Presearing Tips and Questions [Merged]

Well it would seem that mes/ele is a great combo for killing the charr while at lower levels. I was wondering if the other classes catch up to them at later lvl's.

something like this:
1) Level 8-10 Best class Mes.
2) level 10-12 Best class is _______
3) level 12-14 Best Class is _______
4) level 14-16 Best Class is _______
and finally lvl 20 Best Class is ______

I left out lvl 17-19 because most of the time we death lvl to get past it to lvl 20

And to keep everyone who reads this abreast, I am sitting at 466 ales so far and it has not been two weeks yet.
I will be farming my but off ourside the fort to get as much alcohol that I can this weekend starting FRIDAY NIGHT.

My lvl 17 war/ranger can solo bosses in about 3 minutes a run.

Could you tell me whats your equip // skills at pre with warrior plz? tyvm ^^

garathgoldwing, you ask about equipment and skills on my war. So here it is,

My shield is not MAX for pre but still a 35K shield. It is Armor 9 + 8 Vrs Charr. giving me +17 armor vrs Charr. Max shield is 21 armor vrs charr and will run you 100K or so.

My armor is the COLLECTOR armor, (150 gold for items if not farmed?) except for my boots. Why, cause I am too lazy to go and get them since I put runes on my starter boots.

My Runes that I have are:
1 Rune of Minor Health + (is it 30?) Can't remember (5K salvaged)
5 Runes of Armor +10 while attacking. (7.5K Salvaged)
1 Rune of minor Strength +1 (4K Salvaged)
1 Rune of Minor Sword + 1 (4K Salvaged)
1 Rune of Survivor's Health +15 on Chest (3K Salvaged)
2 Runes of Vite. (2.4k Salvaged)

My sword is the Crafted Rinblade 10-14 dmg. I have a sundering 20/18 Sword Hilt (15K Salvaged) mod and a 17% vrs Charr Sword Pummel (40K Salvaged). The sword comes with a +5 armor mod vrs charr. (75 gold for Sword)

So the total cost is somewhere around 116,125 gold. I did not get this stuff in a week either. I got the sundering from a drop but the shield I did pay for. Maybe too much but I had the gold. I got tired of switching shields. I have a 12+9 vrs fire shield and a 10 +9 vrs slashing that i found on the ground. Most of the mods I salvaged for free from the kits that dropped while getting to lvl 16.

So overall I most likely spent around 75K for everything since some of the stuff was free drops. I also have a second sundering 20/18 cause it was cheep at 10K or something like that. Someone leaving pre wanting to get what they could fast for it cause it is worthless in post. I am currently on a quest for a sword 12-16 dmg witch is max for pre and is going to take all of my gold, like 225K for it. oh well


This list is from memory so no flames but please correct me if I am mistaken. It is something like that I am sure I will check and get back to here.

Skills. My secondary is Ranger. I use the standard War Skills and keep the pet. I do not ever heal my pet so I do not bring that skill with me. I do use the ranger T.U. for spammable heal. I can keep the +8 healing up almost constantly.

Hope that helps.


Well after about a month I have almost 150,000 Gold in the coffers and still need another 75K for my Max dmg weapon 14^50 12-16 dmg 20/18 with 18% charr slaying.

I have the 20/18 sundering so it does not need to have that on it.

There was someone that commented on the ability to farm event items really fast with the ele fire skill. Boy oh boy! Were they ever right. On the last event I could kill 20 Scales all at once. I used the healing breeze to keep myself alive and ran through the scales to gather them together in one spot. I hit the fire skill and they all died dropping tones of stuff. I will time it tonight for the actual time to do so from the time I leave the outpost. It was less than 2 minutes to kill 20 baddies I know that much.

As for soloing the charr with a lvl 10 Monk/ele forget it. I die fast. Very frustrating. Not a problem though cause I just change to my war and farm farm away.

umm ele is by far the easiest class for pre....at any level, they can start soloing at level 6 and atm i have a lvl 18 and it is the easiest to DL with

"umm ele is by far the easiest class for pre....at any level, they can start soloing at level 6 and atm i have a lvl 18 and it is the easiest to DL with" from above.

It would appear from the sounds of shadeslayer21 that I am in fact doing something wrong with my ele. My primary is Monk - for healing breeze - and my secondary is Ele.

I can not solo with my monk even at lvl 10. I am not sure that I understand the part about the Dl is easiest with the ele?

My war is lvl 17 now and I dl with that. My armor is best in pre so i can hold agro and take dmg while gathering the group to run them to the shrine. When I get to the shrine I take my armor off and equip my bow so that the charr can kill me faster. But wait, War has FRENZY. take DOUBLE dmg. I can die twice as fast as any other class. This will cut 2 hours off of getting the charr to lvl 17. I did it once... only once but it was stupid on my part and a big waiste of time but it is doable.

What makes Ele better than War for pulling charr and then dling?

Wanting to learn more.

Okay, I've done the pancake stacking of charr to death level a couple times now, but this time I did something wrong and I'm not sure what. I had an odd spawn anyway, like a group of 4 spellcasters and no melee, and a melee group that refused to join the big group and kept trying to leave when dragged them into it and died. So I get it set up and leave for 10 hours. Now I come back, one group is level 18, one group is level 16, one group is level 9, and one group is level 8. Obviously I did something wrong to make that group not join with the big group even tho they're standing right next to it. Only thing I can think of is that it was the odd spawn thing, cause it's the spellcaster groups that aren't getting any xp.

Is that it, or could it be something else? I did the same thing as last time, made sure I died to each group at the correct spots etc. I just don't want to keep setting it up and wasting 12 hours to not get it right. Should I not bother with charr patrols that aren't a melee/spellcaster mix?

No, that's actually quite normal, the situation that you're describing. When I deathlevel I get about the same.
You'll notice that groups with Hunters level faster, and groups with only Chaots and Claws level slower, due to the fact that only the group that gives the final blow gets experience.

Hello,

The charr leveling up at different times is actually quiet normal you'll find in your adventure to LDoA that you will hardly get all the groups to level at the same time, I personally only pull 2 groups. which is enough to kill the guards and level 1 of the groups and gain me 3-4% exp.

Naru.

I'm not debating if ldoa is a waste of time. If you have nothing constructive to say then shush. Besides I do my deathleveling when I'm asleep or at work so it's not wasting my time.

As an update, I went through and killed the level 18 group and the level 16 group, leaving just the level 8 and level 9 group. The level 9 group leveled to 11 and the level 8 group stayed level 8. Is that normal? The rest of the times I've done this the groups all leveled at least a bit, this is the first time a group has not leveled at all.

from the person who has 2 LDoA's.

ignore everything in the 'pancake stacking' guide that relates to 'making them all act as 1 group'. its all total BS

its very normal for them to level uneven. try killing a main dmg dealer in a group once they get to 'your level+1' and usually another groupo will start levelling.

the group who is awarded XP is typically the one doing most damage.

also its not allways worth doing 4+ groups. try just doing 2 or 3 groups and letting it run for 12 hours max.

I agree. How so? Well have you ever thought that during the quest "Charr at the gate" that sometimes the Charr drop items for you and other times they do not?

Here is my findings. If I kill all 4 charr i get drops. If I help Prince rurik I will get a drop if I do most of the damage. If I do some damage I will get xp buy no drops. If I just stand there and watch the prince kill the charr and they are in my agro bubble I get HALF the xp and if the charr are just outside of my agro pubble and the prince kills a charr I get ZERO XP.

The above statement "holds water".

I just started a Mesmer only lvl 4 right now

whats a good build to farm charr?

and when i decide to choose a secondary i was think ranger just so i can have pet for meat sheild/ dmg deal for farming


any thoughts?

Considering you barely get enough skills from your primary for a full skill bar.

Just use Empathy, Backfire, Conjure Phantasm, Shatter Delusions, Ether Feast, Charm Animal, Comfort Animal, Troll Unguent.

The ranger skills work just fine without any points in WS. Put all points into Domination Magic and Inspiration Magic, remainder in Illusion.

Once again I agree with the above statement. Since you are not ele and do not have firestorm then you need this for fastest killing.

My war ranger is very efficient at killing charr at lvl 17. I am W/R. I like frenzy for attacking twice as fast, my armor is +10 while attacking and my pet takes Massive damage so I do not.

That said I like the feel of killing things with my 11-15 dmg sundering charrslaying sword. I like running with monks even better as I do 14% more dmg with my sword. However, this can not compare to the speed of my..get this lvl 12 M/E.

Firestorm is by far the best skill in pre for killing charr. With the monk heal at +6 health regen and firstorm at 21 dmg there is no comparison for speed. Also the "agro" factor and "Pulling" charr WHO CARES. you never get close enough to cause massive agro. Just Bane them and then firestorm = 5 dead charr bosses. Go get your stuff and agro group reset and be done with it.

E/R might be the best though. Exploding arrows fire damage, kill stuff fast.

Yeah i love my Mes/Ele. I use a hale staff with a +1 Dom magic 17%. I put most of my att points in Dom. then illusion, then Inspiration and still found 3 points for fire magic. Although i could swap the illusion and inspiration for better healing, and lose the points in fire. I just haven't bothered tweaking it because i don't have too many issues. (Cept them pesky double Hunter and/or double shaman groups) If anyone has any suggestions on where i may improve this i am up for suggestions.

Mes/Ele seems better than I first thought. I have a lvl 17 war and I cannot just run willy nilly to kill the charr. I have to use my bow and pull and put my pet on heel and then put it to attack and then change weapons and repeat for the groups that I come to at the shrine. Blah blah blah.

So I tool my wife with me and she want to try the charr. I said oh? well your lvl 5 um you might get killed fast. Boy was I wrong.

She just zapped them and fired them and they were dead. LVL 5???? I am lvl 17.

That is crazy

Maybe my pet and I were taking the massive damaged? I have no idea. So yeah Mes/ele lv 5 beats War/Ranger lvl 17 with pet lvl 16