i'm far too lazy to find the old thread, so i'll repost:
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[build prof=A/W dagg=12+1+1 tac=10 crit=8+1][shove][falling lotus strike][horns of the ox][falling spider][twisting fangs][shadow walk][dash][healing signet][/build]
the new shadow walk disables all attack skills, which does not affect shove. therefore, it's the only shadowstepping assassin that allows you to attack right away.
shove assassin: the new best thing
moriz
miskav
Ì had sort of the same idea, yet I haven't been able to try it out yet, how does this hold up?
moriz
the same it has always held up actually. i've had it for quite a while now, and it's always been my favourite for running around AB and ganking for the lulz.
it's funny, because all the accumulated nerfs on the assassins have just made this the best available... or pretty close to it.
it's funny, because all the accumulated nerfs on the assassins have just made this the best available... or pretty close to it.
DarkNecrid
Shadowsteps work fine, you just need to get a knockdown or an interrupt. Against NPCs it doesn't matter, but if you cut through the .75 by getting your opponent to be unable to do anything, you will still net big damage. You just have to be smarter with the usage.
kazi_saki
gj.
12chars
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Alastair
So because your skills are already disabled from Shadow walk, they cannot be further disabled by shove, thus allowing you to shove and attack almost immediately (as soon as the shadow walk 1 second wears off) ?
o_O
-Alastair
o_O
-Alastair
t00115577
For me its missing some [blades of steel] you know, just to make sure 
Cant beat a bit of overkill hehe, or if target is being healed by someone else
Cant beat a bit of overkill hehe, or if target is being healed by someone else
Taurucis
Shush. If Anet gets wind of this, the whole Tactics line is going to be Ether Renewal'd because of the Shove sin.
DarkNecrid
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Originally Posted by Alastair
So because your skills are already disabled from Shadow walk, they cannot be further disabled by shove, thus allowing you to shove and attack almost immediately (as soon as the shadow walk 1 second wears off) ?
o_O
-Alastair Shove doesn't disable attack skills.
The entire build revolves around minimizing Shadow Walks drawback.
o_O
-Alastair Shove doesn't disable attack skills.
The entire build revolves around minimizing Shadow Walks drawback.
Gift3d
RETURN OF THE SHOVE SIN!!!
Too bad it's only one chain every 20s though. That's why i liked the shadow prison thing. Just run that and augury of death and could pop off a chain every 8s :\
Too bad it's only one chain every 20s though. That's why i liked the shadow prison thing. Just run that and augury of death and could pop off a chain every 8s :\
Alastair
ahhh yes I see. Misread "non-attack" for "attack".
-Alastair
-Alastair
Tyla
Backbreaker 'Sin and Shattering Assault gets no wub?
Ben-A-BoO
I like it ... still feels a bit slow without IAS but the double KD is nice, as always.
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For me its missing some [blades of steel] you know, just to make sure
I was thinking the same, playing around with it a bit. I just wanted to squeeze in a nice finishing move of some sort ... but couldn't get it to work yet.
GJ though Moriz on getting me back to play around with sin chains.
Thanks for sharing
I was thinking the same, playing around with it a bit. I just wanted to squeeze in a nice finishing move of some sort ... but couldn't get it to work yet.GJ though Moriz on getting me back to play around with sin chains.
Thanks for sharing
moriz
i tried blades of steel as well. however, it's pretty bad on this particular build.
BoS is only good if you can already apply a deepwound, which generally means impale. however, this build cannot run impale, because of shove's "disable all non-attack skill" condition.
the bleeding+poison+deepwound is nice to have, since the chain doesn't do a ton of damage. in gvg, it can drop an archer. in RA/AB, it can drop the average player. that's about all you need out of a pvp assassin these days.
BoS is only good if you can already apply a deepwound, which generally means impale. however, this build cannot run impale, because of shove's "disable all non-attack skill" condition.
the bleeding+poison+deepwound is nice to have, since the chain doesn't do a ton of damage. in gvg, it can drop an archer. in RA/AB, it can drop the average player. that's about all you need out of a pvp assassin these days.
Im in SPAMADAN
No offense but this build is not nearly as gud as the Backbreaker Sin mainly because they have the same weakness ~ signet of humility and they both req K/ds. Secondly, remember horns of the ox got nerfed so it doesn't even nearly do any damaga, so basically all ur dmg comes from the fallers, and twist fangs which doesn't cause enough to create a kill. Also IAS is pretty important >.< IMO. And i do not get how shove cancels out shadow walk? But I'd give this build a okay, but seriously take out HEAL SIG and add sum REZZ SIG.
This is just imo,
spamadan gogo
This is just imo,
spamadan gogo
theonetheonlybruce
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Originally Posted by Im in SPAMADAN
, but seriously take out HEAL SIG and add sum REZZ SIG.
he did say this was mostly a ab build hence no res
Tyla
At Spamadan:
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the new shadow walk disables all attack skills, which does not affect shove. therefore, it's the only shadowstepping assassin that allows you to attack right away.
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Hugh Manatee
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Originally Posted by moriz
it's the only shadowstepping assassin that allows you to attack right away.
They didn't hit [Shadow Fang], it's just 45 seconds and 10 energy... but you still get in someones face and can immediately flip out...
I suppose you could also use [Scorpion Wire] run out to wand range and try and hit them while they're on the ground. Just hope it doesn't get removed before you can trigger it, or that you telegraph your target to much.
I suppose you could also use [Scorpion Wire] run out to wand range and try and hit them while they're on the ground. Just hope it doesn't get removed before you can trigger it, or that you telegraph your target to much.
miskav
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And i do not get how shove cancels out shadow walk?
Because Shove is a touch skill and not an attack skill.
RavagerOfDreams
i ran with
[shove][falling lotus strike][twisting fangs][falling spider][blades of steel][mark of instability] optionals
but yea ideas been around for awhile and with the "death" of shadow stepping me thinks we'll see many coward/moebius/shove sins around.
good idea none-the-less as expected
[shove][falling lotus strike][twisting fangs][falling spider][blades of steel][mark of instability] optionals
but yea ideas been around for awhile and with the "death" of shadow stepping me thinks we'll see many coward/moebius/shove sins around.
good idea none-the-less as expected
DarkNecrid
Shadow Walk is way better than Shadow Fang. End.
RavagerOfDreams
could also go....
[shove] [falling lotus strike] [twisting fangs] [golden phoenix strike] [blades of steel] [assassins remedy] [dark prison]
would get aftercast on that one however
[shove] [falling lotus strike] [twisting fangs] [golden phoenix strike] [blades of steel] [assassins remedy] [dark prison]
would get aftercast on that one however
Bobby2
Lolz. I still pack [skill]grapple[/skill] instead of [skill]healing signet[/skill]
miskav
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Originally Posted by RavagerOfDreams
could also go....
[shove] [falling lotus strike] [twisting fangs] [golden phoenix strike] [blades of steel] [assassins remedy] [dark prison]
would get aftercast on that one however Explain how you'd get the aftercast here instead of with shadow walk?
Aren't the aftercasts the same length?
[shove] [falling lotus strike] [twisting fangs] [golden phoenix strike] [blades of steel] [assassins remedy] [dark prison]
would get aftercast on that one however Explain how you'd get the aftercast here instead of with shadow walk?
Aren't the aftercasts the same length?
RavagerOfDreams
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Originally Posted by miskav
Explain how you'd get the aftercast here instead of with shadow walk?
Aren't the aftercasts the same length? shadow walk has no aftercast only a disable on all atk skills for 1 second. And in that one second you use shove thus bypassing the downside of the shadowstep. However with aftercast you cannot use any skills including shove.
Aren't the aftercasts the same length? shadow walk has no aftercast only a disable on all atk skills for 1 second. And in that one second you use shove thus bypassing the downside of the shadowstep. However with aftercast you cannot use any skills including shove.
Charlotte the Harlot
shock still works as well if you don't mind the exhaustion for a quicker recharge and not taking the elite slot.
Bowstring Badass
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Originally Posted by Charlotte the Harlot
shock still works as well if you don't mind the exhaustion for a quicker recharge and not taking the elite slot.
Honestly a sin bar designed around shove and shock aren't that great. Despite the nerf to shadow steps (most commonly used ones) they are still viable just not as instagibby. XD
Nestaron
I've been just assing about and ended up using this for some reason... Not great but seemed to work somewhat ok in AB... especially if your target just has that little bit extra to survive. Just have to be extremely careful with exhaustion which is a pretty crappy.
[Shadow Walk][Shock][Falling Spider][Horns of the Ox][Falling Lotus Strike][Twisting Fangs][Moebius Strike]
After moebius back to horns of the ox and on you go again.
[Shadow Walk][Shock][Falling Spider][Horns of the Ox][Falling Lotus Strike][Twisting Fangs][Moebius Strike]
After moebius back to horns of the ox and on you go again.
itsvictor
Where's the old thread for this...?This is mostly an ab build tbh and I still remember the day I kicked bobby out of my ab group cause he refused to take out grapple lols...
Bobby2
Can't blame myself. [shadow walk][grapple] is hilarious. 
Mesmer in Need
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Shush. If Anet gets wind of this, the whole Tactics line is going to be Ether Renewal'd because of the Shove sin.
Sorry, but tactics has been dead. The WY nerf (as well as sy) and the LC buff make tactics obsolete.
This build looks fun, but spiking only once every 30 secs seems kind of lame.
This build looks fun, but spiking only once every 30 secs seems kind of lame.
Tyla
Bobby, that is too true to quote.
Shadowstepping out landing on your arse. Good stuff.
Shadowstepping out landing on your arse. Good stuff.
BlackSephir
Surprise buttsecks. Everything you could ever dream of.
DarkNecrid
Build is gud for anything not really GvG. Only being able to spike an NPC every 20s sucks. 
moriz
i used that build in byob. so actually DOES work in gvg.
its effectiveness is similar to an AoD shock assassin tbh; slightly better at surprise buttsecks on players because of the faster attack.
its effectiveness is similar to an AoD shock assassin tbh; slightly better at surprise buttsecks on players because of the faster attack.
I Will Heal You Ally
I find the Shove build slow... waiting 20 sec to recharge is a bit long esp for a sin and his dps... maybe add something to recharge it faster?
Lourens
i use shock instead works great with 38 energy
Bobby2
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Originally Posted by I Will Heal You Ally
I find the Shove build slow... waiting 20 sec to recharge is a bit long esp for a sin and his dps... maybe add something to recharge it faster?
OK this is not personal... but you're not the only one to place such a comment
[shadow prison] has been 25s recharge for a while now and still sees play. Now alluvasudden 20sec chain recharge is a problem?
/confused
[shadow prison] has been 25s recharge for a while now and still sees play. Now alluvasudden 20sec chain recharge is a problem?
/confused
moriz
if you still want to get your instagib fix, try this:
[build prof=A/W dag=12+1+1 crit=12+1 tac=3][assassin's remedy][shove][falling lotus strike][twisting fangs][golden phoenix strike][blades of steel][shadow walk][dash][/build]
much better suited for gvg, since this build WILL instagib. used by mistral edge during the guru tourney.
[build prof=A/W dag=12+1+1 crit=12+1 tac=3][assassin's remedy][shove][falling lotus strike][twisting fangs][golden phoenix strike][blades of steel][shadow walk][dash][/build]
much better suited for gvg, since this build WILL instagib. used by mistral edge during the guru tourney.
RavagerOfDreams
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Originally Posted by moriz
[build prof=A/W dag=12+1+1 crit=12+1 tac=3][assassin's remedy][shove][falling lotus strike] [twisting fangs] [golden phoenix strike][blades of steel][shadow walk][dash][/build]
much better suited for gvg, since this build WILL instagib. used by mistral edge during the guru tourney.
btw moriz Quote:
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Originally Posted by RavagerOfDreams
could also go....
[shove] [falling lotus strike] [twisting fangs] [golden phoenix strike] [blades of steel] [assassins remedy] [dark prison] would get aftercast on that one however i beat you |