Then of course you have those who just ping and scribble on the map so you can not see where you are going or plan out any tactics. GAH!
Just a thought.
Obscene Mini-Map Drawings?
Ramus
This is an issue that occasionally bugs me. While in a random group of people, you have the immature player who draws things on the minimap. Or writes curses, etc. It sometimes gets ridiculous, I had one team-mate drawing boobs and other such things the entire mission. The worst part is, you can not tell WHO is doing it. I think that the minimap should have colored lines and dots, that way each member of the group is assigned a color and you can tell who it is being a complete idiot.
Then of course you have those who just ping and scribble on the map so you can not see where you are going or plan out any tactics. GAH!
Just a thought.
Then of course you have those who just ping and scribble on the map so you can not see where you are going or plan out any tactics. GAH!
Just a thought.
Digitalblast
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sad just sad.
sad just sad.
Master Elyas
yes... very
although, y not just ask them to stop? if your the leader of the group, they should... but then again, im almost always partying with my guild members, and im ok with them pinging and scribbling cuz they stop when there are monsters on the map...
although, y not just ask them to stop? if your the leader of the group, they should... but then again, im almost always partying with my guild members, and im ok with them pinging and scribbling cuz they stop when there are monsters on the map...
Mountain Man
Colored lines would be helpful, as would the ability to "ignore" drawings from specific players.
Master Elyas
yea... that would be nice as well
Rizzen Khalazar
That is kinda funny, but sad at the same time. The map does come in handy as you can be told where to go, or what to attack next. But I agree, coloured lines for each party member would be nice. Just have to hope everyone doesnt go nuts on the map at the same time 
Master Elyas
roflmao
ive actually coordinated 6 ppl to all do it at the same time... to see if we can fill the map completely with white lines... fun fun
ive actually coordinated 6 ppl to all do it at the same time... to see if we can fill the map completely with white lines... fun fun
Deku
Just ignore the immature person and he will quickly get bored.
Master Elyas
no he wont...
thats what being immature is... they just dont stop
thats what being immature is... they just dont stop
Ramus
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Just ignore the immature person and he will quickly get bored.
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Master Elyas
yes... and you cant stop them...
they are like... cancer
they spread through all kinds of games, from EQ, to WoW, to Knight Online, and all the way to GW!!!
any more of this, and it will degrade my brain...
the stupidity of ppl rub off on me, and i also become stupid... its wierd...
they are like... cancer
they spread through all kinds of games, from EQ, to WoW, to Knight Online, and all the way to GW!!!
any more of this, and it will degrade my brain...
the stupidity of ppl rub off on me, and i also become stupid... its wierd...
chalt2
As proven by your last 3 posts..
Master Elyas
exactly
Pevil Lihatuh
yeah i've encountered some of these. unless they actually fill the map so i can't see where im going, i tend to ignore the lines (oh so artistic some of them *rolls eyes*) but the constant dinging can be annoying, especially if you are in battle... how do you know one of those 10 dings isn't a real call for help?
I usually just ask whoever it is to stop doing that, and if they persist then I will explain to them firmly but politely why it is annoying. Then if they keep going they end up on ignore
I usually just ask whoever it is to stop doing that, and if they persist then I will explain to them firmly but politely why it is annoying. Then if they keep going they end up on ignore
wussy_woy
Maybe funny at first, but having someone just totally fill up the map would get annoying quick. Obscene drawing would probably make me laugh if I wasn't expecting it.
Ramus
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As proven by your last 3 posts..
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Master Elyas
yes... yes it was... but then again...
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Stev0
Maybe the Team Leader should have real powers. Being able to mute/kick underlings in the group he has put together.
If someone starts to abuse his communication priviledges ... they can be muted. If later on down the road they get into trouble and cannot call for help. Thats THEIR problem.
Thing is ... this game should run with player reputations in effect. When some people get bad reps and they become shunned by other players then it will be a point for others to think about. Reputations can be either through word of mouth or through how many times that person gets muted by their leader vs. missions taken.
This way. Keep from being muted/kicked and put in strats and info that retain your good standing. When people see your rep based on interaction with other teams, they will know what they are dealing with. Word of mouth is only as good as how far it travels.
I'm not innocent of this because 1 or 2 times in a random group I have drawn a happy face on the map on purpose and when adventuring with a friend of mine I have drawn (. Y .) ... well you know.
If someone starts to abuse his communication priviledges ... they can be muted. If later on down the road they get into trouble and cannot call for help. Thats THEIR problem.
Thing is ... this game should run with player reputations in effect. When some people get bad reps and they become shunned by other players then it will be a point for others to think about. Reputations can be either through word of mouth or through how many times that person gets muted by their leader vs. missions taken.
This way. Keep from being muted/kicked and put in strats and info that retain your good standing. When people see your rep based on interaction with other teams, they will know what they are dealing with. Word of mouth is only as good as how far it travels.
I'm not innocent of this because 1 or 2 times in a random group I have drawn a happy face on the map on purpose and when adventuring with a friend of mine I have drawn (. Y .) ... well you know.
Ramus
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Maybe the Team Leader should have real powers. Being able to mute/kick underlings in the group he has put together.
If someone starts to abuse his communication priviledges ... they can be muted. If later on down the road they get into trouble and cannot call for help. Thats THEIR problem. Thing is ... this game should run with player reputations in effect. When some people get bad reps and they become shunned by other players then it will be a point for others to think about. Reputations can be either through word of mouth or through how many times that person gets muted by their leader vs. missions taken. This way. Keep from being muted/kicked and put in strats and info that retain your good standing. When people see your rep based on interaction with other teams, they will know what they are dealing with. Word of mouth is only as good as how far it travels. |
Stev0
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Unfortunately you will have players abuse that and do things to get you a bad rep on purpose.
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MoMan
Stev0, I kinda like your idea but it might need some work.
Maybe we could have an annoyance rating, where you can rate a player on how obscense / rude he is. That way if you have a team mate thats just an idiot or you just got scammed in a trade, you can rate a person poorly. There ratings would be collective and viewable to everyone so that everyone is warned whenever dealing with the person, and possibly ignore them. Maybe the negative ratings would decrease gradually over time (a long) time so that a person grows up and becomes mature, their previous ratings wouldnt hurt them
Maybe we could have an annoyance rating, where you can rate a player on how obscense / rude he is. That way if you have a team mate thats just an idiot or you just got scammed in a trade, you can rate a person poorly. There ratings would be collective and viewable to everyone so that everyone is warned whenever dealing with the person, and possibly ignore them. Maybe the negative ratings would decrease gradually over time (a long) time so that a person grows up and becomes mature, their previous ratings wouldnt hurt them
Soul Monarch
It certainly would be handy, but I don't think I'd ever find a real use for it.
Most of the time I'm in a mission with my guild I tend to sort of 'lead' people through. (I have a photographic memory, so I tend to memorize paths and exactly where each grouping of guys is...)
But if I run with a pick-up group (which is almost never, because they're idiots 90% of the time) no one ever leads the group. Everyone just seems to do their own thing and hope for the best. So, honestly, I've never found a use for the map drawing unless I'm with a group that understand communication and teamwork (i.e. my guild.)
It would be nice if the leader could take away the ability to use the map though. I'm sure a lot of folks would like that.
Most of the time I'm in a mission with my guild I tend to sort of 'lead' people through. (I have a photographic memory, so I tend to memorize paths and exactly where each grouping of guys is...)
But if I run with a pick-up group (which is almost never, because they're idiots 90% of the time) no one ever leads the group. Everyone just seems to do their own thing and hope for the best. So, honestly, I've never found a use for the map drawing unless I'm with a group that understand communication and teamwork (i.e. my guild.)
It would be nice if the leader could take away the ability to use the map though. I'm sure a lot of folks would like that.
Tyveil
This is why it is good to get in a guild where you know people aren't going to be immature idiots.
On a similar note. I use called targets a lot when I'm in groups where apparently nobody else knows how to do this. This causes map pings and I've had people get mad because they think it's just another idiot doing random pings.
On a similar note. I use called targets a lot when I'm in groups where apparently nobody else knows how to do this. This causes map pings and I've had people get mad because they think it's just another idiot doing random pings.
Stev0
I guess game engine-wise. A mute is -3 points, A kick is -5 points, A successful mission is +10 points, A vote of confidence is +3 points ... all votes can only be given once by another player, your first impression kind of deal.
This way you wont have 2 guys doing missions all the time and constantly voting each other +3 EVERY mission. Obviously a successful mission is NOT a vote and working together can only achieve this.
Work well with others - get a good rep.
Also this could work for trading as well in some manner.
This way you wont have 2 guys doing missions all the time and constantly voting each other +3 EVERY mission. Obviously a successful mission is NOT a vote and working together can only achieve this.
Work well with others - get a good rep.
Also this could work for trading as well in some manner.
Master Elyas
lol... yea, i hate when that happens Tyveil...... or, when someone doesnt know the ctrl+click thing, and u keep trying 2 explain, and the dude is just so daft that he doesnt get it... like, how frikken hard can it be? i learnt of it when i first started the BWE's in March for god sake!!
p.s.- i guess all the ppl who didnt know of the ctrl+click action yet, now knows... so, go try it out... and if u cant do it, dont frikken cry... just keep trying...
p.s.- i guess all the ppl who didnt know of the ctrl+click action yet, now knows... so, go try it out... and if u cant do it, dont frikken cry... just keep trying...
Stev0
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I use called targets a lot when I'm in groups where apparently nobody else knows how to do this. This causes map pings and I've had people get mad because they think it's just another idiot doing random pings.
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Deadroot
I don't think colored lines would be a good idea, some colors just wouldn't show up clearly enough on the mini-map when it needs to be used. I think something like the called target icon would be helpful here. Some little icon that shows up next to a person's name on the party window to indicate he/she is currently pinging or drawing on the map. Or maybe have their name glow for a moment or something like that.
Even if there's no way to stop them, you know who it is and can avoid partying up with them in the future. If the person is annoying enough, you could just leave the mission, reform the party and try again.
Even if there's no way to stop them, you know who it is and can avoid partying up with them in the future. If the person is annoying enough, you could just leave the mission, reform the party and try again.
Stev0
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lol... yea, i hate when that happens Tyveil...... or, when someone doesnt know the ctrl+click thing, and u keep trying 2 explain, and the dude is just so daft that he doesnt get it... like, how frikken hard can it be? i learnt of it when i first started the BWE's in March for god sake!!
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Master Elyas
what if they are bright colors? like.. blue, red, yellow, and orange?
that would work... and also, there will have to be like... green and stuff...
that would work... and also, there will have to be like... green and stuff...
Mountain Man
Problem with that sort of voluntary rating system is that it can be abused. Say someone tries to scam another player in a trade so he gets dinged with a reputation hit. He gets upset and gathers his buddies together in order to deliberately hurt the reputation of the player who did nothing but report the fact that someone had attempted to scam him.
In short, unless there was some way to objectively regulate the reputation system, it would be largely ineffective.
In short, unless there was some way to objectively regulate the reputation system, it would be largely ineffective.
Master Elyas
nono... stev0, that is not the callout action... roflmao... the call out action is ctrl+space
and i guess u didnt know what ctrl+click was... try doing it to ur lvl bar... or ur life bar... or something
and i guess u didnt know what ctrl+click was... try doing it to ur lvl bar... or ur life bar... or something
Ramus
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Problem with that sort of voluntary rating system is that it can be abused. Say someone tries to scam another player in a trade so he gets dinged with a reputation hit. He gets upset and gathers his buddies together in order to deliberately hurt the reputation of the player who did nothing but report the fact that someone had attempted to scam him.
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Stev0
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I don't think colored lines would be a good idea, some colors just wouldn't show up clearly enough on the mini-map when it needs to be used. I think something like the called target icon would be helpful here. Some little icon that shows up next to a person's name on the party window to indicate he/she is currently pinging or drawing on the map. Or maybe have their name glow for a moment or something like that.
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Willow
Gosh, some of you are much more patient than me.
When I grouped with someone who kept drawing profane symbols on the map, I said to the group- whoever's doing that, stop it. They kept doing it. I left.
When I grouped with someone who kept drawing profane symbols on the map, I said to the group- whoever's doing that, stop it. They kept doing it. I left.
Master Elyas
lol... im not bothered by all that stuff... probably cuz im a teenager, but meh... it just doesnt affect me... and sometimes, we have contests in my guild on who can draw the best on the map..
sadly, i suck at it...
sadly, i suck at it...
Deadroot
And if the leader of the group happens to be the immature player?...
I could just see it now, some annoying brat forms a group, acts real nice and everyone goes through the mission just fine. They are at the end, have the final boss low on life, and the "leader" boots everyone from the group so he can finish the quest alone. There may not be a bonus for finishing the last guy off alone, but he gets the twisted satisfaction of making others play through the entire map without getting to finish it (and if he already did the mission, its not like he cares if he's able to complete it or not).
I could just see it now, some annoying brat forms a group, acts real nice and everyone goes through the mission just fine. They are at the end, have the final boss low on life, and the "leader" boots everyone from the group so he can finish the quest alone. There may not be a bonus for finishing the last guy off alone, but he gets the twisted satisfaction of making others play through the entire map without getting to finish it (and if he already did the mission, its not like he cares if he's able to complete it or not).
DarkWasp
Just be comforted by the fact that the immature player is being outdone by Orian(Mage Henchman) back in old ascalon. Regardless of that players level. That thinking works for me.
Stev0
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Problem with that sort of voluntary rating system is that it can be abused. Say someone tries to scam another player in a trade so he gets dinged with a reputation hit. He gets upset and gathers his buddies together in order to deliberately hurt the reputation of the player who did nothing but report the fact that someone had attempted to scam him.
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Dumb Quixote
The map is a useful tool I seldom see getting used, let alone abused. I mainly use it for the 'that-a-way' arrow or the green quest pointer. Even if others are misusing it, I keep my compass so small I can't imagine seeing anything other than squiggles anyway.
I do use the call target and target called target commands and wish others would do so more often. The pings seem unnessary since the chat text says I'm calling targets (I also announce I will be doing this in the beginning of the quests/missions). Still, this does appear to show up as spam with big monster packs. On the flip side, it keeps the team awake
I do use the call target and target called target commands and wish others would do so more often. The pings seem unnessary since the chat text says I'm calling targets (I also announce I will be doing this in the beginning of the quests/missions). Still, this does appear to show up as spam with big monster packs. On the flip side, it keeps the team awake
Mountain Man
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The system still takes care of itself. Take a look at ebay's rating system.
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