The only thing they need to improve: Marketing.
When the game is finished, or near completion, they should get on the ad-train and show us all the advantages compared to other MMOs (no monthly fee comes to mind). Make teasers, trailers, beta-weekends, hell, maybe even make a TV-Ad, you should now have the money to push your product.
If this is done right it will not only bring back former players, it could add a huge amount of new ones.
Anet is Waiting for a Reason
Rehnahvah Gahro
Avarre
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P.S. PvP for armor upgrades (WoW) or PvP for friggin' cash money (GW).
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C2K
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Diablo 3 didn't look very impressive in the Gameplay Trailer. It has the mana/life bubbles from God of War, and overall looks just like Titan Quest. Not alot of new ideas.
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And Titan's Quest looks like the old Diablo games. Titan's Quest is modelled after Diablo 2.
Maybe Blizzard is sticking to the formula that made Diablo such a success, you know, like some other company probably should have done with their game.
Longasc
I wonder how GW2 will position itself between the competitors.
WoW and Warhammer Online for the more standard MMO type and Diablo 3 style games.
I did not like Titan Quest, and I will probably not like Diablo 3 if it is going to be like Diablo 2 or TQ either. As I was younger I liked the hack and slash, but you get bored of it, Titan Quest bored me to hell - I doubt I can get back to this style of game and wonder what Blizzard will do to make Diablo 3 a success without making it too different from Diablo 2. Somehow they always manage to have success.
WoW and Warhammer Online for the more standard MMO type and Diablo 3 style games.
I did not like Titan Quest, and I will probably not like Diablo 3 if it is going to be like Diablo 2 or TQ either. As I was younger I liked the hack and slash, but you get bored of it, Titan Quest bored me to hell - I doubt I can get back to this style of game and wonder what Blizzard will do to make Diablo 3 a success without making it too different from Diablo 2. Somehow they always manage to have success.
Jetdoc
I agree...the biggest danger for GW2 is D3. I know that some have the ability (and free time!) to play both, but many of us are of the sort that they'd rather get immersed in a single game than bounce around several games.
Timing may be a key here (i.e. which one gets released first), so A-Net may feel "under the gun". I know that I have absolutely no interest in AoC or Warhammer Online, so my fingers are twitching for one of these two to get released. At least I have Spore to tide me over...
Timing may be a key here (i.e. which one gets released first), so A-Net may feel "under the gun". I know that I have absolutely no interest in AoC or Warhammer Online, so my fingers are twitching for one of these two to get released. At least I have Spore to tide me over...
fireflyry
Personally I'm holding out for the Marvel and DC MMO's as I was a huge fan of City of Heroes but the numbers in that game are dying although I had a great 2 years.
If they, or a sequel to CoH, hit before GW2 and are any good I doubt GW2 will even be a concern for me.
Also I think you will start to see a lot more catering to player needs and wants in the MMO market.If anything this has been the first real generation of truly popular MMO gameplay in a market where a lot more people are able to play and garner access.
I don't see WoW being anywhere near as dominant on the market in 5-10 years.
Not everyone wants to be an Elf, Wizard, Barbarian and once more realistic and quality options appear I'm pretty sure the players will define the market a lot more than they are able to at present.
As for Anet holding out I'm pretty sure it's to keep people playing GW.
If they, or a sequel to CoH, hit before GW2 and are any good I doubt GW2 will even be a concern for me.
Also I think you will start to see a lot more catering to player needs and wants in the MMO market.If anything this has been the first real generation of truly popular MMO gameplay in a market where a lot more people are able to play and garner access.
I don't see WoW being anywhere near as dominant on the market in 5-10 years.
Not everyone wants to be an Elf, Wizard, Barbarian and once more realistic and quality options appear I'm pretty sure the players will define the market a lot more than they are able to at present.
As for Anet holding out I'm pretty sure it's to keep people playing GW.
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Diablo had the bubbles first, they didn't rip it off from anyone.
And Titan's Quest looks like the old Diablo games. Titan's Quest is modelled after Diablo 2. Maybe Blizzard is sticking to the formula that made Diablo such a success, you know, like some other company probably should have done with their game. |
zamial
I think, Purley speculation here, It is a hardware level. When GW2 is released the nahalm chips will be the "new" chip for gamers. I think that guildwars, graphically, is second to none for games of its age. I also think they are going to drop the bomb for graphics, that is 1 major thing that GW has, its beautiful. To hold true to that, it will have DX10 support(this does not mean dx10 only).
Just take a look at the "high end" (overhyped) crysis game. It is used as a benchmark for hardware. While, I do not think that GW2 will be that demanding, I do think that the "median" gamming machine at time of release is going to be higher than it is now. To truly satisfy and corner the market their game will need to be the best graphically, as it was 3 years ago, making improvements in expantions.
Linky:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ctX_10_support
As far as release dates, look at Spore, the game that has been "worked on" for years and still not released.
Just take a look at the "high end" (overhyped) crysis game. It is used as a benchmark for hardware. While, I do not think that GW2 will be that demanding, I do think that the "median" gamming machine at time of release is going to be higher than it is now. To truly satisfy and corner the market their game will need to be the best graphically, as it was 3 years ago, making improvements in expantions.
Linky:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ctX_10_support
As far as release dates, look at Spore, the game that has been "worked on" for years and still not released.
StormDragonZ
If ANet is waiting for a reason, I'll be glad to tell them this...
It is better to be original than better than everyone else. Lately, all I've seen lately are the same situations with the same build up and climax.
You want an idea?
Try having a villain who isn't trying to destroy the world. Let's say he's planning to kill everyone except himself so he can be at peace and live in the world he's always dreamed of.
Unless that already has been done twenty times over in games, think about trying to be original.
Nonetheless, I have two ways to look at this:
1- GW2 will not come out, ANet had lied about it and eventually will decide that Guild Wars had fun, but it is time to move on to new things.
2- GW2 will come out, but it'll be nothing different we've seen before. If they plan to have something monumental, I hope to see things never introduced or thought up till now.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinions. Simply put, I don't have faith in ANet... something just doesn't seem right.
It is better to be original than better than everyone else. Lately, all I've seen lately are the same situations with the same build up and climax.
You want an idea?
Try having a villain who isn't trying to destroy the world. Let's say he's planning to kill everyone except himself so he can be at peace and live in the world he's always dreamed of.
Unless that already has been done twenty times over in games, think about trying to be original.
Nonetheless, I have two ways to look at this:
1- GW2 will not come out, ANet had lied about it and eventually will decide that Guild Wars had fun, but it is time to move on to new things.
2- GW2 will come out, but it'll be nothing different we've seen before. If they plan to have something monumental, I hope to see things never introduced or thought up till now.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinions. Simply put, I don't have faith in ANet... something just doesn't seem right.
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I won't be getting GW2 so idc too much. I'll play GW1 till it's fully dead or so and move on. I like to "click to move" and I don't like the "instanced" play style all the other MMO's have that GW2 is going to.
JaiGaia
whatever thier reason im sure its a very reasonable one as well as one thats been made for financial reasons as well as not over hyping or letting ppl know too much about the upcoming game and features. TBH this is good whether u want to agree or not is on you but its good bc its not allowing US to build thier game, nor rant and flame and make a game die even before its been polished or even released, and keeps true to the developers design. They are all well aware of every major complaint and suggestion for the game and im sure will rectify the complaints come GW2 as well but for the media to know to much of a good thing now a days seems to only turn against companies.
As for the D3 and GW2 talk of which comes out first and what will happen, it will probably go the same way most games do now a day, D3 will come first and ppl will flock to that , which in Anets mind wont be exactly bad as it adverts ur attention away from them , then by the time GW2 comes knock ppl socks off while fans come back and others grow tired of the games their playing and flock to GW2.
Last ill leave this thought another reason i think their is some quietness from them is definitely some probs in development , prolly small and well workd around but its what they are trying to offer + combating costs while trying to stay true to their original statements of no subs. Read any article when they talk of this and u can tell that there is something brewing that would probably make some of GW's appeal lose faith from its customers in the true regards to whats GOING to happen. As he simply states their not exactly sure how to pull this new one off w. the same motto. So keep us at arms length til they have enough content just incase this changes. For some reason though im seeing an ITEM MALL in GW2 of some sort .... idk y i just do something tells me this w/ some of NCsofts moves over past yr or so.
As for the D3 and GW2 talk of which comes out first and what will happen, it will probably go the same way most games do now a day, D3 will come first and ppl will flock to that , which in Anets mind wont be exactly bad as it adverts ur attention away from them , then by the time GW2 comes knock ppl socks off while fans come back and others grow tired of the games their playing and flock to GW2.
Last ill leave this thought another reason i think their is some quietness from them is definitely some probs in development , prolly small and well workd around but its what they are trying to offer + combating costs while trying to stay true to their original statements of no subs. Read any article when they talk of this and u can tell that there is something brewing that would probably make some of GW's appeal lose faith from its customers in the true regards to whats GOING to happen. As he simply states their not exactly sure how to pull this new one off w. the same motto. So keep us at arms length til they have enough content just incase this changes. For some reason though im seeing an ITEM MALL in GW2 of some sort .... idk y i just do something tells me this w/ some of NCsofts moves over past yr or so.
Snow Bunny
GW2 has to go up against KOTOR and D3. God save the Queen.
Age
There are a lot of other games other than MMO that are still being played and I hear the Lindsey is coming out with some more content next month or the other.
Accursed
Oh god.
By the time, Guild Wars 2 comes out, it would probably already be topped by KORTOR and D3.
By the time, Guild Wars 2 comes out, it would probably already be topped by KORTOR and D3.
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Oh god.
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KORTOR I have not touch that game, but they are planning to make a MMO of it. So where does that head?
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Originally Posted by Raiku
D3 is overhyped. And D2 was flawed as well. Thus, I believe D3 will carry that flaw as well.
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BlackSephir
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Originally Posted by Raiku
D3 is overhyped. And D2 was flawed as well. Thus, I believe D3 will carry that flaw as well.
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Kanyatta
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Originally Posted by Alleji
Considering Blizzard hasn't made anything short of "awesome" so far, D3 being a bad game is very unlikely.
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Oh, hai, The Death and Return of Superman here. Don't mind me, just passing through.
FoxBat
Blizzard didn't exist as a household name until Warcraft 2. Everything before then was mediocre by compare.
Masseur
I'll be playing both GW2 and D3 because one isn't anything like the other. I was a D2 fan and I'm sure I'll get D3 if they keep it like the other only better gameplay, etc.. But since it's nothing like an MMO or like Guild Wars, I'll still be playing GW2. But fearing the changes to instances in Guild Wars 2 might keep me and a lot from playing it for long.
Dr Strangelove
Warcraft II: Tides of Darkness 1995
Warcraft II: Beyond the Dark Portal 1996
Diablo 1996
StarCraft 1998
StarCraft: Brood War 1998
Warcraft II: Battle.net Edition 1999
Diablo II 2000
Diablo II: Lord of Destruction 2001
Warcraft III: Reign of Chaos 2002
Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne 2003
World of Warcraft 2004
World of Warcraft: The Burning Crusade 2007
World of Warcraft: Wrath of the Lich King Under Development
StarCraft II Under Development
Diablo III Under Development
From wiki
Since WC2, they haven't had a single flop.
Warcraft II: Beyond the Dark Portal 1996
Diablo 1996
StarCraft 1998
StarCraft: Brood War 1998
Warcraft II: Battle.net Edition 1999
Diablo II 2000
Diablo II: Lord of Destruction 2001
Warcraft III: Reign of Chaos 2002
Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne 2003
World of Warcraft 2004
World of Warcraft: The Burning Crusade 2007
World of Warcraft: Wrath of the Lich King Under Development
StarCraft II Under Development
Diablo III Under Development
From wiki
Since WC2, they haven't had a single flop.
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GW2 has to go up against KOTOR and D3. God save the Queen.
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slowerpoke
kotor mmo by bioware
pools closed
pools closed
Makkert
Your view is obviously biased by your own preference towards GW. Your post would have more credibility if you interviewed some fanboys from other games.
that said, I do hope ANet learns from their mistakes, and doesn't screw up GW2.
With the addition of races, I only hope they will only impact PvE and not PvP.
~ Makk.
that said, I do hope ANet learns from their mistakes, and doesn't screw up GW2.
With the addition of races, I only hope they will only impact PvE and not PvP.
~ Makk.
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why the RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO are you comparing Anet and Blizzard ?
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Well I dont think Warhammer Online will be same as Age of Conan , the game has been delayed few times and its for the better. It has some very good and never seen ideas which will make a lot of people play it , and i do think itll steel a huge mass of WoW pvp players. As for GW i think the total absence of info about GW2 ,the new games coming out and the absence of new and interesting GW updates ( something better than HoM going account based ) will make the game population going down. And yes WAR will start the WoW's end ( Joking 
) . If you have seen some of WAR podcast - about the pvp system , the guilds, the crafting skills youll definitely say " Wow ... " A game whit so much potential cant be f****d up 
P.S. We need something to keep us play the game , so ANet should start doing it !
P.S. We need something to keep us play the game , so ANet should start doing it !
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Your view is obviously biased by your own preference towards GW. Your post would have more credibility if you interviewed some fanboys from other games.
that said, I do hope ANet learns from their mistakes, and doesn't screw up GW2. With the addition of races, I only hope they will only impact PvE and not PvP. ~ Makk. |
They will I assume do something about the bonus mods on weapons vs races, I have several +vs Charr and +vs Plants.
Would assume either they allow them in and create + vs Humans Norn Asura or block them from pvp.
Would be interested to hear from the pvp players if the bonuses would make any impact at all to pvp.
Burst Cancel
Great post +++. Would lol again.
Given that the handling of GW strongly indicates that Anet has no ****ing clue what they're doing, I'm not really sure where this confidence in GW2 is coming from.
But hey, I can play the baseless prediction game too! I say D3 wipes the floor with GW2.
Given that the handling of GW strongly indicates that Anet has no ****ing clue what they're doing, I'm not really sure where this confidence in GW2 is coming from.
But hey, I can play the baseless prediction game too! I say D3 wipes the floor with GW2.
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There is going to be a new KOTOR?
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Originally Posted by FoxBat
Blizzard didn't exist as a household name until Warcraft 2. Everything before then was mediocre by compare.
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Cjad the Nord
Most people have already made up their mind if they're going to get Guild Wars 2 or not, which says more about the pull of the original game than it does the mythical sequel no one has seen or heard. I myself am giving Anet the benefit of the doubt, because even though GW is steadily stalling, the fact that we don't have any info on GW2 is no reason to assume that what is there is bad.
They started over for a reason. This is a chance to weed out the bad design choices they've made over the course of GW's run, and the truth is that no one knows what kind of game GW2 is going to be. But I'm willing to wager that your love/hate of it will be primarily affected by your love/hate of GW.
They started over for a reason. This is a chance to weed out the bad design choices they've made over the course of GW's run, and the truth is that no one knows what kind of game GW2 is going to be. But I'm willing to wager that your love/hate of it will be primarily affected by your love/hate of GW.
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re pvp in gw2
They will I assume do something about the bonus mods on weapons vs races, I have several +vs Charr and +vs Plants. Would assume either they allow them in and create + vs Humans Norn Asura or block them from pvp. Would be interested to hear from the pvp players if the bonuses would make any impact at all to pvp. |
That said, unless GW2 has third-party support for tournaments (even WoW has managed this), it won't be as much of PvP success.
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Most people have already made up their mind if they're going to get Guild Wars 2 or not, which says more about the pull of the original game than it does the mythical sequel no one has seen or heard. I myself am giving Anet the benefit of the doubt, because even though GW is steadily stalling, the fact that we don't have any info on GW2 is no reason to assume that what is there is bad.
They started over for a reason. This is a chance to weed out the bad design choices they've made over the course of GW's run, and the truth is that no one knows what kind of game GW2 is going to be. But I'm willing to wager that your love/hate of it will be primarily affected by your love/hate of GW. |
That said, I'm still keeping track of what the devs are doing with this game, as it makes for an interesting game design case study. At this point, I no longer care which way they take their game, but it's interesting to examine what they think they've learned, and how they put their acquired knowledge to use.
EPO Bot
Is there honestly anyone around here who bought GW for it's level cap of twenty instead of it having no fees? The only reason why i (and presumably most others) play guildwars is because WoW has fees. That's it. If WoW had no fees, no one would pick guildwars over it.That's completely out of the question. So yes, i DO love that Anet is making GW PVE a little more rewarding then that big, skippable PVP tutorial Prophecies was.
cr00mz
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The only reason why i (and presumably most others) play guildwars is because WoW has fees. That's it. If WoW had no fees, no one would pick guildwars over it.
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BlackSephir
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that said, I do hope ANet learns from their mistakes, and doesn't screw up GW2.
With the addition of races, I only hope they will only impact PvE and not PvP. ~ Makk. |
I'd hope so too, but then I realize that they even don't know what their mistakes were. Example- does AN consider Ursan a mistake?
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If WoW had no fees, no one would pick guildwars over it.
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Although this game is dying out to me, I did play WoW at one point, and seriously, I quit it on my sixth day of playing.
Sniper22
You guys do know that it takes more than a year to make a good video game right? I'm going to guess that it would take at least 2-3 years for them. Age of conan took 5 I believe and its not even finished. Just be patient and wait till GW2 comes out. Anet doesn't need people to continue to play the original GW because they don't have subscription fees. If everybody happens to quit today, they'll still make GW2. Once anet actually releases information, everyone will get all hyped up again. So honestly, can you idiots stop with the "ZOMG D3 OWWWWNS GW2!!!!!!111" because you haven't even seen GW2 yet, and no one can really compare until both games actually come out.
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... The only reason why i (and presumably most others) play guildwars is because WoW has fees. That's it. If WoW had no fees, no one would pick guildwars over it.That's completely out of the question. ...
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I, for one, would still choose Guild Wars over WoW even if both were ftp. GW has an actual storyline (WoW merely has a lore backdrop for quests). I prefer GW's instancing, Hero/hench mechanic, graphics, skill setup, level cap, armor acquisition, and world creation over WoW. And I *like* WoW; it's just that GW is better in most ways that I care about. The absence of fees is an added bonus.The only reason I go back to WoW occasionally is that there has been nothing new from Anet in a long time. GW is at a dead-end for me.
Where Anet most conspicuously fails, imo, is in PR. Here it has been ages since anything has been said about GW2, and I think their player base deserves better than that. Blizzard, at least, knows how to drum up interest, excitement, and anticipation. Anet knows ... only the "silent treatment."
Even so, Guild Wars has been, really, the most fun I've had for the longest time in any MMO I've ever played (WoW, TR, CoH, LOTRO, etc.). I have every confidence that GW2 is going to be my first choice in MMOs when (and if) it ever comes out.
draxynnic
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Is there honestly anyone around here who bought GW for it's level cap of twenty instead of it having no fees? The only reason why i (and presumably most others) play guildwars is because WoW has fees. That's it. If WoW had no fees, no one would pick guildwars over it.That's completely out of the question. So yes, i DO love that Anet is making GW PVE a little more rewarding then that big, skippable PVP tutorial Prophecies was.
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I liked being able to get to a level playing field without several months of grind (from the perspective of a non-hardcore player). I like being able to bring whatever character I feel like to play with a friend or guildie without having to worry about making sure our levels match. And, while you didn't specify it directly, as someone who enjoys experimentation I really like being able to overhaul my build for free.