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hurdlebeast

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2007

W/Mo-Smashing Beast; Mo-Monk Beast

E/Me

04 Aug 2008 at 15:54 - 81

To OP: I would have agreed with you on SF if they hadn't nerfed it already. But, they did, and it is now (in my opinion) right where it needs to be power wise. So leave SF alone, because they stopped it from being overly-powerful in the permasin (it's still usable, but now more on the same level as some other builds, ie terra tank for example).

Making AB the only way to gain faction would be semi-viable, BUT there are two things you are forgetting: 1) AB is a joke as far a PvP goes (which is why i love it

) and making it the exclusive way to get post r12 faction would turn it into a pvp elitists' club and 2) as of now, you have to wait 5 mins+ to get into a single game of AB. Sometimes it's more, sometimes it's less. you can get @2,000 faction HFFF in that time that you spend just waiting, plus more for the actual match.

Gun Pierson

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2006

Belgium

PIMP

Mo/

04 Aug 2008 at 15:58 - 82

Gimme ma max Kurzick skillz by completing quests like in prophecies.

Remove all titles, emotes and HoM from the game.

Problem solved.

Damian979

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2008

04 Aug 2008 at 16:03 - 83

Titles are useless wastes of time and are nothing but anet's attempt to keep the masses busy with mindless repetition instead of developing actual challenging content.

Glad I could solve your problem.

FireFox

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2005

Texas

We Wear Sombreros [文文文], Ugly Ducklings [ugly]

04 Aug 2008 at 18:46 - 84

Ooooooh, you touch my HFFF...

jimme

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2007

Netherlands

Mo/

04 Aug 2008 at 18:51 - 85

I can't really seem to find your problem on the 'after R12 farmers' , Do they hurt you?

Airstu

Academy Page

Join Date: Jun 2007

BC, eh

Liars Cheats and thieves [liar]

04 Aug 2008 at 20:53 - 86

get rid of HFFF and FFF, eliminate all points gained this way and make AB the only way to do this. - this works for me and the epic QQs would be fun as well.

Hyper Cutter

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2006

Knights of the White Eye [HINA]

04 Aug 2008 at 20:57 - 87

Quote:

Originally Posted by crazybanshee

It's been like that for what, 2 years now?

So was Soul Reaping... just saying...

{IceFire}

Forge Runner

Join Date: Oct 2005

W/

04 Aug 2008 at 21:18 - 88

Quote:

Originally Posted by Abnaxus

hundreds of hours

GG

filler----------------

Turbobusa

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2006

By the Luxon Scavenger

The Mentalists [THPK]

N/

04 Aug 2008 at 21:51 - 89

Being rewarded for exploiting the game (aka mobs not appearing) and being payed at the same time. Yeah totally fine.
Even the jade arena should be nerfed to be lass rewarding than AB. Nuking criminals to death doesn't make you a war hero.

Hailey Anne

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2007

A/E

05 Aug 2008 at 00:48 - 90

Quote:

Originally Posted by Unreal Havoc

Personally I think all methods of faction farming should be abolished and everyone should AB to earn faction.

*Equips armour & shield with elemental resistance to fire*

Not everyone likes AB. This atleast gives people who dont like running in circles standing on a shrine a different option for being bored.
atleast while being bored with hfff you dont have to listen to idiots.

Shanny

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2007

Boston

Sound Of A Distant Star [Star]

D/A

05 Aug 2008 at 00:56 - 91

How long has Factions and this quest been around and it hasn't been touched? I wouldn't have worried about it but now Regina is probably running around to all her friends about this.

Skyy High

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: May 2006

R/

05 Aug 2008 at 02:31 - 92

Quote:

Originally Posted by Damian979

Titles are useless wastes of time and are nothing but anet's attempt to keep the masses busy with mindless repetition instead of developing actual challenging content.

Glad I could solve your problem.

Er...duh, we know. But given that we're not getting anything more challenging, what else are you going to do?

draxynnic

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Nov 2005

[CRFH]

05 Aug 2008 at 03:43 - 93

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shanny

How long has Factions and this quest been around and it hasn't been touched? I wouldn't have worried about it but now Regina is probably running around to all her friends about this.

To put it bluntly: With the changes that have been made and foreshadowed in the last few months, it's starting to look like ANet might actually give an engine gored again.

Shadowmoon

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2006

N/A

N/

05 Aug 2008 at 03:51 - 94

Quote:

Originally Posted by Turbobusa

Being rewarded for exploiting the game (aka mobs not appearing) and being payed at the same time. Yeah totally fine.
Even the jade arena should be nerfed to be lass rewarding than AB. Nuking criminals to death doesn't make you a war hero.

While we're at it, remove LDoA from game, death leveling was a exploit as well. also remove the lvl 20 dire pets that were evolved because of death leveling as well.

FrAnt1c??

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2007

Belgium

Legion Of Sacred Light [LSL]

Mo/

05 Aug 2008 at 07:19 - 95

Move the NPC inside lutgardis, in this way players have to take the quest before entering the explorable area, making it much harder as the luxon foes will have spawned already

Turbobusa

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2006

By the Luxon Scavenger

The Mentalists [THPK]

N/

05 Aug 2008 at 09:24 - 96

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shadowmoon

While we're at it, remove LDoA from game, death leveling was a exploit as well. also remove the lvl 20 dire pets that were evolved because of death leveling as well.

Death lvl-ing isn't really an exploit since mobs react the same as players, gaining XP and being ruled by the same armor level and professions attributes. It kinda makes sense to me.
But exploiting the fact that mobs do not appear to safely do a quest is just...well an exploit since you're supposed to fight your way. LDoA was introduced with no way to attain it and it was players that discovered that death lvling would work.
If there was another way to gain LDoA I would agree but currently, there is none.

Ho and just to point that I don't death level just so kids won't quote me saying "you're saying that because you do death level"

Zapper901

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2007

Fire and [ICE]

W/

05 Aug 2008 at 09:48 - 97

Over the past 2 weeks I have been HFFFing many hours every day, gaining about 3 million faction to my title, so 1.5 million donated. For about a week and a half it was not boring, but now it is beginning to become rather dull. I would love it if AB and FA (FA especially, because I like it much more than AB) got buffed in terms of faction gain.

Also, I was never aware of the fact that HFFF used an exploit. I was curious as to why there were no mobs attacking my heros but figured they were just patrolling somewhere else.

I only started doing it because I ran out of other ideas for things to do, I'm not really going for GWAMM, my most titles is 8 on my Monk. I'll probably make it to r9 tommorow (only need to donate 90k faction) and after that I'll probably stop and start playing my Monk, Warrior, Paragon, or Ranger more.

I really don't know why I wrote this, guess I'm just bored, but anyway, I don't really care if they nerf HFFF now, but I would love a buff to FA and AB. It doesn't really make any sense to nerf it now, seeing as it's been around for a long time, but if they do, I won't really care.

Sjeng

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2005

in my GH

Limburgse Jagers [LJ]

W/

05 Aug 2008 at 09:50 - 98

Quote:

Originally Posted by Abedeus

And you NEED that r6 because...?

because it's there. People want it because they can. Don't ask for a reason, and then say Anet can nerf it because it's not important to you. It is to others, even if it is just a title. Don't take away other peoples goals just cause you don't share them.

[QUOTE]If you want to nerf the h24 faction farmers, the solution is very simple:
After reaching r12 kurzick, you can no more gain faction from PvE, you can obtain faction only form PvP (AB).[/QOUTE]

Brilliant! /signed. but only if having R12 on your account means that you no longer need to get 10k faction for reaching Gyala/Grove with other characters (you are their savior after all).

Abnaxus

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Nov 2005

Europe

Keepers of Chaos

05 Aug 2008 at 17:05 - 99

Quote:

Originally Posted by Airstu

get rid of HFFF and FFF, eliminate all points gained this way and make AB the only way to do this. - this works for me and the epic QQs would be fun as well.

Thanks, you gave me the real solution to the problem.

R12 Kurzick/Luxon are purely PvE titles.
Actually, the rewards are PvE-only skills, amber/jadeite, scrolls and gold, all things strictly PvE related, not usable in PvP.
It's exactly the same as LB, SS and EoTN titles.
AB already gives Balthazar points, which are the real PvP rewards.

Therefore, the solution is:

1. remove all points gained via AB, and don't give any more Luxon/Kurzick faction for AB (AB already gives Balthazar, which are PvP);

2. make Luxon/Kurzick faction obtainable ONLY via PvE, exactly like LB/SS and all EOTN titles;

3. remove the repeatable quests;

4. make the titles character related and not account wide;

5. reduce the amount of faction required to max them to a value comparable to EOTN titles.

Thanks to all those who posted asking for nerfs because they gave me the solution!

This would cause really the most epic QQ of all times! Ahahahahahahah

SpiritThief

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2008

R/Me

05 Aug 2008 at 17:37 - 100

I don't see why they would nerf it now. 2 years everyone had a shot at doing it. They never did anything, taking it away now would cause chaos and its not needed. Besides the title affects NOTHING, nothing at all so why does it even matter?

Changing it now would be pointless, and pure waste of time. It affects nothing, hurts no one.

There are hundreds other things they should change before, they go into FFF.

I support giving out more kruz/lux faction in ab. Half the reason why people FFF is b/c its painfully slow to do it in ab. Hell I bet if someone did their title thru ab only from the very start they still wouldn't be close to max. Unless thats all they did, everyday, all day. Then maybe...

Skye Marin

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2006

The Seraphim Knights [TSK]

E/A

05 Aug 2008 at 18:03 - 101

Maybe they should fix the whole title?

Shadowspawn X

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2005

Fellowship of Champions

R/E

05 Aug 2008 at 18:18 - 102

Quote:

Originally Posted by Turbobusa

Being rewarded for exploiting the game (aka mobs not appearing) and being payed at the same time. Yeah totally fine.
Even the jade arena should be nerfed to be lass rewarding than AB. Nuking criminals to death doesn't make you a war hero.

Jade arena is much more time consuming than HFFF and its bugged where the criminals don't even turn hostile 30% of the time. HFFF is the cheesey exploit not Jade area and Anet hates Luxons anyway they screwed up the Luxon supply run out of spite and meanness then left Jade areana bugged for over two years. Meanwhile Kurzicks skip and dance to the title with broken ass HFFF. Anet has always hated us Luxons from the days of the Black Blades hence the gross imbalance.

Mourne

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2006

North Carolina, US

The Arctic Marauders [TAM]

W/

05 Aug 2008 at 20:07 - 103

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shadowspawn X

Jade arena is much more time consuming than HFFF and its bugged where the criminals don't even turn hostile 30% of the time. HFFF is the cheesey exploit not Jade area and Anet hates Luxons anyway they screwed up the Luxon supply run out of spite and meanness then left Jade areana bugged for over two years. Meanwhile Kurzicks skip and dance to the title with broken ass HFFF. Anet has always hated us Luxons from the days of the Black Blades hence the gross imbalance.

I'm just gonna throw this out there: Cry More Plz

If it has been like that for 2 years, why are you still complaining about it? I'm not saying HFFF doesn't give Kurzicks an advantage, but honesty, what are you gaining by constantly complaining? Oh wait, nothing.

Shadowspawn X

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2005

Fellowship of Champions

R/E

05 Aug 2008 at 20:30 - 104

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mourne

If it has been like that for 2 years, why are you still complaining about it? I'm not saying HFFF doesn't give Kurzicks an advantage, but honesty, what are you gaining by constantly complaining? Oh wait, nothing.

That's the point its been imbalanced for over two years and some guy makes a thread begging to keep it that way? I'm not crying I'm just stating facts that are relevant to the thread unlike your mindless off topic flaming.

MithranArkanere

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Nov 2006

wikipedia.org/wiki/Vigo

Heraldos de la Llama Oscura [HLO]

E/

05 Aug 2008 at 20:33 - 105

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skye Marin

Maybe they should fix the whole title?

Yah, like separatin it into two: One for PvP (without max rank) and one for PvE (Fastly maxable) and done!

Lorinda

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Oct 2006

The Netherlands

05 Aug 2008 at 20:51 - 106

Quote:

Originally Posted by MithranArkanere

Yah, like separatin it into two: One for PvP (without max rank) and one for PvE (Fastly maxable) and done!

For some odd reason,
I like your idea.

No QQ from PvE peeps that the title is too hard to get in only PvE.
And the PvP people can say, i did this with only AB, Aspenwood or Jade Quarry.

+ youll get another title for your r 6 max titly thingy.

Turbobusa

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2006

By the Luxon Scavenger

The Mentalists [THPK]

N/

05 Aug 2008 at 21:25 - 107

I know about the criminals not turning hostile bug and such.
It still has a faster faction rate than AB on all but lands/canyon

Dark Paladin X

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2007

A/

06 Aug 2008 at 16:11 - 108

I kinda find it unfair that the kurz have an great way to farm faction points and get survivor easy (although i do find irontoe's lair to be better) while luxon FFF is way slower.