Isnt that all GW is becomming ? I Mean, really
We grind points for all of our titles, Just so that we can Grind Farm to make money to buy overpriced items which guild wars shows clear support for by creating Chaos Gloves (if you have them - You have been girnd farming/you bought gold (from grind farmers)).
I mean really, Why hasnt anyone said anything/why aren't they trying to prevent this at all ?
Just Another Grind Game ?
Fleur De Lyss
hurdlebeast
because what point is there to a game, if, after you beat the storylines, there is nothing to achieve? grinding adds shelf life, every single good game out there has it, some sort of challenge that takes time and skill.
Edit: you don't need any elite items to beat the game. max, req 9 items with crappy skins work just the same as high-end, 100k+weapons with the same stats. it's all prestige, and not NEEDED to beat the game at all.
Edit: you don't need any elite items to beat the game. max, req 9 items with crappy skins work just the same as high-end, 100k+weapons with the same stats. it's all prestige, and not NEEDED to beat the game at all.
Lawrence Chang
in other words, GW is not worth the price tag.
Diddy bow
Well about half of all the riverside threads are whinning about this atm. 
But this game is only a grind game if you let it be.
But this game is only a grind game if you let it be.
Alex the Great
would you rather play guild wars if they removed all the optional grind?
lets take a look!
guild wars- great game, fun, no grind
present guild wars- all the same, and OPTIONAL grind.
everyone who complains about grind is jealous because other people have cooler stuff than them, and they want it without taking time. I'm not a grinder either, and i only have 4 suits of 15k armour from light farming over the years.
lets take a look!
guild wars- great game, fun, no grind
present guild wars- all the same, and OPTIONAL grind.
everyone who complains about grind is jealous because other people have cooler stuff than them, and they want it without taking time. I'm not a grinder either, and i only have 4 suits of 15k armour from light farming over the years.
Gift3d
To play through the game, and do the things an average gamer has fun doing, grinding is not necessary.
To play PvP, for the most part, and if you're smart, is fun and does not involve grinding.
To get as much money as possibly to waste massive amounts of gold and ectos on horribly ugly, unnecessary, "prestigious" items, grinding will be a requisite.
Natural selection.
To play PvP, for the most part, and if you're smart, is fun and does not involve grinding.
To get as much money as possibly to waste massive amounts of gold and ectos on horribly ugly, unnecessary, "prestigious" items, grinding will be a requisite.
Natural selection.
Bytor
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because what point is there to a game, if, after you beat the storylines, there is nothing to achieve? grinding adds shelf life, every single good game out there has it, some sort of challenge that takes time and skill.
Edit: you don't need any elite items to beat the game. max, req 9 items with crappy skins work just the same as high-end, 100k+weapons with the same stats. it's all prestige, and not NEEDED to beat the game at all. |
I agree except that it doesn't take much skill to grind most of the titles just loads of time and in game gold.
hurdlebeast
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Well about half of all the riverside threads are whinning about this atm.
But this game is only a grind game if you let it be. |
GW can be pretty much anything you want it to be, really. You can farm, you can merch, you can do the missions over and over. You can title grind, or not. you can do the elite areas, or you can try to scam people (not recommended). You can travel in Pugs the whole game, or you can go with guildies, or with hero/hench, or a combo of all three. You can run through with your starter armor for a challenge, or you can get a run to the max armors right from the get go. you can use crappy weapons or go for the elite weapons.
And that's only in PvE. PvP is a whole 'nother story
Titles are forever going to be hated for their grind factor. I'm not innocent, i've whined about it too. But they add so much to the game, it's worth it.
screen317
I've been playing Prophecies for over two years now, and I still have not grown bored of it.
The things you can do not including grinding make for an incredible gaming experience. Add that on top of the excellent environment and graphics, plus the amazing soundtrack, and -original- GW has more grandeur than the majority of games I have played.
Grinding is there if you want to grind.
Guild Wars is there if you don't want to grind.
The things you can do not including grinding make for an incredible gaming experience. Add that on top of the excellent environment and graphics, plus the amazing soundtrack, and -original- GW has more grandeur than the majority of games I have played.
Grinding is there if you want to grind.
Guild Wars is there if you don't want to grind.
Stuart444
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yeah, you summed up my feelings in one sentence
GW can be pretty much anything you want it to be, really. You can farm, you can merch, you can do the missions over and over. You can title grind, or not. you can do the elite areas, or you can try to scam people (not recommended). You can travel in Pugs the whole game, or you can go with guildies, or with hero/hench, or a combo of all three. You can run through with your starter armor for a challenge, or you can get a run to the max armors right from the get go. you can use crappy weapons or go for the elite weapons. And that's only in PvE. PvP is a whole 'nother story Titles are forever going to be hated for their grind factor. I'm not innocent, i've whined about it too. But they add so much to the game, it's worth it. |
Fleur De Lyss
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would you rather play guild wars if they removed all the optional grind?
lets take a look! guild wars- great game, fun, no grind present guild wars- all the same, and OPTIONAL grind. everyone who complains about grind is jealous because other people have cooler stuff than them, and they want it without taking time. I'm not a grinder either, and i only have 4 suits of 15k armour from light farming over the years. |
Unless you're completely er.. dumb. You can't say Grinding isnt needed. Its not just farming its title capture also. We're all (most of us) trying to achieve more titles due to the HoM and most of them can't be done without grinding.
Only ignorance would lead you to say that grinding is supposed to be Skillful and Fun, because its not. its definitely not skillful - and sitting on a computer for 50284923 hours doing the same thing repitatively isn't fun. (If you disagree with that, you're a liar/get away from me o_O). It even appears that guild wars wants us to grind even more - Depleting the A/E Perma Sin - Which allowed ALOT of you to buy your FoW or your gloves or your overprice eternal blade... So If you say Im wrong you're a liar. If you say its fun, you're a liar. And if you say its what makes A good Game a Good game, Well.. You're odd.
Fleur De Lyss
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Well about half of all the riverside threads are whinning about this atm.
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Saying that is the same as saying "You can only be succesful if you want to be"
if you want a good start at the beginning of GW 2 - You're most likely title farming, and most titles, now require Grinding.
So I guess, Yes, GW Is not a grind game if you DON'T want to have all the nice things it offers, but if you DO you have to grind. And I believe that is what makes a grind game a grind game, whether you agree or not.
Abedeus
To beat storyline, grind is optional. Except for nightfall characters and 1 point in factions campaign.
To get into TA guild, you grind Gladiator. HA guild - fame. GvG - mix of glad, fame and champion. HB... xd
To get into pugs, you grind. To get into a guild, you grind. To get somewhere besides plot, you grind or sit with h/h.
To get into TA guild, you grind Gladiator. HA guild - fame. GvG - mix of glad, fame and champion. HB... xd
To get into pugs, you grind. To get into a guild, you grind. To get somewhere besides plot, you grind or sit with h/h.
Kumu Honua
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in other words, GW is not worth the price tag.
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At my calculations 11 months worth of game play means that GW cost me $.13 a day. If I play a second year then it cost me $.06 a day.
Sounds like it was absolutely worth the price.
isamu kurosawa
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I spent $44 to get all the campaigns. I have already played 11 months worth. I still have (by my calculations) another year or more left to play since I still have Factions to complete as well as many other side quests and places I have not gone yet.
At my calculations 11 months worth of game play means that GW cost me $.13 a day. If I play a second year then it cost me $.06 a day. Sounds like it was absolutely worth the price. |
The grind in game is mostly optional. Only qwen pve skills realy affected the skill > time philosophy but you can always run the builds you used in areas before gwen was released rather than grind a title to make a pve skill stronger.
Although people complain about grind it does add an element to the game that some people like, And as it's completely optional it shouldn't affect the way you play the game yourself.
KZaske
I must admit, I have whined about the grind in the past. My whines were focused on Sunspear & LIghtbringer title tracks. I gave up whining about it a long time ago.
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I whole heartedly agree with Kumu above.
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in other words, GW is not worth the price tag.
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Sounds like it was absolutely worth the price.
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romeus petrus
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guild wars- great game, fun, no grind
present guild wars- all the same, and OPTIONAL grind. |
kelike
GRIND .(obscene word) GRIND (obscene word) I AM GUILD WARS AND I'LL MAKE YOU GRIND YOU CANT ESCAPE MUHAHA...
From a reliable source i know that in GW 2 if you want to achieve lvl 2 you have to GRIND 350k norn asura ebon vanguard and dwarven points !!
/sarcasm...
how true how true
From a reliable source i know that in GW 2 if you want to achieve lvl 2 you have to GRIND 350k norn asura ebon vanguard and dwarven points !!
/sarcasm...
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Originally Posted by Alex the Great
would you rather play guild wars if they removed all the optional grind?
lets take a look! guild wars- great game, fun, no grind present guild wars- all the same, and OPTIONAL grind. everyone who complains about grind is jealous because other people have cooler stuff than them, and they want it without taking time. I'm not a grinder either, and i only have 4 suits of 15k armour from light farming over the years. |
how true how true
aaje vhanli
You don't have to grind if you don't choose to.
Even if you want things that require titles and the like, you make the choice whether you're going to grind out points to get them or get them casually without grinding.
If you don't like grind then STOP DOING IT.
/close thread
Even if you want things that require titles and the like, you make the choice whether you're going to grind out points to get them or get them casually without grinding.
If you don't like grind then STOP DOING IT.
/close thread
FlamingMetroid
GUILD WARS IS BECOMING GRIND!?!
WHAT A SCOOP!
WHAT A SCOOP!
Riceboi
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would you rather play guild wars if they removed all the optional grind?
lets take a look! guild wars- great game, fun, no grind present guild wars- all the same, and OPTIONAL grind. everyone who complains about grind is jealous because other people have cooler stuff than them, and they want it without taking time. I'm not a grinder either, and i only have 4 suits of 15k armour from light farming over the years. |
I know everyone hates /thread, but I don't care.
Tyla
Grind used to be completely optional, but now it limits where you can go.
In order to join groups, you need to grind. That goes for PvE aswell now. No grind no groups, simple as.
I love the "Jealous" part in arguments like these, although you are right in a sense. If you want things, you need to give up time to earn it.
In order to join groups, you need to grind. That goes for PvE aswell now. No grind no groups, simple as.
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MarSgt Strongbow
"The Grind" is unfortunately a price people pay for titles and "prestigious" items. Myself i have maxed out some titles by grinding, but i didn't have to, and made my own choice to do it. But as a rule i don't grind, and don't enjoy it. If all things were easy to get none of it would be "prestigious", so if you want to stand out you gotta grind. I like my Ebon Vanguard Monument armor, and have no desire to get a more "elite" set.
Shadowspawn X
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Rhamia Darigaz
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Evaine
Maybe it’s simply time for all the players who have beat the game and are sick of the grind to find something new and more appealing instead of haunting this forum with their chronic complaints and negativity. All games get old after awhile.
IN GW, if you want a title then you better be prepared to grind for it. But you know what? Titles aren’t mandatory. Neither is grinding to fill a HoM with any of the requisite glitz or bling.
In 2005 when this game came out, I never knew it existed. I didn’t know about it in 2006 or most of 2007 either. I haven’t gotten bored with it yet, but when I do it will be time to move on to something else. It’s that simple.
IN GW, if you want a title then you better be prepared to grind for it. But you know what? Titles aren’t mandatory. Neither is grinding to fill a HoM with any of the requisite glitz or bling.
In 2005 when this game came out, I never knew it existed. I didn’t know about it in 2006 or most of 2007 either. I haven’t gotten bored with it yet, but when I do it will be time to move on to something else. It’s that simple.
Biostem
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Hit the nail on the head. The object of the game is to do the missions and quests. Anything else is optional and is nothing to complain about. People who complain about optional activities are jealous and are the ones who don't complete anything in the game anyway, but have a problem with others completing titles or getting rewards. These same people are very activist about dumming the game down and trying to get rewards for minimal effort. There are many things in GW I don't have the time, skill or gold to accomplish but I wish those who are doing it and having fun the best.
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... by creating Chaos Gloves (if you have them - You have been girnd farming/you bought gold (from grind farmers))....
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And max armor = max armor. The rest is something you force yourself.
Ctb
The grind in Guild Wars is only problematic if you feel the need to excel at all facets of the game. The game itself, however, hasn't really changed much since it came out.
I think your problem is that you're complaining about the wrong thing. ANET didn't have any meaningful end game PvE content because the design called for PvP to be the end game content. So, instead of producing actual content, they slapped a lot of stupid titles and the HoM in so kids with no life have something to click until GW2 comes out.
If that bothers you, just quit playing once you've finished playing the actual game.
I think your problem is that you're complaining about the wrong thing. ANET didn't have any meaningful end game PvE content because the design called for PvP to be the end game content. So, instead of producing actual content, they slapped a lot of stupid titles and the HoM in so kids with no life have something to click until GW2 comes out.
If that bothers you, just quit playing once you've finished playing the actual game.
Rhamia Darigaz
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I think the problem stems from what is rewarded and how you earn those rewards. The fact that there are grind-based rewards, but none for, say, rp-ing or playing well irks some people. Having a well run guild doesn't give you any shinies, nor does running a good team, but grinding does...
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korcan
Every mmo or corp has some degree of grind. Fortunately for Guildwars, most of the grind is optional.
Seriously though, if you don't want to grind, I'd look into other gaming genres.
Seriously though, if you don't want to grind, I'd look into other gaming genres.
Tyla
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I think the problem stems from what is rewarded and how you earn those rewards. The fact that there are grind-based rewards, but none for, say, rp-ing or playing well irks some people. Having a well run guild doesn't give you any shinies, nor does running a good team, but grinding does...
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Although the play for playing in the campaigns is in itself. The fun you get out of it is the reward.
CyberNigma
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Originally Posted by hurdlebeast
because what point is there to a game, if, after you beat the storylines, there is nothing to achieve? grinding adds shelf life, every single good game out there has it, some sort of challenge that takes time and skill.
Edit: you don't need any elite items to beat the game. max, req 9 items with crappy skins work just the same as high-end, 100k+weapons with the same stats. it's all prestige, and not NEEDED to beat the game at all. |
So, the point was - play the storylines and then quit till the next one came out.
again, only going by their interviews...
Destiny2097
You've all missed the best part so far. Quoting from gw website:
gw2 is gonna be fun 
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aapo
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Unless you're completely er.. dumb. You can't say Grinding isnt needed. Its not just farming its title capture also. We're all (most of us) trying to achieve more titles due to the HoM and most of them can't be done without grinding.
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Tyla
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You've all missed the best part so far. Quoting from gw website:
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It says that it retains an anti-grind design philosophy that it already threw away. Do you really believe that?
DarkNecrid
its more like anti-forced grind.
grind existed before titles too
grind existed before titles too
aapo
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In order to join groups, you need to grind. That goes for PvE aswell now. No grind no groups, simple as.
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Seriously these arguments are so ****ing stupid. MAKE. YOUR. OWN. GROUP.
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I think the problem stems from what is rewarded and how you earn those rewards. The fact that there are grind-based rewards, but none for, say, rp-ing or playing well irks some people. Having a well run guild doesn't give you any shinies, nor does running a good team, but grinding does...
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Bowstring Badass
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Chaos Gloves (if you have them - You have been girnd farming/you bought gold (from grind farmers)).
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Completely wrong. It isn't hard to farm ectos in the 1st place. And you can get chaos gloves without grind farming.
But PvE is a grind as it is suppose to be? Anyway go play PvP less of a grind unless your doing HA.
Edit: aapo makes the most sense. Besides I heard guilds did areas without ursan.