywish

izzywish

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2007

Manchester, UK

Carpe Nocte [StN]

R/

Yeah you should have no problems, in fact level 9 was always when I would go Post, though not made a Prophs char in some time.

Kerwyn Nasilan

Kerwyn Nasilan

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2007

WHERE DO YOU THINK

W/

You really are not meant to solo Post, a full team is fairly nessecary in most post areas, unless farming (but don't worry about that)

hooded player

hooded player

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Feb 2007

in the land of butt ass freezing weather

Mo/E

i go to like the chinesse place and then i just go in and no one is there the when you get to ascolon in post go back to american(or wherever) if not just hit F12 and enter and then log back on and ul be fine

Courage!

Courage!

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Apr 2008

Australia

Mo/

this is what i do with my survivors at the pvp area i went backwordsand avoided combat BUT easiest way is to log off then log back on then u dont need PvP startin thing

imnotyourmother

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2008

in a house

The Knitters Guild

W/R

Yes. If you want to get from pre to post without dying check out the wiki on Legendary Survivor title.

I did it on my LS and it works. simply log out as mentioned above and then wait a few minutes or an hour and then simply log back in. Your toon will be with Prince Rurik or in ascalon depending on how long you wait.

imnotyourmother

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2008

in a house

The Knitters Guild

W/R

I was just thinking what is the fastest way to 100K in Presearing.

I know that you can act as a merchant but that can get boring. My mind then turned to Killing Charr Bosses and that is a crap shoot.

So finally my mind went to Hunter's Ale.

Is it possible to get 100K in a reasonable amount of time collecting hunter's ale?

If 2 people ran together and got 1 ale each for the first bear and then again for the second (that is 4 ales) and one ale for the next 3 bears (3 more ales)one one person gets an ale and finally 1 ale each for the last bear (2 ales) that would be 9 hunters ales in total.

Is it possible to do a complete run in 5 minutes? That is to say one person getting 6 ales and the other person 3 ales in 5 minutes.

Has anyone tried this?

I calculated that if you can do 10 runs in an hour or a little over 5 minutes a run you will get 90 ales. So 9000 gold or 4500 gold per person per hour. If trust was not an issue since I would be the person getting 3 ales and the ill gotten booty was split 50/50 then I could get 100K 23 hours. Since I play 4 hours a night that would take me a week give or take.

I am almost lvl 17 war so running and staying alive through the mobs is not a prob.

In actual fact this is 2 people getting 100K at the same time.

Is there a faster way to 100K in pre?

exploiter

exploiter

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2008

ign Punk Isnt Dead

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by imnotyourmother
Is there a faster way to 100K in pre? Yes, just trade post gold for pre gold - this will take few minutes

imnotyourmother

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2008

in a house

The Knitters Guild

W/R

Rats. The link that you have up is blocked for me. I am at work so i can not see the post. Presearing is blocked and so is the wiki that is what I am here posting in this community.

Can you give me the jist of it?

How does trading for post to pre help me?

Is it like if you give me 10K in pre I will give you 15K in post?
Lots of trust involved there. Scam city is where my first thoughts go to.

If that is so then it really is not making money in pre it is just converting money that I have to get in post and bringing it to pre. Sounds complicated and conveluted.

Konig Des Todes

Konig Des Todes

Ooo, pretty flower

Join Date: Jan 2008

Citadel of the Decayed

The Archivists' Sanctum [Lore]

N/

Just so you know, the bear thing can get people 12 ales, when 2 people do it, not 9. It just takes time due to clearing out the way to the bears, one person going back to start the timer, than one person who kills the bear running back.

Once both people are at the hunters, collect your ale. And, it is 6 ales per person, which gets them 600g per run through your method.

Only other method that I can think of would be running as a Gate monkey for a million billion times. Both take a long time, probably just as fast (doing gate monkey takes less time than killing 6 bears, with all those mobs, so the money you gain nets to about the same if constant).

imnotyourmother

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2008

in a house

The Knitters Guild

W/R

While killing mobs sounds good it takes time. If we collect 2 ales each from the first 2 bears that is 4 ales. then one person runs as the other person tries to start the challenge over again. By the time the challenge starts I should be at the third bear. This eliminated the need to kill everything and waist time. After I kill the bear the other person grabs the ale and tries to start the challenge over again. repeat this 2 more times and that is 3 ale more.

From there on the LAst bear I kill it and run back to the hunters and we collect the final ale and resign.

So that total is 3 ales for me and 6 ales for the other person or 9 ales total. It will take at least 3 minutes or more to kill all of the baddies and then run back waisting precious time. The drops are not good at all compared to the northlands.

So it is only 9 ales not 12

Artisan Archer

Artisan Archer

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2007

Free Wind

R/

Maybe something fun to achieve I dunno.

Quickest way is to wait for an event(halloween) that makes monsters drop sweets/alcohol/party items and farm your ass off, that'll get you 100k in no time (sweets = 150-200/point, alcohol=100 and party points can go up to 250-300g)

hurdlebeast

hurdlebeast

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2007

W/Mo-Smashing Beast; Mo-Monk Beast

E/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by Artisan Archer
Maybe something fun to achieve I dunno.

Quickest way is to wait for an event(halloween) that makes monsters drop sweets/alcohol/party items and farm your ass off, that'll get you 100k in no time (sweets = 150-200/point, alcohol=100 and party points can go up to 250-300g) Quickest way, period. Went AFK for 1/2 the Dragon Festival, opened all the presents, and sold everything i could. During Gaile's going away part, I farmed all weekend, attended the events, made 100k plus in one weekend. Payed for my Primeval armor +runes, and then some

crazybanshee

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2006

Look out!

E/

Dumb question here, but as there's no storage in pre, or any way to hold more than 100k, what the heck do you do once you have 100k? Buy some crap? Cause you can no longer merch stuff or pick up items or accept quest rewards or anything.

zelgadissan

zelgadissan

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2008

The Warrior Priests [WP]

Me/Rt

^^
Buy black dyes. It's basically the pre-equivalent of ectos. Roughly 20 black dyes is 100k.

imnotyourmother

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2008

in a house

The Knitters Guild

W/R

Well thanks for responding everyone.

For some it would seem strange to stick around in Pre but if you go back as far as I do and realize that there have been way to many changes that imho dumbed the game down then pre is quite simply the best balanced and most beautiful area in the whole game to pay.

There are titles to get in pre and even a title that no one else can get except a toon in pre. Legendary Defender of Ascalon or LDoA.

That said it would seem like there is nothing to buy in pre that is worth 100K but infact there is.

I want to get a Sundering 18/20 sword with 12-16 damage and 18% dmg when health is above 50% and charrslaying 18%

There is a person trying to sell this now in pre for 35 Black dye. That is 210K.
So although it looks like you can only carry 100K you actually can carry 10,000 black dye or 62 Billion Gold.

Not that this could be a reality for most but it could be.

calamari cruiser

Academy Page

Join Date: Jul 2007

In the Land Of Great Beer

Rock

W/Mo

How are you going to get a 18% dmg when health is above 50% sword when 15% is max even for gold weps? :P

malko050987

malko050987

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2007

Arad, Romania

The Arctic Marauders [TAM] - now recruiting!

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by calamari cruiser
How are you going to get a 18% dmg when health is above 50% sword when 15% is max even for gold weps? :P Might be some ancient mod on it, or it might just be "18% while health is under 50%" and the poster made a typo.

It's not like you need it, though - you're level 17, you said, and at that level should be killing anything pretty easily.

imnotyourmother

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2008

in a house

The Knitters Guild

W/R

Yeah that is true. I did make a boo boo on the mod as you can get 14^50 on the sword without it being a hilt or a pummel. It was the damage thing that I was thinking of +18% while enchanted. (which works really well if you are with a monk since I am war/ranger)

Still my idea was to see how to farm the ales.

When I was on last night I timed my ale runs and found out that I can get about 34 ales in one hour depending on how I hit the blood sweat thing from the breaton's.

So in my test runs I found this.

It takes 2 minutes to get to the Breatons running from fort ranik up the hill past the first 2 bears. there is no "run" skill in pre so this is as fast as you can get to the breaton's.

The amount of time that it will take you to kill all of the stuff between the two bears is not worth the drops considering that they are worth between 1 and 5 gold each. Gold for time is waited. I could just run through the mobs but there again the running time it can take up to 2 minutes to get one ale. What I describe below take 30 seconds off of that time easy.

If you manage to start the times right off you have to wait 15 seconds for the *challenge* to start. I can kill it in about 2 seconds - as noted above at lvl 17 - and then get my ale.

The fastest I was able to start the challenge again was another 15 seconds or so. The longest took me an aganizing 42 second and I had to run to the bear and then back. The first bear followed me to the hunters.

So time wise
120 Seconds + (2 minutes just to run to the breaton's)
15 Seconds (wait time to start Challenge)
2 seconds (Kill 1st Bear at Breaton's)
42 seconds (to start challenge again)
15 Seconds (wait time to start Challenge)
13 seconds (Kill 2nd bear and run back)
Total is 207 seconds or 3 minutes 45 seconds or 17 runs an hour for 34 ales an hour.

So 8 hours for a stack is not out of the question. I normally play from 7-11 at night so take me a about a week to get 4 stacks.

The most efficient ale is the 2 man run I think. You can get 4 ales in the first 3.75 minutes or less so 10ish ales in 10 minutes. To do the 9 ale run takes 10 minutes but someone gets 6 and someone gets 3. Even at this rate it is only 54 ales in an hour or split 50/50 it is 27. You get more just killing the first 2 bears and mapping back.

Toss up I guess. Has anyone else tried this?

imnotyourmother

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2008

in a house

The Knitters Guild

W/R

Hi everyone;

I just created a Monk in pre and I chose ele as my secondary profession. I have been running around looking for the flair skill but I can not find it. I see other elementalists using it but I can not get it.

Can anyone help me. Thanks

Sindy

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2007

E/

Flare is only available to Primary Elementalists in Pre-searing. You'll have to go post if your monk wants that skill.

DarkFlame

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2005

Ascalon

E/

You only get it as a primary Ele in Pre-Sear. You'll have to buy it from a skill trainer once you leave Pre-Sear if you want to use it.

Evilreintje

Evilreintje

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Dec 2007

well I was wondering what profession is best to run in pre-searing if you wanna make lvl 20 there =/

lilraceangel3

lilraceangel3

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2008

Western Mass

Passionate Kiss of the cats [Kiss]

W/N

IMO anything but a mesmer....Im partial to eles or warriors

Kyomi Tachibana

Kyomi Tachibana

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2007

Oregon, USA

Where iz teh Bonuz [WitB]

P/W

Mesmers are great for solo hunting the Charr in the northlands in Pre, since all their spells are non-projectile, they can hide behind walls and Empathy/Shatter Delusions things to death. Along with my pet I started soloing the Northlands, including the bosses, at level 9 or 10 with my Mesmer.

I tried it with an ele, but with their main attack [Flare] being a projectile, it was full of deaths and slow going.

Rangers are good, because they're much more durable, even though they need line of sight to attack, but if you have the Prophecies collectors edition, you can get the Nevermore Flatbow, a max damage r9 flatbow, which will greatly increase your damage output once you get 9 Marksmanship.

Never tried with anything else.

imnotyourmother

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2008

in a house

The Knitters Guild

W/R

Hi guys. The best primary imho is war cause of the high armor rating. Couple this with the ranger and you have a great team with your pet.

Death level a strider by the barrin estate to lvl 20. This will give it great damage dealing and will draw enemy attacks.

Also get the troll ungent as this will give you energy regen. that can be spammed. I currently have +8 energy regen and am lvl 17 92% to lvl 17

As for getting wealthy I can get 150 ales in 4 hours I did it last night. that is 15K a night or about 2 black dye. If you do that for 100 nights you can get the max drunken title and drink your way to drunken max title or sell all that ale for 1 Million Gold or 160 black dyes.

Fragile Feeling

Fragile Feeling

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2008

Mo/

The "Frenzy Ranger" in pre is a great class to go for LDOA with... It is a W/R that utilizes the fast attacking speed of frenzy and read the wind to make arrows move very fast and for alot of damage. They also have pets to act as a meat shield. Since they can attack at range, there isn't much hazard when fighting.

EDIT: and the fastest way to gain money in pre is to farm event items (when the event is on) or merchant. When I used to play pre I bought a 11 + 9 vs Charr Shield for like 300g and sold it for 35k. Same thing after an event you can merch the event items. Buy all pumpkin pies for 100-150g ea and sell for 200-250.

Teh [prefession]-zorz

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Feb 2007

wisconsin

Spiders Lair Kurz [SpL]

W/A

Quote:
Originally Posted by lilraceangel3
IMO anything but a mesmer....Im partial to eles or warriors Actually that would be the BEST to play, they can be the lowest level to solo the char... while playing smart mind you

Kyomi Tachibana

Kyomi Tachibana

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2007

Oregon, USA

Where iz teh Bonuz [WitB]

P/W

Quote:
Originally Posted by Teh [prefession]-zorz
Actually that would be the BEST to play, they can be the lowest level to solo the char... while playing smart mind you Exactly. I just rerolled my perma pre ele into a perma pre mesmer, while my ele had trouble solo'ing Charr at level 8, I'm now soloing them no problem on my mesmer at level 5.

Well. Double shaman spawns are some trouble, but if you can lure them so they're not standing next to each other it's possible.

imnotyourmother

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2008

in a house

The Knitters Guild

W/R

BRILLIANT!!!

Great stuff. I must say that I have 3 Perma pre toons atm and what i am hearing sounds right. I started a Monk/Ele and at lvl 10 I can not solo charr hunt. So I do that with my lvl 17 War/ranger when I am not death leveling.

I do love the smash and grab mentality that it takes to play the war but there is much more thought that has to be put into running my monk!

As I posted way up there I am working on getting ales in pre. To bring everyone up to date:

It is possible to get 25-34 ales per hour. The discrepancy results in the proximity of the first two bears to the hunters. If the bears are close to the hunters and I can draw them both there it only takes 5 seconds to get an ale after killing a single bear. If however if the bear runs away on my way to the hunters then it can take up to 30 more seconds to get from the hunters to kill that bear and run back to the hunters. This normally also results in the hunters starting their blood thing. That takes an additional 15+ seconds to get an ale.

I have been doing it on and off for about a week and I have 360 ales so far.
So I am averaging around 28 ales an hour or 2.8K/hour. I am hoping to have 2 stacks by 11. I should be close. I realistically will end up with around 470 of them.

I was playing my war last night killing charr bosses for almost 2 hours and I got a fire wand 9-15 damage. That was my best drop. Very sad. I could have made 5.6K doing ale runs.

Anyone else tried to do the ales runs at the hunters?

I will be on tonight around 8:30 - 11:00pm if anyone wants to run either the ales or the charr with me.

Yashi Hiro Moto or Im Not Your Mother are the toons

shadeslayer21

Academy Page

Join Date: Mar 2007

Shadow Dragon Lords

E/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kyomi Tachibana
Mesmers are great for solo hunting the Charr in the northlands in Pre, since all their spells are non-projectile, they can hide behind walls and Empathy/Shatter Delusions things to death. Along with my pet I started soloing the Northlands, including the bosses, at level 9 or 10 with my Mesmer.

I tried it with an ele, but with their main attack [Flare] being a projectile, it was full of deaths and slow going.

Never tried with anything else. hmm im gona go out on a limb and say that u didnt try it that well with an ele lol...or u were failing with it. Eles main is Firestorm(trust me i kno i have a lvl 18 ele in pre) and flare is used to pick up the scraps or take out the 1-2 melee charr in the groups...and for deathleveling....all you need is Flare...the charr dont move projectile = direct hit

ele is by far the best prof in pre....good for destroying charr as well as farming event items quickly

at OP...if u wana do sum charr runs on ur monk or sumthin hit me up and if im not busy ill do a few Charr Flamethrower is the ign...takes me 2-3 mins to clear the temple upon arrival

imnotyourmother

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2008

in a house

The Knitters Guild

W/R

I bet that you can do some MAJOR damage at lvl 18. Ele as the primary is a lot different then ele as the secondary that is for sure. I do not have flair on my monk/ele as only the primary ele can get it. I wanted some sort of healing when I made my toon. I chose monk with healing breeze at the casting time is faster than the ranger T.U.

I chose ele because it is an area effect and the mobs do not scatter in pre when using it as you said.

Kyomi Tachibana

Kyomi Tachibana

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2007

Oregon, USA

Where iz teh Bonuz [WitB]

P/W

Quote:
Originally Posted by shadeslayer21
hmm im gona go out on a limb and say that u didnt try it that well with an ele lol...or u were failing with it. Eles main is Firestorm(trust me i kno i have a lvl 18 ele in pre) and flare is used to pick up the scraps or take out the 1-2 melee charr in the groups...and for deathleveling....all you need is Flare...the charr dont move projectile = direct hit

ele is by far the best prof in pre....good for destroying charr as well as farming event items quickly

at OP...if u wana do sum charr runs on ur monk or sumthin hit me up and if im not busy ill do a few Charr Flamethrower is the ign...takes me 2-3 mins to clear the temple upon arrival Considering I only got the ele to level 8, no I wasn't doing something wrong, I just wasn't willing to spend 700+ hours getting LDoA on a profession I didn't enjoy playing.

At the same level, I was already soloing charr on my mesmer, and extremely well at that. Empathy+Backfire+Shatter Delusions>Firestorm+Flare

Azrael Apollyon

Azrael Apollyon

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Feb 2007

Sentinels of the Rift [SotR]

D/

Yep, mesmers are very fun to play in pre. Empathy and Backfire do some serious damage, and 4-5 min boss runs can be done easily.