Your take on Alcohol and minors in GW

Oh, please. Guild Wars is the least of any parent's concern. Take a trip around your neighborhood and I'm sure they can find much worse than alcohol and sugary snacks.

I think it's ridiculous if anyone gets overworked about alcohol being in this game. If you do have a problem, then don't allow your child to play it.

who the hell cares

should we be complaining about anet promoting killing?

I couldn't have said it better.

They should change Drunkard.
1.- Allow people to get 'drunker'. 30 levels instead the current 5.
2.- Give each 'grade' of drunkenness a different icon with the same icon border as conditions.
3.- Change the 2 current grades to the following 3:
* First grade: 'Tipsy'. 5 first levels. Effects: None. Icon: A hunter's ale.
* Second grade: 'Drunk'. Levels 6 to 20. Effects: Drunken title is increased by one point for each alcoholic beverage consumed under this grade, special effects of some skills are active. Icon: A flask of firewater.
* Third grade: 'Intoxicated'. Levels 21 to 30. Effects: -1 health regeneration for 30 seconds for each alcoholic drink consumed under this grade, it has also the same effects as blind, crippled and dazed at the same time, but can't be removed. Levels 18 to 20. Icon: A human liver.
4.- End the effect after death.

That way, people will have to drink the precise amount of drinks to stay under level 20 and out of grade 3 to prevent the bad effects of drunkenness.
And it would be more logical, since no one gets drunk from just 3 beers. But 5 may affect some people that can't stand alcohol very well.

Drink too much, and you can't cast, you move sluggishly and you can't barely hit anything with a weapon and can even die. Drink the precise amount, and you keep increasing the title and playing normally and even be more powerful.

Just like with the Films Drunker Master and Drunker Master 2.

That is sooooooooooooooooooooooooo not true.

You just wake up, have a coke, then do it again the following night.

Don't be a RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing bad parent and maybe something as stupid as guild wars won't be able to turn your kid into an alcoholic.

In a game that promotes disembowelment (i.e. Eviscerate), suicide (i.e. Necromancer sacrifices, especially Blood Ritual) and homosexuality (i.e. Male mesmers), I think alcoholism is probably the least of A-Net's worries.

I believe that people who actually care about alcohol in GW should consider removing themselves from society.

ROFL. you just outed every male mesmer in the game

on topic : parents should research the games their kids are playing. blaming others for what their children see in games is bad parenting IMO

LMFAO.

Forgot nuking (ele), bond...age (monks - ok it's bonding, I know, but still >_>), mass killing of one specie (raptor farming), drugs (cons)...

Let's turn the whole game into carebears getting rid the world of evil with little hearts and stars while we're at it? /shudder

EDIT: Just because I'm stuck at the office for half an hour, I can add some more:
- Pyromania (fire eles)
- Cursing is good (necros)
- Idealization and hypersexualization (pretty much any female characte and some male chars, depending)
- Murder (Hell's Precipice)
- Raising the dead (MM necros)
- General killing (EVERYTHING)

Oh god, you have got to be kidding me. GW is an international game. Just because us Americans don't know what the hell they are doing with Alcohol, that's why we don't have crap like Absinthe.

Which by the was is illegal in the U.S, and in GW, so why don't you gripe about that too? :P While we're at it, Killing people is illegal as well.

Seriously though, use some common sense and try to be one of the few people in this country that has some.

EDIT: It promotes sex too

[divine spirit][Vampirism][Pain]

heh.
Where I come from..'kids' at age 14+ are already half cooked.
Either lead them by your 'adult' example, or leave them be to experiment, and hopefully learn the lessons of life before hurting thenselves, or an innocent.
Life, can be full of hard choices.
let the 'kids' make them, as we once did.

My complaint about alcohol

While you're probably sick of hearing about alcohol, it is crucial that you read this letter. Instead of focusing on why alcohol's central role in the promotion of overweening diabolism dates back a number of years, I would like to remind people that it's easy to tell if alcohol's lying. If its lips are moving, it's lying. It must be stated quite categorically that alcohol's the scourge of all that is good and true. We can therefore extrapolate that alcohol doesn't want us to carry out the famous French admonition, écrasez l'infâme!, against its wheelings and dealings. It would rather we settle for the meatless bone of Fabianism.

Any rational argument must acknowledge this. Alcohol's delusional machinations, naturally, do not. I know very few disloyal tax cheats personally but I know them well enough to surmise that alcohol is not interested in what is true and what is false or in what is good and what is evil. In fact, those distinctions have no meaning to it whatsoever. The only thing that has any meaning to alcohol is lexiphanicism. Why? I'm sure you already know the answer so I won't bother repeating it. I'd like to emphasize, however, that the acid test for alcohol's "kinder, gentler" new perversions should be, "Do they still submerge us in a sea of masochism?" If the answer is yes then we can conclude that I don't want to build castles in the air. I don't want to plan things that I can't yet implement. But I do want to stop alcohol's encroachments on our heritage because doing so clearly demonstrates how if you've read any of the politically incorrect slop that it has concocted, you'll indeed recall its description of its plan to distort the facts. If you haven't read any of it, well, all you really need to know is that I am aware that many people may object to the severity of my language. But is there no cause for severity? Naturally, I assert that there is because Nature is a wonderful teacher. For instance, the lesson that Nature teaches us from newly acephalous poultry is that you really don't need a brain to run around like a dang fool making a spectacle of yourself. Nature also teaches us that alcohol would have us believe that its long-term goals are a breath of fresh air amid our modern culture's toxic cloud of chaos. Yeah, right. And I also suppose that the kids on the playground are happy to surrender to the school bully? The fact of the matter is that there's a time to keep silent and a time to speak. There's a time to love and a time to hate. There's a time for war and a time for peace. And, I maintain, there's a time to straighten out alcohol's thinking. Or, to put it less poetically, I recommend paying close attention to the praxeological method developed by the economist Ludwig von Mises and using it as a technique to condemn alcohol's criminal ineptitude. The praxeological method is useful in this context because it employs praxeology, the general science of human action, to explain why alcohol proclaims at every opportunity that it'd never lionize pesky, ungrateful freeloaders. The organization doth protest too much, methinks.

This probably does not affect your daily life, but it is a fact. Alcohol is a bad role model for children. That said, let me continue. The practical struggle which now begins, sketched in broad outlines, takes the following course: Alcohol has remarked that there is something intellectually provocative in the tired rehashing of dastardly stereotypes. This is a comment that should chill the spine of anyone with moral convictions. To make sure you understand I'll spell it out for you. For starters, we must hold alcohol responsible for the hatred it so furtively expresses. To do anything else, and I do mean anything else, is a complete waste of time.

I am worried about a new physiognomy of servitude, a compliant citizenry relieved of its burdens by a "compassionate" alcohol. It's hard to spot the compassion when you notice that it's debatable whether alcohol confuses demagoguery with leadership and undocumented conspiracism with serious research. However, no one can disagree that it is a grave injustice for it to scrawl pro-demagogism graffiti over everything. Alcohol will almost certainly tiptoe around that glaringly evident fact because if it didn't, you might come to realize that it must sense its own irremediable inferiority. That's why alcohol is so desperate to sharpen intergroup tensions; it's the only way for it to distinguish themselves from the herd. It would be a lot nicer, however, if alcohol also realized that we have a dilemma of leviathan proportions on our hands: Should we create greater public understanding of the damage caused by its asseverations, or is it sufficient to think outside the box? Here's the answer, albeit in a somewhat circuitous and roundabout style: This is a lesson for those with eyes to see. It is a lesson not so much about its deplorable behavior but about the way that I do not have the time, in one sitting, to go into the long answer as to why I myself commend to your earnest and philosophical consideration its plan to increase alienation and delinquency among our young people. But the short answer is that if Fate desired that it make a correct application of what it had read about Chekism it would have to indicate title and page number since the neo-indecent sideshow barker would otherwise never in all its existence find the correct place. But since Fate does not do this, it is pointless to fret about the damage already caused by its imperious metanarratives. The past cannot be changed. We must cope with the present if we hope to affect our future and look at our situation realistically and from a viewpoint that takes in the whole picture.

It's a pity that two thousand years after Christ, the voices of self-satisfied trolls like alcohol can still be heard, worse still that they're listened to, and worst of all that anyone believes them. While there's no use crying over spilled milk, if history follows its course, it should be evident that alcohol demands that we make a choice. Either we let it assuage the hungers of its cronies with servings of fresh scapegoats or it'll dismantle the family unit. This "choice" exemplifies what is commonly known as a "false dichotomy" or "the fallacy of the excluded middle" because it denies other alternatives, such as that alcohol owns drawers and boxes full of legal documents, which it is convinced prove its position. I put that observation into this letter just to let you see that each rung on the ladder of exhibitionism is a crisis of some kind. Each crisis supplies an excuse for alcohol to defuse or undermine incisive critiques of its biggety behavior by turning them into procedural arguments about mechanisms of institutional restraint. That is the standard process by which malicious, appalling recidivists put our liberties at risk by an unbridled and militant rush to force some to live by restrictive standards not applicable to others.

I'm unmistakably afraid of repulsive windbags. It vehemently denies that, of course. But it obviously would because its desire to sell quack pharmaceutical supplies (and you should be suspicious whenever you hear such tell-tale words and phrases as "breakthrough", "miracle", "secret remedy", "exclusive", and "clinical studies prove that...") is the chief sign that it's a mean-spirited, careless scumbag. (The second sign is that alcohol feels obliged to convince others that argumentative, intemperate fiends are the "chosen people" of scriptural prophecy.) To most people, the list of alcohol's pigheaded revenge fantasies reads like a comic strip but its memoranda are actually taken seriously by its adherents. However, if I withheld my feelings on this matter, I'd be no less cocky than alcohol.

Alcohol finds enemies everywhere. How does alcohol deal with this fascinating piece of information? It absolutely ignores it. If alcohol succeeds in its attempt to threaten our core values, allegiances, and beliefs, it'll have to be over my dead body. Not that I ever believed alcohol's lies, but at least before they had some kind of internal consistency -- a logic, albeit twisted, that invited refutation. But now, it seems it is desperately flailing about for any pretext, no matter how ludicrous or slight, to lower our standard of living.

If alcohol can overawe and befuddle a sufficient number of prominent individuals then it will become virtually impossible for anyone to take advantage of a rare opportunity to point out that the emperor has no clothes on. It's astounding that alcohol has found a way to work the words "roentgenographically" and "deintellectualization" into its imprecations. However, you may find it even more astounding that it keeps stating over and over again that its sophistries are not worth getting outraged about. This drumbeat refrain is clearly not consistent with the facts on the ground -- facts such as that someone has been giving alcohol's brain a very thorough washing and now alcohol is trying to do the same to us. I decidedly dislike alcohol. Likes or dislikes, however, are irrelevant to observed facts, such as that alcohol likes to endorse a complete system of leadership by mobocracy. Such activity can flourish only in the dark, however. If you drag it into the open, alcohol and its loyalists will run for cover, like cockroaches in a dirty kitchen when the light is turned on suddenly during the night. That's why we must draw an accurate portrait of alcohol's ideological alignment.

Perhaps I'm reading too much into alcohol's cajoleries, but they don't seem to serve any purpose other than to intensify or perpetuate simplism. Alcohol is a stentorian deadhead. I use that label only when it's true. If you don't believe it is, then consider that I'm not a brusque person. I'd like nothing more than to extend my hand in friendship to alcohol's apologists and convey my hope that in the days to come we can work together to improve the living conditions of the most vulnerable in our society -- the sick, the old, the disabled, the unemployed, and our youth -- all of whose lives are made miserable by alcohol. Unfortunately, knowing them, they'd rather enact new laws forcing anyone who's not one of alcohol's secret agents to live in an environment that can, at best, be described as contemptuously tolerant because that's what alcohol wants. No amount of opinion or innuendo nor any string of unrelated apologues can change the fact that we must act honorably if we are ever to enable all people to achieve their potential as human beings. Yes, this is a bold, audacious, even unprecedented undertaking. Yes, it lacks any realistic guarantee of success. However, it is an undertaking that we must undoubtedly pursue because alcohol and its pals are slovenly, ribald ne'er-do-wells. This is not set down in complaint against them, but merely as analysis.

There are two related questions in this matter. The first is to what extent alcohol has tried to make me the target of a constant, consistent, systematic, sustained campaign of attacks. The other is whether or not I am making a pretty serious accusation here. I am accusing alcohol of planning to take rights away from individuals on the basis of prejudice, myth, irrational belief, inaccurate information, and outright falsehood. And I don't want anyone to think that I am basing my accusation only on the fact that some of the facts I'm about to present may seem shocking. This they certainly are. However, if you've never seen it squander irreplaceable treasures, you're either incredibly unobservant or are concealing the truth from yourself. So, sorry for being so long-winded in this letter, but according to the dictionary, "alcohol-ism" is "any of a set of histrionics that biologically or psychologically engineer dysfunctional self-proclaimed arbiters of taste and standards to make them even more disgraceful than they already are".


http://www.pakin.org/complaint/

Erm...sorry Miska, but THAT babble is EXACTLY why many 'minors' will look you in the eye, and tell you to blow it out your ass.
Over 85% of the US 15 and under population have either tried alcohol, or continue to consume.
Big words, and flowery phrases will never stop a young persons mind once set on something.

Erm.... wall of texts FTL?

Guild Wars is a game. A GAME. People who keep blaming games for their kids' behavior can look at themselves at first; a game will NOT raise a child for you, neither will the TV, the music, movies, etc. Being drunk in the game does not make me drunk IRL and doesn't even wanna get me drink anyways. Playing a violent game doesn't make me more violent, just as much as playing a fire ele doesn't make me wanna go burn down whoever I think is evil. Dear god. Any person with a good mental health will understand that...

EDIT:
ROFLMAO. Ok I didn't check that link and now that I do... well... can't help but laugh. I assumed too fast it was just a copy or a longer version.

Gonna use that for the heck of it now

That's awesome Miska - I had never seen that website. I'm going to insert "Ursan" and "Shadow Form" into the system and see what it comes out with.

It's a joke, guys. See the link below.

Here's what I got....

Man, now I sound like Avarre. JUST KIDDING!#!@!@!

I haven't had my morning screwdriver yet!

On topic.

Cant keep teens in a bubble for ever.

Alcohol abuse is not the problem, its a symptom of something deeper.

Great. Now what will old people do? You took away the fun of writing crotchety and illogical letters to the editor, now how will they fill their day until the O'Reilly Factor comes on?!

GTFO

Yeah, thats what they are shooting for in this game with the ANet marketing plan, Realism and life lessons, yeah whatever. Go play a Sesame Street game or something. For shame on alcohol, it's the Devil, THE DEVIL I SAY!!!


Statistically speaking a peson weighing 90 lbs with no history of alcohol cunsumption(ie no tolerance) drinking 3 beers in an hour will not be able to drive a motor vehicle at a legal blood alcohol level.

lol, wut?

I'm going to go use the words "My Job" in there and see what happens.

TLDR

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Alcohol should be replaced with green tea and the title changed to Tea Master.

The first cup moistens my lips and throat
The second cup breaks my loneliness
The third cup searches my barren entrail, but to find therein some thousand volumes of odd ideographs
The fourth cup raises a slight perspiration-all the wrongs of life pass out through my pores
At the fifth cup I am purified
The sixth cup calls me to the realms of the immortals
The seventh cup-ah, but I could take no more! I only feel the breath of the cool wind that raises in my sleeves. Where is Penglai? Let me ride on this sweet breeze and waft away thither.
- Lotung

Let's also remove the fighting from GW, since Anet is promoting to fight!! to use swords and kill animals!

Alcohol or not, Anet will not have ANY effect on underage drinking.

I'd assume uptight parents, would rather their kids drink on the internet than in real life.

That's awesome; I'm going to use that for some of the QQ threads at the conan forums.

On topic: alcohol is fine if they want to encourage it, but if they do, they should stop banning names that are mildly or moderately offensive. Alcohol is worse than a name.

EDIT: http://forums.ageofconan.com/showthr...=125354&page=9 lolz...

I normally don't reply to threads, but this one has me a bit miffed. Guild Wars is a game, and if you're put off by the "use" of alcohol, then by all means, either don't play, or don't go for the titles. When you see on the news of someone blaming a game for the murder...robbery...rape...they commited, do you believe it was actually the game that caused that behavior? It's all the blame game, I had a bad childhood, I didn't have a bike when I was 5, I was forced to clean my room, my parents were divorced, I played Guild Wars and maxed out my drunkard title...that's why I was driving drunk. We have cartoons with violence...we have cartoons that show bare bottoms, we have cartoons that have sexual references, we have cartoons that promote beer drinking, and one of my favs...south park that has 4th graders (least I think they're in 4th grade) using profanity, and you're worried about a game where alcohol is a title? If you're going to complain...maybe you need to encompass all abusers, and not just Guild Wars. It's a game, it's fun...it's relaxing, and yes...give the kids credit...they do know the difference between a game and reality.

90lbs? How is that in the metric system that you should be using? 40 kilograms? Where are those statistics from? Lilliput?
In my country a person of 40 kilograms is either ill or a child. A normal slim female wights 60..70 kilograms and is 1,70..1,90 meters tall, and can drink 1 liter of 15º beer before getting really drunk.
And with drunk I mean seeing blurry, not just lacking some hand-eye coordination and time response required to drive or use heavy machinery.
Laws in my country states that one or two beers are enough to lose enough hand-eye coordination and not being able to drive.
But you'll never see blurry with just that, and being drunk is GW is all about seeing blurry, not about you real life statements.

Everyone has the right of having points of view. But the last word is always in the hands of time.

For example, just 3 days before Nightfall preview I was talking in the Alliance chat about how they should add a way to change the fixed variable properties found in armors and weapons. Like the inherent properties in weapons(that they should and will change in factions and Prophecies) and the old system in armors.
I stated my though and says that it would be an appropiated addition because that would be logical, considering how the game works and how would it help in PvP.
And, of course, someone from the alliance jumped up! Saying that such thing would be the 'end' of Guild Wars, and market and he would leave the game and the moon would turn red and the skies will fall and yaddayaddayadda...
There's always someone like that.

Then, Nightfall brought Insignia and Inscription. A good coincidence! And I get a lot of those. Why? Becase I see the picture from outside the canvas.

Read what I wrote and wait a second and think about it, and you'll see that it would be IMPOSSIBLE to make the title much faster, because people would get to the 'intoxicated' grade of drunkenness, and under that grade alcoholic beverages won't increase the title. And they would have to wait to drink more.

So with the changes I said, people would be able to keep a 'buffer' of 15 minutes while playing with PvE skills that use drunken status so they won't need to keep track of drinks, since that's annoying and game-breaking, but they would die even in in outposts if they just tried to use alcoholic beverages as if they were party items or sweets, like you die if you drink too much.
If you eat too much sweets, you get all hyperactive.
If you drink too much, you get tipsy, then drunk... and then sick.

And for drinks in games. As Seven of Nine would say: "it's irrelevant".
Parents are the ones responsible of what children say, and adults are responsible of themselves.

I'd also like to note that there is a growing movement to a much lower drinking age within the United States, as in Europe. Alcohol is becoming less and less the focus of abolition, and more and more the focus of moderation.

Why GW supports the black arts? You can SACRIFICE YOUR BLOOD!!! WITH A KNIFE!! [Blood is Power] [Offering of Blood] [Blood Ritual]

Eh, wee, my screen starts swirling when I drink something that says alcohol. If children are that easily influenced skills like Eviscerate and Impale would be far more damaging. Parents just need to know what effects their kids and if they know they are easily influenced not let them play games like this.

And [skill]blood is power[/skill] promotes self mutilation and emo'ismn in general

I read the title, and all I thought to myself is...

GTFO

Ah, COME ON!!! Nowadays, 9 year-old kids know more about drugs, alcohol and sex than adults did in the 60s. You just don't know about it (addressed to parents).

Now, if A-net adds intense violence, blood, gore, and partial nudity in GW2, then it should receive a Mature rating, but seriously, if you are worried about your kid getting exposed to alcohol in GW, don't let them play, and let A-net make games with T rating so they can make some money, and we can get some entertainment.

Good Flying Spaghetti Monster! Political Correctness run rampant.

You stay out of my cups, and I'll stay out of your...oh that's right, I don't get into anything of yours.

:/

First off, anet is in no way "promoting" the use of alcohol. It is simply in the game for festivities, just as sweet tooth and party animal items are. Consuming alcohol in the game makes your char say funny things and do unintended emotes and your screen gets blurry, which is both accurate and not offending in any way.

There are ads on TV for alcohol everyday that depict it in a more dangerous way to children than anet could ever offer. Anet does not depict it in a way that is "marketing" it.

To close the book on this, anet does not rate their own game! The game is rated by w/e organization (ESRB i believe) handles game age rating.

don't forget the funny templates like "Teenpregnancy" and "How men have sex"
or even "Need to poo"
but those are for lulz

I had a great agreement with my folks as I was growing up. I could watch all the horror movies my little heart desired (I remember watching Nightmare on Elm Street in Grade 2), war movies, and the likes. The catch, which they told me, was if they ever caught me trying to mimic things I saw in movies, or shows, or acting out on them in any manner there would be hell to pay.

I had my fair share of 2 month groundings and quickly learned my lesson when I went against their wishes. Two months with no phone, no TV, no going to friends houses, and having your homework triple checked; I don't think I said the F-Word from age 10 until I moved out on my own at age 18.



It's not Anet's job to be a parent. They're promoting drinking as much as they're promoting playing with knives. If a parent sees fit that Guild Wars is not appropiate for their child then that's a decision the parent must make. And too be honest, if half the parents saw what some of the young ones type in chat; the Alcohol would be the least of the worries.

Your take on killing monsters in GW?
Your take on underwear-like armors in GW?
Your take on religion in GW when the said kid lives in a none-secular country?

I think that would be the major objection against alcohol in the game. DRINK ALCOHOL ITS FUNNY!

I cant really see how alcohol in GW can make drunkards from kids. Personally, I was drinking before I started with GW, but now I just have no time for it