Anet inherently discriminate against PvE mesmers?

Now I know this will probably earn me some flames but I figured it was an interesting observation regardless. I'm not sure if this has been posted before, but a quick search didn't turn up anything.

Basically my story begins with me attempting to create or design solo team builds consisting all of one class(minus a variety of henchmen of course). The idea was simply, if I'm a warrior I use 3 warrior heroes, or if I'm a ranger I use 3 ranger heroes. I realized ahead of time that I obviously would not be able to do such a team setup with any of the non core classes as none of the non core classes have greater than 2 heroes.

However, imagine my surprise when I reached the mesmer. A core class with only 2 heroes as that profession?! Why is it that every core class has 3 corresponding heroes but the mesmer only has 2. Could it be that anet thinks the mesmer doesn't belong in PvE and thus doesn't put in 3 corresponding heroes?

Now this on its own might just be seen as an oversight however also note throughout all of nightfall the mesmer hero is not required once not once. Not for any quest, mission or anything. Compare this to every other core class and even the derv/para where each and every one of those classes has at least one mission where a corresponding hero is required.

Personally I think these things just lead to less people having experience with the mesmer profession. Less heroes for mesmers mean people have less experience with them. Less experience means more people will continue to believe the mesmer class is useless or inferior for PvE. Now I know, we all hate being forced to bring a particular hero to a certain mission. But hey, if a mesmer was required for something, more people would have gained some sort of experience with mesmers.

Now this may just be me thinking too deeply into this... but still you have to think its odd that the mesmer is the one core class to be excluded in these 2 situations.

I never noticed that, really - because Gwen is usually in my hero lineup, I guess. And I've seen some really wonderful PvE mesmers, to boot.

EDIT: You said Nightfall heroes, sorry. Still, I don't really notice because you only get Norgu in Vabbi and then only if you don't mess up the Brains or Brawn mission by doing it for the wrong hero, and I've mostly been playing through NF/GWEN with a mez somewhere in the team anyway.

I think you are over analyzing/thinking things.

I think Anet didn't give us 3 Mes heroes is because we don't need 3. I can't think of a time when I'd want to use all my hero slots on Mesmers. It's not like you'd need more so you can have themset up differently, one dom and one illusion is fine to me. Tbh I just use Gwen all the time and just buy a new rune. Mes stuff comes cheap.

About the Mes hero not being needed, I think it's a case of who the hero is (Norgu), and how he fits into the storyline instead of 'Lets screw all the Mesmer fans out there'.

Maybe its because mesmer is an intimidating proffession. It takes some sort of skill and knowledge of the other professions to effectivly shutdown someone. Or maybe ANET couldnt come up with any more interesting mesmer heroes!

No, I don't agree. We get (if you have eotn, and most of us do):

Only 2 paragon heroes
Only 2 ritualist heroes
Only 2 Assassin heroes
Only 2 Dervish heroes...

You get it.

It's not just mesmers

http://guildwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wors...formance._Ever.
http://guildwars.wikia.com/wiki/The_Show_Must_Go_On
http://guildwars.wikia.com/wiki/Summertime_for_Bokka

All 3 require Norgu in the party.

I think it may say more that the mesmer is the only hero profession that's completely optional - not only is Norgu never required for a mission (although he is for some quests... and any quest giving out trade contracts is, IMO, worth doing, even though the price of rubies/sapphires has dropped) but you can reach the end of Nightfall without having a mesmer hero at all if you pick Goren. On the other hand, the same is true for either of the Factions characters, and at least in GWEN the title character is a mesmer, and one of the first heroes you get.

Still, the only characters I took Goren with to start off with was my mesmer and those who already had Gwen by the time they got there.

Still, there is another way of looking at things - that Mesmers typically require less specialised builds. Considering just Nightfall alone - you can have a heal and prot monk (and that is in fact what they point you to - Dunk initially shows up with healing skills and Tahlkora with protection), two out of four different varieties of elementalist (I normally set one up as fire and the other as earth. Vekk tended to end up with air), a hammer warrior and a sword or axe warrior, and an interrupt ranger and a barrage ranger, allowing you to simply choose the right hero for the job rather than be continuously changing builds and equipment. For the mesmer, though, it makes a little more sense to just have one mesmer hero with standard equipment and tweak when needed.

'Course, that doesn't mean I didn't appreciate having a second mesmer hero so I could have one on illusion duty and one on domination - but apart from making four-mesmer H/H teams, I don't really see that there's a need for a third.

Personally, I want three of each profession. It's not because of the 'lack of need' for them as you people state. I'm going to guess, that ArenaNet simply didn't want to put them in. Personally, if I want to be a Paragon and charge with a group of Paragons, I should be allowed.

Now you'll note in my OP I was mainly talking about core classes


sry I meant to say that there is never a primary quest where a mesmer is needed. Basically, a mesmer is never mandatory

No Pansy....

2 paras, 2 rits, 2 assassins, 2 dervish, 2 mesmers. Now... wait one second here...

All the other classes are newer classes. The mesmer was an original. CONSPIRACY!

Anet has betrayed, we, the mesmers. I say we storm their HQ with crappy gold canes and pitchforks (I mean deldrimor staves)

yes we all know anet discriminates against pve mesmers....thats why they gave them cry of pain right? seriously.....

Something about mesmers always rubbed me the wrong way, then when I got EOTN to find that little cute gwen I once knew was now teeenage tramp with an attitude problem that solified my hate for mesmers ever since. In otherwords Anets anti mesmer bias is justified in this wammo's eyes.

That and A/Me, E/Me, Mo/Me, P/Me, W/Me, N/Me, D/Me, Rt/Me, and R/Me.

Like I said, Mesmers got the shaft!

Some of which were popular enough before Cry of Pain.

Which is part of the reason why (winds up for another blow at an equine corpse) I think PvE skills should have been tied to regular attributes rather than titles.

I play the mesmer so I dont need to have 3 heroes.....that said

I really want 4 eles so I can have one of every type (earth, air, water, and fire) instead of having to change one around when I need a different type..

you can always make any hero a 2ndary mesmer and just give them all mezzy skills (would be a hoot to see goren doing some of them....hehehe).

I do have some heroes that never get to see the light of day (goren being one of them)...my mesmers do get to play...and I enjoy doing an all ladies team sometimes!

Uh I just want to tell you that, most people who don't know or understand mesmers, would just throw a crappy build on to their mesmer hero and not know the difference and never learn anything.

Norgu is not needed for anything Primary because he is a side hero. As is Goren, Jin, Sousuke, Zenmai, Olias, Hayda, Anton, Xandra, and the EN Dervish (the Zasalamel wanna-be, forgot his name). You can go through the whole game without any of them. Not to mention all EN heroes are not needed, so any argument for Gwen not needed for anything is thrown out the window. And the whole "mesmers are not important" is thrown out the window as well because one of the 6 main Heroes in EN is a Mesmer.

And for the 3 heroes thing, it was set up to have 25 heroes, not 26. Mesmer is, by overall count, the least liked core profession. That might have been why ANet didn't put in a second mesmer hero in Nightfall.

I do agree with Lady Raenef, add 5 more heroes, one of each profession that has 2 heroes, so we have 30 heroes total. Or, better yet, turn all henchmen into heroes now, so we have around 50 heroes! And along with that, increase the hero limit! (I prefer 5 heroes, but 7 or no limit would work >.>).

Edit: Garethporlest18 is correct on that. People don't know or understand mesmers because people hardly use them. Due to this, they are not liked that much and people won't know what kind of build to run on the heroes. So making them mandatory will just cause massive QQ on a "mission being too hard because of 'stupid Norgu.'"

mesmer don't need to storm any HQ use the force! luke... wait... you can't storm the HQ your a mesmer.!


Back to the OP,

I am in agreement to have 3x of each type of profession heros. hrmz, how do you say that.

you know 3 mesmer heros , 3 ritualist heros, 3 assassin heros etc.

/signed for extra heros to be added in game, because i am also in the process of making my characters using 3x of the same heros.

and this has nothing to do with weather mesmer is a core class or not, i just would very much like to experiment with playing 4xmesmer, or 4x of any class with my heros, using builds i made

Yeah Mesmers have had a hard time in PvE.

But hey...Anet would rather nerf Sins than care about you guys.

Such is life....