http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/wrath...hievements.xml
World of Warcraft will now have titles with the WOTLK expansion. Some of the titles are the exact same I.E World exploration.
World Of Warcraft Copies Guild Wars Titles!
Toxage
Silvertalen
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| World of Warcraft's achievements system will launch with more than 500 individual achievements covering every aspect of gameplay, including world exploration, PvE, PvP, professions, and character development; from the purely whimsical to the truly epic, there will be something for everyone. Some achievements come with in-game rewards such as tabards, vanity pets, and titles. All of these rewards are purely cosmetic and just for fun, but you'll certainly stand out when you proudly display them. |
Darkobra
Not another game succumbing to the achievement farmers... I blame Microsoft.
DarkNecrid
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Okay, I'm going to try to not rip you apart for this, I'm going to really really try, because people who say something invented something without having any RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOING IDEA piss me off royally.
FIRST OFF:
GUILD WARS DIDN'T INVENT TITLES. They are a current generation feature, that was done first on the X-Box 360 this generation, but has been a feature in games before it.
SECOND OFF:
WORLD OF WARCRAFT IS JUST UPDATING TO MEET THE CURRENT GENERATION SPECS. It is becoming more current-gen. It is updating the graphics engine a bit. It is adding nex-gen features like achivements.
THIRD OFF:
WOW SOME OF THE TITLES ARE THE SAME??? Yeah because Guild Wars obviously invented the idea of exploring the map. NO.
FOURTH OFF:
THE NEXT TIME I SEE SOMEONE DO THIS I AM GOING TO FLIP OUT. It's dumb and uneducated. (Okay, not really, but still >: ( )
That was me not ripping you apart. (bet you want to see what me ripping you apart looks like, eh? :P)
ps: i'm not actually angry and if anyone took this as me seriously angry then lol @ you.
Okay, I'm going to try to not rip you apart for this, I'm going to really really try, because people who say something invented something without having any RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOING IDEA piss me off royally.
FIRST OFF:
GUILD WARS DIDN'T INVENT TITLES. They are a current generation feature, that was done first on the X-Box 360 this generation, but has been a feature in games before it.
SECOND OFF:
WORLD OF WARCRAFT IS JUST UPDATING TO MEET THE CURRENT GENERATION SPECS. It is becoming more current-gen. It is updating the graphics engine a bit. It is adding nex-gen features like achivements.
THIRD OFF:
WOW SOME OF THE TITLES ARE THE SAME??? Yeah because Guild Wars obviously invented the idea of exploring the map. NO.
FOURTH OFF:
THE NEXT TIME I SEE SOMEONE DO THIS I AM GOING TO FLIP OUT. It's dumb and uneducated. (Okay, not really, but still >: ( )
That was me not ripping you apart. (bet you want to see what me ripping you apart looks like, eh? :P)
ps: i'm not actually angry and if anyone took this as me seriously angry then lol @ you.
farmerfez
reputations is the same also 0o
shoyon456
Honestly, it sounds like WoW is making titles ALOT better and more in depth than gw.
farmerfez
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Honestly, it sounds like WoW is making titles ALOT better and more in depth than gw.
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and to the raging man a couple posts above. loaz i herd u liekz mudkipz
Darkobra
Actually, this brings me to another thing. They already HAVE titles. Hated, Unfriendly, Neutral, Friendly, Honoured, Revered, Exalted. Isn't THAT enough of a grind for them?
DarkNecrid
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Actually, this brings me to another thing. They already HAVE titles. Hated, Unfriendly, Neutral, Friendly, Honoured, Revered, Exalted. Isn't THAT enough of a grind for them?
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This is nothing new except for people who don't know anything about the game.
And it's still not "copied from Guild Wars". You'd have to be pretty uninformed to think Guild Wars came up with the concept of the title system.
Fay Vert
How long before they are not simply cosmetic?
Tatile
This came up a while ago in Off Topic as well. We had a laugh, discussed titles, decieded that GW didn't have them first. All was well.
upier
Oh crap!
It SPREADS!??!?!
And I was hoping it would die with GW1.
It SPREADS!??!?!
And I was hoping it would die with GW1.
DarkNecrid
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cool down DarkNecrid.
i was trying to download your template thing over on the other forums, it gives me a broken link. |
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Everyone gives credit to the wrong shit. The GW2 topics are awful and I have to take my head and forcefully pound it against my keyboard 50 times until I get knocked out and have amnesia so I forget I ever went into it. If I don't do this the resulting posts would blow up the forums. I have never seen such stupidity in my life. In one of the early topics someone said it was becoming WoW because they added jumping and swimming.
Because WoW totally invented jumping and swimming.
~_~
fenix
Yeah, because Guild Wars invented the achievements, right?
Right?
Right?
Crom The Pale
People have been comparing GW to WoW since the day it came out.
Its only natural that then WoW adds something that we have already seen in GW people are going to start to shout "OMG WoW is copping GW!"
There is not much in EITHER game that has not existed in some form or another in a previous game.
Its only natural that then WoW adds something that we have already seen in GW people are going to start to shout "OMG WoW is copping GW!"
There is not much in EITHER game that has not existed in some form or another in a previous game.
Ultima pyromancer
Obvuoisly, Blizzard understand that WoW is dying (Yes!! it's true)
By making all this grind material, it gives people something to do and makes them more attached to their character. Its a very smart move, considering Grind of conan has the potential to be an actually decent game, it just needs updates as its in early stages.
Now when warhammer online comes out, i bet 40% of the WoW community will migrate to that.
Waiting on Warhammer
Its about survival, adding grind and achievements makes people want to do things instead of just powerlevlling then raiding the same dragon every night
Guild wars did this from the start as they knew after getting to level 20, then Doing FoW PvE was pretty much over back when only prophecies existed.
By making all this grind material, it gives people something to do and makes them more attached to their character. Its a very smart move, considering Grind of conan has the potential to be an actually decent game, it just needs updates as its in early stages.
Now when warhammer online comes out, i bet 40% of the WoW community will migrate to that.
Waiting on Warhammer
Its about survival, adding grind and achievements makes people want to do things instead of just powerlevlling then raiding the same dragon every night
Guild wars did this from the start as they knew after getting to level 20, then Doing FoW PvE was pretty much over back when only prophecies existed.
fireflyry
Sounds like a slightly better system than GW though.
CoH had the same thing with the badge system.
The more easily accessible titles you have the less people care about them.
CoH had the same thing with the badge system.
The more easily accessible titles you have the less people care about them.
DarkNecrid
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Obvuoisly, Blizzard understand that WoW is dying (Yes!! it's true)
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WoW's subscription number actually went up over the past month. It has yet to go down.
So uh...tell me...it's dying how again?
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If they want to not face the same fate as AoC, they are going to need to rework that pos game HARD.
And by hard I mean they need to either redo every facet of it, or something, because every facet of WHO needs need to be improved by at least 100 fold to be something even remotely decent.
What makes taking an MMO down hard isn't necessarily the fact that people get attached to their characters (tho that is part of it), but the fact that after 5+ years when you get a good MMO like WoW (largest subscribers to an MMO ever, and it is only going up) going, all its competitors that would take subscribers away (and I mean away, not people who pay for it and play another subscription game) have to be stable. Something AoC isn't, and WHO isn't (atm). Because after 5+ years, WoW is very stable, has an assload of content, etc.
You need to be able to stand on your own two feet at launch, something most MMO's (AoC, Vanguard, Rome Online, Fury....I could go on.) fail at.
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Though it's something GW2 will probably do, since GW1 did it so damn well.
captain_carter
Isn't Warhammer online still in the NDA phase of Beta?
BlackSephir
Ultima Online had titles.
The Glorious Lord BlackSephir, Elder Warrior.
So stop bawing with your pathetic "zomg thei copy from my gaem!1"
The Glorious Lord BlackSephir, Elder Warrior.
So stop bawing with your pathetic "zomg thei copy from my gaem!1"
DarkNecrid
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Isn't Warhammer online still in the NDA phase of Beta?
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There is no way they are going to be able to make it good unless if they delay it even more, which will just piss people off. So they won't, and then people will play it cause they were forced to release it early, which will just piss people off.
Hmmm, this sounds oddly familiar.
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mcsumo
I think you are all being very silly. The idea of doing 'well' at something in a game, just so you can show off to other people, has been around since the dawn of computing. It's called a high score, that is pretty much all a 'title' is. A fancy, specific high score. Definitely not a next gen thing.
WoW is having to evolve and adapt as Blizzard realise they will suffer more and more threat to their 'market leader' position.
Personally I have never liked WoW despite trying to get into it several times. That doesn't make it a bad game though. Neither does the fact that they built the game using a whole bunch of ideas, that had already proved popular amongst MMO pioneers.
Nobody is truly copying anyone else, everything has just steadily evolved, from the Ultima and Phantasie (I played these) days to where we are now. Just play what you want and if anyone else doesn't like it sod em!! .... end of.
WoW is having to evolve and adapt as Blizzard realise they will suffer more and more threat to their 'market leader' position.
Personally I have never liked WoW despite trying to get into it several times. That doesn't make it a bad game though. Neither does the fact that they built the game using a whole bunch of ideas, that had already proved popular amongst MMO pioneers.
Nobody is truly copying anyone else, everything has just steadily evolved, from the Ultima and Phantasie (I played these) days to where we are now. Just play what you want and if anyone else doesn't like it sod em!! .... end of.
DarkNecrid
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I think you are all being very silly. The idea of doing 'well' at something in a game, just so you can show off to other people, has been around since the dawn of computing. It's called a high score, that is pretty much all a 'title' is. A fancy, specific high score. Definitely not a next gen thing. WoW is having to evolve and adapt as Blizzard realise they will suffer more and more threat to their 'market leader' position. Personally I have never liked WoW despite trying to get into it several times. That doesn't make it a bad game though. Neither does the fact that they built the game using a whole bunch of ideas, that had already proved popular amongst MMO pioneers. Nobody is truly copying anyone else, everything has just steadily evolved, from the Ultima and Phantasie (I played these) days to where we are now. Just play what you want and if anyone else doesn't like it sod em!! .... end of. |
They don't have much of a threat atm, but they will eventually. They're just solidifying their position by adding something that has been around forever in gaming. (though I disagree on the high score/title comparison. They serve different purposes.)
Nothing new!
EDIT: Well except for the fact that WoW is adding achievements of course.
(also we've had topics on this before too. ;( )
Free Runner
I really cant wait for GW2 to be released so the forums can blow up with "OMG GW2 STOLE *insert item/mechanic/quest here* FROM WOW LOLZ DISCUSS"
GoodApollo1234
I normally try to avoid just posting things like "who cares," but I seriously fail to see the reason any of us should care about this.
It's a game that none of us play and most of us hate. Crapping our pants because Blizzard looked at GW and said "hey, that's a good idea" isn't going to make Anet's fanbase look any better.
It's a compliment, IF ANYTING.
It's a game that none of us play and most of us hate. Crapping our pants because Blizzard looked at GW and said "hey, that's a good idea" isn't going to make Anet's fanbase look any better.
It's a compliment, IF ANYTING.
Longasc
I am playing WoW at the moment, and must say I am not pleased that they copy all the grindy aspects of GW.
Some titles seem to be more fleshed out, the basic concept however is very much like in GW.
They also copied some of the "worst" ideas regarding titles, IMO: The "hug" title is a direct copy of the Lord of the Rings "the beloved" title, that you gain after "kissing" people per emote 100 times.
Heck, you even get a title for changing your hairstyle in the barbershop (a good idea, the barbershop, the title is the cheesy thing)
I wonder how they will implement the achievement points - so far they seem to give only cosmetic rewards, nothing else. Just like GW.
I am still sceptical. TITLE HUNT changed the GW mentality fundamentally. As stupid as it is, and as optional as it is, it turned the game into a do this, do that grind. At least for me.
Well, maybe it is time to get over MMOs in general. Maybe it is really time for a next generation MMO that copies more the world feeling aspect that the good old Ultima Online has/had.
P.S.: It is not really that important whole stole which idea from whom, the freaking issue is that they always seem to steal the worst idea of the competitors...^^
Some titles seem to be more fleshed out, the basic concept however is very much like in GW.
They also copied some of the "worst" ideas regarding titles, IMO: The "hug" title is a direct copy of the Lord of the Rings "the beloved" title, that you gain after "kissing" people per emote 100 times.
Heck, you even get a title for changing your hairstyle in the barbershop (a good idea, the barbershop, the title is the cheesy thing)
I wonder how they will implement the achievement points - so far they seem to give only cosmetic rewards, nothing else. Just like GW.
I am still sceptical. TITLE HUNT changed the GW mentality fundamentally. As stupid as it is, and as optional as it is, it turned the game into a do this, do that grind. At least for me.
Well, maybe it is time to get over MMOs in general. Maybe it is really time for a next generation MMO that copies more the world feeling aspect that the good old Ultima Online has/had.
P.S.: It is not really that important whole stole which idea from whom, the freaking issue is that they always seem to steal the worst idea of the competitors...^^
N1ghtstalker
whaw
what smart man would want to copy boring grind titles into his game?
what smart man would want to copy boring grind titles into his game?
romeus petrus
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whaw
what smart man would want to copy boring grind titles into his game? |
DarkNecrid
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whaw
what smart man would want to copy boring grind titles into his game? |
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Darkobra
Next up on WoW: Survivor! Get to level 70 without dying once! Well, with WotLK, it will be 80. Man, that's gonna hurt for a Survivor.
N1ghtstalker
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A man whose game is getting old and boring.
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the last expansion is the grind expansion
comes with hours of boring grinding and bashing your head on your desk
bigtime102
Good for them, they should have had this in there earlier especially since they rely on monthly subs it should have been a no brainer.
But thats all its really good for, filler, something to do when the content is over, which I dont mind what esle you going to do? Nothing? ... its better than nothing. The problems start when the grind becomes for real pve advanatges like in the form of maxing a skill, as long as its for vanity like Survivor, explorer etc then I dont mind. But they gotta give the skilled players something to show off and right now therse nothing, 99% of the titles are grind based, not skill.
But thats all its really good for, filler, something to do when the content is over, which I dont mind what esle you going to do? Nothing? ... its better than nothing. The problems start when the grind becomes for real pve advanatges like in the form of maxing a skill, as long as its for vanity like Survivor, explorer etc then I dont mind. But they gotta give the skilled players something to show off and right now therse nothing, 99% of the titles are grind based, not skill.
DarkNecrid
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Next up on WoW: Survivor! Get to level 70 without dying once! Well, with WotLK, it will be 80. Man, that's gonna hurt for a Survivor.
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If you're on a PvE server.
OOshadeOO
go cry cus WoW is better and you cant afford monthly subscriptions?
CronkTheImpaler
on a somewhat related topic. (i have to preface this by saying i dont know diddly about WOW. i did the trial it was cool: FULLSTOP anyways take a look at there skills and GW's, some actually are identical in name. a friend of mine plays wow religeously and we were comparing notes. it was flat out hilarious. then the whole dungeon thing, chained instances etc. lets face it the general idea between both games is similar they just get there in a different way. on the whole the two games are light years apart aside from being MMO's.
Cronk
anyways take a look at there skills and GW's, some actually are identical in name. a friend of mine plays wow religeously and we were comparing notes. it was flat out hilarious. then the whole dungeon thing, chained instances etc. lets face it the general idea between both games is similar they just get there in a different way. on the whole the two games are light years apart aside from being MMO's.Cronk
romeus petrus
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so it's like Guild wars
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DarkNecrid
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I couldnt agree more. It is sad to see both GW and WoW reach such a pathetic level of rewarding mindless grind. The difference is mindless grind was not part of the GW design in the beginning, while at least some grinding was always there in WoW.
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None of the titles affected skills, or gave you anything. Just for looks. That was okay with me, because it did what the achievement system is supposed to do: prolong gameplay for those who like to be "perfectionists" without affecting the experience of those who don't.
Nightfall changed this.
N1ghtstalker
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I couldnt agree more. It is sad to see both GW and WoW reach such a pathetic level of rewarding mindless grind. The difference is mindless grind was not part of the GW design in the beginning, while at least some grinding was always there in WoW.
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compare the grind of titles on GW like norn, asuran etc with other games like Team Fortress 2, TF2 has achievements but they'er not about grinding your scores but they're very creative and fun to do
too bad i never saw such challenges in GW
would be fun for a list of achievements from easy to harder
like "Perform a /taunt emote over a dead Charr boss" or "Kill 5 enemies while suffering under the Dazed and Blind condition"
AidinSwiftarrow
I actually play WoW, but eh, it looks like there a LOT of achievements, 100's maybe. There's simple ones like getting you hair cut(in the expansion) to getting 1,000 kills in PvP. There's a lot of diversity IMO, I'm looking forward to it. Maybe you can get something when you have a certain amount of achievement points ^_^
Alex the Great
hehe, now wow has the cancer! Titles screwed up GW, and now it's WoW's turn