Shields.... -5/20 > All.
NoXiFy
Whats up with -5/20 being the PERFECT SHIELD MOD. Anytime someones selling a shield, or buying one, they always want a -5/20 on it. The other day, while in GToB, I saw someone trading a torme shield STR, for a tacticts req one. He was there for several hours so I finally traded him, and when i put mine in trade (mine was +30, armor+10vs. lightning) he responded LOL F*KING NOOOB, NO -5/20 NO DEAL. And I'm like... dude, if this is for PvP, or EVEN PvE, you go with armor+10vs. X, not -5/20. He than says "LOLWUT IM R9 GLAD, R10 HERO, R6 COMMANDER, UR NOTHING!!!! NOOOB STF^" I'm like... wow, guess I never thought -5/20 was that leet. WEll, discuss, why does evyone think that -5/20 is so great?
deluxe
wammos prefer -5/20, most warriors are wammos.
Stolen Souls
Same reason Sundering is the "Perfect" weapon mod...it looks the best, nothing more.
Marverick
Because the number 20 looks better than the number 10?
Tyla
People are bad.
The Red Messenger
i have no problem with people liking the -5/20, even though it sucks.
why?
because i have no personal use for it, but i can sell it for about 10k pretty easily. why complain? take advantage of the situation...
why?
because i have no personal use for it, but i can sell it for about 10k pretty easily. why complain? take advantage of the situation...
matthijs123
I have no clue about why -5/20% is so overrated either, Although I've got it on alot of my shields, I rather use -2/stance(Warrior). And ... + I would never use a +10 vs lightning 
It's all my opinion... please convince me to take -5/20% if I am totally wrong (Also, do not blame me on my English, grammar may suck :P
It's all my opinion... please convince me to take -5/20% if I am totally wrong (Also, do not blame me on my English, grammar may suck :P
moko
people are lazy (bad) and it's the coolest looking !!!1
Kanyatta
Because I don't have enough weapon sets for an "armor +10 vs. each element" to make it feasible to keep swapping, so I kind of just keep the all-purpose one up. It still works nice, but it's not THE BEST ALL THE TIME. It's kind of just the mid-range one that isn't bad, but isn't good.
kvndoom
5 > 2
And that's all people see.
And that's all people see.
Rohan
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People are bad.
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upier
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I would never use a +10 vs lightning
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makosi
A warrior's basic armour level is 80+20vs physical = 100 armour vs. physical. Why then does -5 damage from 1 in 5 random physical hits sound good to people? -Blind, -Crippled or +10 vs. an element will make a bigger difference.
Then again, the wammo culture like 20/20 mods on swords.
Then again, the wammo culture like 20/20 mods on swords.
Molock
People are stupid and don't understand that +10ar >> -5 PHYSICAL dmg 1 in 5 hits. It should be pretty obvious which is better.. but.. apparently it isn't for the majority of players.
mr_stealth
Same reason that everyone likes 20/20 sundering. Bigger numbers=better. Its not something horrible if you want something thats just generally usable, but not ideal for any situation. Having a shield vs each element would be rather useless vs a mob that is only doing physical damage, and using vs species shields would require a massive collection of shields. The -5/20% is just seen as the "always works" mod, although -2 stanced(depending on build) or enchanted (if you have a prot monk around) would be better for that situation.
Tyla
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Same reason that everyone likes 20/20 sundering. Bigger numbers=better. Its not something horrible if you want something thats just generally usable, but not ideal for any situation.
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Sarevok Thordin
People hate changing their shields for the same reason people are shitting breaks over the Ursan nerf.
THEY ARE LAZY AND HATE ADAPTING
THEY ARE LAZY AND HATE ADAPTING
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+10vsCold is clearly the best, the only thing that scares me is a certain Panda with a very scary Icy Charr Axe.
Alexandra-Sweet
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You know there are shield mods +10AL versus physical damage too, right?
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Closest thing would be "Survival of the Fittest" +1...5 Armor vs Physical Damage but is for off-hands only.
And in PvE someone can't be arsed having 7 slots of different shields so -5/20 is the easiest.
In PvP you don't need your inventory empty so it's best to take a shield for every elemental/physical damage.
A11Eur0
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You know there are shield mods +10AL versus physical damage too, right? |
Alexandra: read what I just typed. Also, I run 6 different shields in PvE. I also run 6 different melee weapons. That leaves me with the backpack, belt pouch and one bag free. I also may have a GWEN rep book, some CCs and other consumables that I feel like taking along, and a bow for pulling. I never run out of space because I SALVAGE for materials. You'd be amazed at how many weapons salvage into granite.
Dr Strangelove
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No there aren't.
Closest thing would be "Survival of the Fittest" +1...5 Armor vs Physical Damage but is for off-hands only. And in PvE someone can't be arsed having 7 slots of different shields so -5/20 is the easiest. In PvP you don't need your inventory empty so it's best to take a shield for every elemental/physical damage. |
On the rare chance that I'm playing warrior in PvE, I use -2 stance or -20% blind. Warriors should always be in a stance, and blind is not your friend.
mr_stealth
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If you want DPS, Vamp is better. Sundering for spikes, but that's PvP.
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And as others have already pointed out, there isn't a +10vs all physical damage inscription for shields.
slowerpoke
so u guys carry about 7 different +10 armor shields rdy for just the moment you get hit with the specific type of dmg? ;3
kvndoom
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so u guys carry about 7 different +10 armor shields rdy for just the moment you get hit with the specific type of dmg? ;3
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Murmel
I use only 1 shield hehe... But I don't PvP with my warrior ^^
No Flaming.
No Flaming.
Chris37320
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so u guys carry about 7 different +10 armor shields rdy for just the moment you get hit with the specific type of dmg? ;3
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Sniper22
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so u guys carry about 7 different +10 armor shields rdy for just the moment you get hit with the specific type of dmg? ;3
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mr_stealth
It basically comes down to having the best for any situation vs having inventory/storage space. Not much of issue at all for PvP, but a major one in PvE. A shield vs each element + each type of physical, + a full set of vamp/sunder/furious/zealous/x elemental weapons is quite a bit of storage space. Double the shield collection if you also happen to play a paragon. Then you still have the 8 other professions to deal with.
Having the best for every situation isn't practical for a lot of people. Some compromises have to be made. For me, the obvious first one would be ditching vs slashing/piercing/blunt in favor of -2 stanced/enchanted.
Having the best for every situation isn't practical for a lot of people. Some compromises have to be made. For me, the obvious first one would be ditching vs slashing/piercing/blunt in favor of -2 stanced/enchanted.
Aera
Even if you're too lazy and stupid to switch shields, you're better off with a +10 vs Slashing, because almost everything deals slashing :/
Sigma Onkoron
People think that the 20% happens alot. When really in the long run it sucks. The +10 shields are always better. to me -5 20% isn't perfect. And 5 damage reduction isn't that much. Your better off with the +10 shield.
farmerfez
In pve it really doesnt matter because mobs dont spike at the same time or are organized so your healer can usually heal thru any damage they dish out.
zelgadissan
People see -5 damage and automatically think it's great. The problem is that it's roughly equivalent to -1 100%, which is uberbad when compared to, say, +10 vs. Fire.
You're not going to hear me complain about it being overused though, because nothing makes me happier than selling a Luck of the Draw inscription for 10k+
To Phoenix below: general PvE mod is +10 vs. Fire. There's uses for all of them, such as Cold in EotN, Slashing/Piercing/Blunt if it's melee heavy, but Fire is the main one.
You're not going to hear me complain about it being overused though, because nothing makes me happier than selling a Luck of the Draw inscription for 10k+
To Phoenix below: general PvE mod is +10 vs. Fire. There's uses for all of them, such as Cold in EotN, Slashing/Piercing/Blunt if it's melee heavy, but Fire is the main one.
I Phoenix I
Just a quick question:
When you guys get +10 vs X shields for your PvE Casters, what attribute req do you guys get? Or does it not really matter?
When you guys get +10 vs X shields for your PvE Casters, what attribute req do you guys get? Or does it not really matter?
Shakti
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Just a quick question:
When you guys get +10 vs X shields for your PvE Casters, what attribute req do you guys get? Or does it not really matter? |
I Phoenix I
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Doesn't matter. You get 8 base AR, then the +10 vs X and +30 or whatever. I only run a caster shield in very specific circumstances myself (farming etc mainly)
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Also, Strength shields instead of Tactics for Warriors, correct?
Alexandra-Sweet
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Just a quick question:
When you guys get +10 vs X shields for your PvE Casters, what attribute req do you guys get? Or does it not really matter? |
AKB48
no mods are perfect.
Dr Strangelove
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Just a quick question:
When you guys get +10 vs X shields for your PvE Casters, what attribute req do you guys get? Or does it not really matter? |
zwei2stein
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Ya that's the point. Its much cheaper to buy 1 shield with a mod than 7 different ones, even if the +10 armor is better. Last time I checked, not many people want to buy 7 tormented shields. This belongs in the suggestion forum but anet needs an easier way to swap mods in and out of an item without the use of a perfect salvage kit.
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You can always swap to your favourite skin for screenies or "ctrl+click" showing off.
In related news, +7 al vs elemental / physical and +5 al vs everything would go long way into making -5/20% less attactive for lazy people (or heroes)
N1ghtstalker
i dunno why ppl prefer it
yea k sometimes i got a green shield with that mod but i still have a set of +10 against*insert damage type here*
yea k sometimes i got a green shield with that mod but i still have a set of +10 against*insert damage type here*