A.net, in the next update pls don't touch the HFFF run

What was the point of titles in the first place again?

Dwight has been leeching at Aspy for more then a year.
If HFFF gets trashed - just move there.

Even just one quest title for all quests in the game would be fair. I also wanted to see a historian title for completing BMP with all discoveries.

The buyable titles at 1st glance seem to be an abomination, but looking a little deeper you will realize that for a farmer it is a way for them to get recognition for what they spend time doing. Every title can't be centered around being an adventurer or a pvp'r there are other play styles to this game. If you want to be GWAMM then you just have to suck that up. But why didn't you do the chest runs that seems to be faster than HFFF or not?

Anet have left HFFF alone for 1.5 years. I'll go out on a limb and say that they are not in a hurry to nerf it.

After thinking for several seconds there never was one.

The HFFF was possible LONG before SF was buffed. You don't need the hero stairway runner to be able to maintain SF forever.
Even if SF is nerfed, it will still work.

The only reason Anet will nerf the HFFF is because it uses a exploit in the game mechanics. Mobs don't spawn if they are very much outside ur minimap. This is y u do not need to mantain shadowform forever or worry about ur heroes getting body blocked by mobs. This is another reason why the fast vanquishing of the byway and the temple is possible is by exploiting this glitch.
Another reason is that it easy to bot, alot of the top Faction farming guild readally give out an auto hotkey script that flag heros and activate there skills. This is few steps away from zoning, repeating 20 times, and dumping at faction either at a guildhall or FA/JQ (i know for a fact this is already goin on).

The original FFF, which used 4 assasins, did not use this exploit because actual people ran the points, so the mobs did spawn. And i'm sure it could have been boted, but not with simple auto hotkey scripts that are being used today.

Here's a crazy idea: make all PvE skills (including SY) not rely on rank. People who still want some lame title to indicate "leetness" can still do that, while the game play itself would not be affected. In other words, remove the effect mindless grinding has on the gameplay.

To keep people playing. Addicted people spend cash, and cash is profit. Profit makes the world go around.

Holy crap! Actually linking a title to something other than hours of repetitive grind and mind numbing sessions of clicking the same thing over and over? You've just blown my mind. Unfortunately, I don't think Anet would try something that risky.

In all seriousness, this thread sums up what is horribly horribly wrong with the Guild Wars of today. People fear what nerf might hit next, and it is no secret that the ever changing status quo has left some jaded. But beyond that, Anet has actually convinced some poor fools that spending hours of their setting flags out for their heroes is something desirable. Doing something once is an accomplishment. Doing it 200 more times just proves you have way too much time on your hands.

Or you could decide that wasting your life away for a title in a video game isn't worth it and not care if they change it.

Yes please. As much as I hate them, you could at least make them do their intended function.

(Then again, maybe this *is* their intended function...)

In regards to the Hall of Monuments:

You don't need to be higher than Rank 4 to add it to the HoM. Last I checked, most guilds don't play the "we'll only let you in if you're Rank #" game, so unless you want those Kurzick/Luxon PvE-only skills at max capabilities, or want to imply them to the Kind of Big Deal Title Track, there isn't any other major reason to get them at max.

or increase the rewards from the shrines when your out killing stuff, kinda along the line of the bounties and hunt bonuses you get in EoTN. granted HFFF is rather mind numbing and gets boring but for me i would rather get faction gain while out killing stuff. if i could get 10k of faction in 35-45min like HFFF i would be doing that to get my faction instead of HFFF(dont say AB or F/A, i hate doing either of those).

You hate AB/FA more than performing the same boring actions over and over? Interesting. Anyway, the point you're missing is "why do I need 10k faction every 35-45 minutes".

umm yeah. i quit doing either of those a long time ago. the waiting between matches was the biggest reason, then came the leachers and then i found out how to run HFFF and found i could gain faction faster then both those but have grown tired of that too. as for why do i need that much that fast over and over. really i dont, ive hit rank 6 so ive gotten the monuments, im not in a faction farming alliance so again i dont need it but i want rank 8 because for me i feel rank 8 is about the breaking point of making most of the skills useable if i decided to use them in builds. i have one character of each profession and actually play all of them. i would rather gain the faction while out killing mobs but if i did it that way i would probably still be back at rank 3 at the current rate of faction gain while out killing stuff.

no thanks they can neff hfff for the kurzick side all they want or at least make the luxon side just as easy or as hard.

Nah I don't NEED the titles myself, really. I'm not a paragon or a warrior primary so I don't run with SY often, I'm not in a faction farming alliance. I'm doing it for some kinda personal challenge, like seeing how fast I can get to X amount of cash, doing something casually, how fast I can afford a weapon I like, etc etc.

I'm not getting GWAMM for anyone, lawl. I'm getting it for myself. At the end it's only a game, but just like in any game I feel the need to be challenged at some point. Getting GWAMM, for me, is some kinda challenge I wanna do. Thus I'm happy with titles.

The thing is that the rewards for HFFF aren't on par with other ways to get it. Either nerf HFFF or boost AB/FA/JQ... and IMO, it should be the boost. JQ is empty - would get a regain of players. FA runs, but could be better. AB has a long wait between matches and is generally filled with idiots (the builds and attitudes I saw in AB were beyond ridiculous).

My 2 gold for now, I know I went OT a little but yeah. My reasoning behind the titles.

you mean fix it?
ya... it might be news to you, but they are not in a hurry to fix anything. It doesn't prove that things aint broken, only that they dont have resources to deal with them.

I think I'll be jumping on the "make the other methods of gaining the title more viable" bandwagon... I'd much rather grab a bounty and go hunting a few bosses than use an exploit to farm the same repeatable quest over and over again.

If I was going to be nerfing HFFF, what I'd probably do is:

1) Set a minimum time from completing a repeatable quest and retaking the same one

and/or

2) Require that the spawns be killed instead of simply setting off the location marker.

Of course, in my ideal world skills wouldn't be linked to titles and titles would purely be a vanity item...

Agreeing with the 'other methods need a boost'.

VANITY ITEM!

HFFF is fine as it is, title bestows no overwhelming bonus and kurz/lux titles are not heavily used/exploited. Everyone has that one HFFF crazy friend in a town owning alliance, they can buy the lockpicks for you if you ask nicely.

Moderation is the only thing that will fix the botting, something similar to those horrible typing things necessary (Please type J1nnFlf to enter) for hotmail and other websites.

FFF without the H is a viable option for those who find flagging boring, and the luxon farm does not take overwhelmingly longer.

HFFF is hardly the target of any SF changes that will take effect.

It should be nerfed, so that it wouldn't be so easy to do by a bot... ( the persons that actually stood in lutgardis know what I'm talking about, search google and you'll find several bots for HFFF... ) So change the quest a bit so that it's impossible for bots, but still perfectly doable by humans...
I'm suspecting this is the way goldfarmers now farm their cash, as it's so hard to see who's a bot and who's not.

So you decide to make a QQ thread with suggestions to screw over everyone who already has the title and make life easier for you? Nice, bet Anet will get on it right away.

Its doubtful Anet went through the circus of buffing SF only to nerf it to a state where its worse than it was in the first place.

Well HFFF is obviously an exploit that Anet simply havent found important enough. And to be honest, even for an exploit it's not even a quick fix because you still have to do it a crap load of times.
My concern is mostly that AB tends to be crap to do. Exploits aside it's the best way to get faction but with the amount of idiots out there, most days it's hard to enjoy AB because of the blatant stupidity of your own teams.
It's still strange to me that the normal way to get kurzick or luxon factions is basically AB because, well let's be honest, you find luxons and kurzicks on both sides. Anet failed in setting down proper factions and so it's hard to care about joining either on. Funny enough you can be in a luxon guild a build a kurzick title and get kurzick armours and vice versa, but you cannot join AB for both sides from your guild hall. That to me, is the silliest thing of all. They should have either kept kurzicks and luxons separated, so that people actually had to choose, or they should've just left it and let people have neutral guilds that can do both.
Also, it seems to me that in PvE the rewards for hunting faction are nowhere near the rewards for AB. Again strange, because why should PvE players not be able to get faction as fast as AB'ers, why whould they have to take so much longer (exploits aside again). An exploit doesn't make up for that cause I won't enjoy playing the game if I have to do the same 2 minute run hundreds or rather thousands of times.
I noticed this strange sort of thinking in the Lightbringer title also. You can do a single run over and over to get it fast. And so you get 600-800 points in about 20 mins, but when you do an actual quest for the whispers you get like 10 lightbringer points. That is absolutely out of proportion.
And with farming faction it is the same. Variety is the spice of life as they say and it seems that Aner doesn't want you to have variety, well you can do it in various ways of course but you get punished with much lower returns.
Look at the norn point run...same thing. But then there is no such run for asuran or vanguard points...Again all out of proportion. I just wish that Anet allowed for people to farm points in more ways than one without having to take a big cut in rewards. Farming the same thing over and over gets boring.
I never did HFFF and when I look at how it's done I really don't want to do it like that.
But why playing AB gives you at least double of the faction on average than clearing PvE area's in the same amount of time, that I just don't get. It's like Anet says, ok you get these 10 options to achieve this, but only one is actually worth doing, so that way you all end up doing the same thing.

plz dun nurf hfff beecuz i aint gut nuthin left if u due its not lik u cant get it wif ab or anyting

Silence!
HFFF is a glitch due to a miscalculated combination of unrelated features.
It must cease to exist!

- Dewd! Flagplacing makes your mighty hero even mightier! +100 armor for more seconds! There's no reason why the hordes of evil should even touch the valiant fighters of the Light! More flagplacing and autopiloting possibilities, please ANET! And PvE skills too! I want to feel I'm the undisputed master of Guild Wars! Buffing Shadow Form will be a good decision. It kind of fits the lore that Assassins are untouchable killers in shadows who assassinate everything in seconds with impunity.

Obviously ANet just needs to sell titles in the store and be done with it.

Bnet needs to sell enigma in the store too

- Yes but I don't have credit card! On the other hand I have lots of spare time for farming FF points due to unemployment.

/signed

what a wonderful idea :P lolol

hey divine since ur str flagger u cud try fff 2 get even moar factions dan ab

So very /signed.

They do already. Skill Hunter = unlock pack + tomes.

I would like to see how you calculated that.

I belive....HFFF was put there on purpose. Not everyone likes AB battles, and I belive the developers thought about that fact when puting everything in place. and they thought (rightly so too) that those that dont like to AB should have an easy way to get the faction just like those that Do like to AB, not be punished for their personal playing style. So you see people that have a maxed title still running it..big deal, are they hurting you in any way? NO they are not. So they make 150g a run...big woopie. Yea there may be bots out there running it, I for one couldnt care less.

Grinding isn't a playstyle.

Same. I wonder if it includes the waiting 25-30 "timeouts" between matches.

This should have been nerfed ages ago. If they nerf it now it's a joke. So don't be afraid that the macro-afk-HFFF gets nerfed.