The Anticipation is Killing ME!!!

Frank Dudenstein

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07 Aug 2008 at 15:52 - 81
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nightow
Right, exactly, PvE. I mean, is it just me or is it hilarious how binding rituals are usually the weakest type of skills a ritualist has (except for a few in channeling/restoration). I mean, does it take a rocket scientist to understand this?
I has to be like this.

PvE or PvP ... Guildwars is supposed to be a game where Player Skill matters (instead of gear or time spent or whatever). Since spirits are the least 'skill-ful' think a Rit can do, game balance dictates that it should be the weakest.

At the end of he day ... the Rit as a spirit-spammer was a really poor design and Anet realizes that now ... thus they have buffed the other 'intresting' things a Rit can do.

NOTE - Yes, I know Ursan and lots of other things require no skill yet are overpowered ... but they are (presumably) working on it .. and just because one mechanic is broken doesn't mean you should break the other ones.

Zinger314

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07 Aug 2008 at 15:53 - 82
So, I post "How come ArenaNet hasn't posted the Dev Update yet?," and I get criticized for having no patience.

Now, when someone else posts "TEH ANTICIPATION IZ KILLING ME!!!111!!!!," you get a multi-page thread of support.

Meh.

upier

upier

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Done.

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07 Aug 2008 at 15:55 - 83
Quote:
Originally Posted by Frank Dudenstein
I has to be like this.

PvE or PvP ... Guildwars is supposed to be a game where Player Skill matters (instead of gear or time spent or whatever). Since spirits are the least 'skill-ful' think a Rit can do, game balance dictates that it should be the weakest.

At the end of he day ... the Rit as a spirit-spammer was a really poor design and Anet realizes that now ... thus they have buffed the other 'intresting' things a Rit can do.

NOTE - Yes, I know Ursan and lots of other things require no skill yet are overpowered ... but they are (presumably) working on it .. and just because one mechanic is broken doesn't mean you should break the other ones.
Minions anyone?

Flightmare

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07 Aug 2008 at 15:57 - 84
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Originally Posted by upier
Hi!
My name is [Arcane Mimicry].

A few people exit Ursan - the people whose Ursan ended copy it - and off we go!
That's why it should be a form.

Gun Pierson

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07 Aug 2008 at 15:59 - 85
D-Day ha, couple hours away from the update if all goes well.

Go go 7 heroes! (one can only hope)

super strokey

super strokey

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07 Aug 2008 at 15:59 - 86
Quote:
Originally Posted by upier
Minions anyone?
They better not ruin my minions lol, they are the last thing keeping me in this game lol

JupiterStarWarrior

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07 Aug 2008 at 16:01 - 87
In regards to Blood Ritual and Blood is Power, you do get the enchantment, just not the effect (which is all right by me).






Anywho, in regards to the update, I'm not really "looking forward" to it as most are; I just can't wait what truly happens.

Oh, yeah! In regards to Hero AI improvements, I really, truly hope that, outside of those equipped with Blood of the Master (and other related skills), NONE OF THE HEROES HEAL THE MINIONS! I can't believe how quickly my Monks go through their energy when they're idle! It really upsets me (but that's another thread altogether, which I won't do at this moment).

Viva la updates!

<_<

*cough*

Puddin Cheeks

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07 Aug 2008 at 16:01 - 88
Quote:
Originally Posted by super strokey
They better not ruin my minions lol, they are the last thing keeping me in this game lol
They will probably give the minions Ursan Blessing and take it from the players!!!

super strokey

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07 Aug 2008 at 16:03 - 89
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gun Pierson
D-Day ha, couple hours away from the update if all goes well.

Go go 7 heroes! (one can only hope)
That would be sweet but honestly that would be the most unbalancing part of the game i think... i would love to have 3 necros, 3 SF eles and 2 monks lol, or maybe a couple paragons or something would be invincible lol

super strokey

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07 Aug 2008 at 16:06 - 90
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Originally Posted by Puddin Cheeks
They will probably give the minions Ursan Blessing and take it from the players!!!
Lol that would be funny, who needs unlimited minions when you got ursan ones lol

Nightow

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07 Aug 2008 at 16:07 - 91
Quote:
Originally Posted by Frank Dudenstein
I has to be like this.

PvE or PvP ... Guildwars is supposed to be a game where Player Skill matters (instead of gear or time spent or whatever). Since spirits are the least 'skill-ful' think a Rit can do, game balance dictates that it should be the weakest.

At the end of he day ... the Rit as a spirit-spammer was a really poor design and Anet realizes that now ... thus they have buffed the other 'intresting' things a Rit can do.

NOTE - Yes, I know Ursan and lots of other things require no skill yet are overpowered ... but they are (presumably) working on it .. and just because one mechanic is broken doesn't mean you should break the other ones.
I understand, it's just what's the point of naming a profession after a type of skill which is it's weakest aspect? WTB profession name change.

Also, ya' have to admit, only being able to use 2/4 attributes is pretty messed up.

Big_Daddy

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07 Aug 2008 at 16:08 - 92
This is a perfect moment to remember that famous phrase from The Untochables: "Don't wait for it to happen. Don't even want it to happen. Just see what does happen."

upier

upier

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Done.

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07 Aug 2008 at 16:10 - 93
Quote:
Originally Posted by Flightmare
That's why it should be a form.
Which means you'd need to morph into a bear when using it.
We need to be lore-consistent here, you know.

(Ohh and if that happens - I will totally start using Ursan!)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Zinger314
So, I post "How come ArenaNet hasn't posted the Dev Update yet?," and I get criticized for having no patience.

Now, when someone else posts "TEH ANTICIPATION IZ KILLING ME!!!111!!!!," you get a multi-page thread of support.

Meh.
*cookie*
It looks like you need it.

(It's probably because you posting it is too much "The boy who cried wolf"-esque. )

Puddin Cheeks

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07 Aug 2008 at 16:12 - 94
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zinger314
So, I post "How come ArenaNet hasn't posted the Dev Update yet?," and I get criticized for having no patience.

Now, when someone else posts "TEH ANTICIPATION IZ KILLING ME!!!111!!!!," you get a multi-page thread of support.

Meh.
For one thing, you are a debbie downer
The second, you catch more flies with honey!!!

Arduin

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07 Aug 2008 at 16:13 - 95
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Originally Posted by Trub
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Haha epic picture, Trub

@Kermitz: You mean you want to buff the Imbagon even more? It's called that for a reason.

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07 Aug 2008 at 16:13 - 96
I only have one hope... that they improve paragons and not the people who made paragons to keep up ursan blessing with shouts cause those are sad people who doesn't appreciate a paragon.

Mr. Undisclosed

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07 Aug 2008 at 16:54 - 97
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Originally Posted by Trub
Much <3 for Trubs.

Stolen Souls

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07 Aug 2008 at 16:57 - 98
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- Ursan is getting the nerf bat. It will no longer be able to be maintained continuously. (There may be addition changes to this skill as well)
- Shadow form is getting a buff
- There will be changes to the UW monsters
- Hard Mode will be harder
- HoM changes are not in this update

If all of this is true, and they do all of this at once, then I am far more anxious to watch the forum threads than the update itself. This will be extremely entertaining.

White Lies

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07 Aug 2008 at 17:01 - 99
anyone got more popcorn? theyve run out in the shops :P

~Lies

EDIT: When is this update actually taking place? it shud have happend 5lins agoaccording to what i was told

R.Shayne

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Join Date: Oct 2007

07 Aug 2008 at 17:13 - 100
Quote:
Originally Posted by White Lies
EDIT: When is this update actually taking place? it shud have happend 5lins agoaccording to what i was told
Usually happen around 4pm eastern time zone, but has happen as late as 6pm eastern. No firm time.


I would like to see seven heroes, don't pug is a golden rule I should never break again. I broke it last night because I found a non-ursan group doing FoW, I was reminded why I will never break that rule again. I can only say if you don’t have a second account to make a 6 hero party, I feel for you.

Off to Perma-sin the UW one last time. Updating the monsters in the UW sounds interesting.

Good luck with the update and if you have buttered and un-salted popcorn I will take some.

Zahr Dalsk

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Join Date: Aug 2007

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07 Aug 2008 at 17:18 - 101
Quote:
Originally Posted by R.Shayne
I would like to see seven heroes
So would 75% of players. Myself included amongst them. Does ArenaNet care? No... they'd rather do trivial things like tonics than fix the bug that limits our heroes at 3. (Because I cannot fathom why it could be anything other than a bug, especially with so immature and intolerable PUG population as that if Guild Wars.)

Parson Brown

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In ur base...

The one true [Hope]

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07 Aug 2008 at 17:19 - 102
Hard mode will be harder.


Can't wait to see what that means. Best case: more varied skillbars on enemies.

Worst case: Some BS environmental effect in every zone (Realm of Torment-like)

Most likely case: +3 levels to all mobs...

sixofone

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07 Aug 2008 at 17:21 - 103
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zahr Dalsk
So would 75% of players. Myself included amongst them. Does ArenaNet care? No... they'd rather do trivial things like tonics than fix the bug that limits our heroes at 3. (Because I cannot fathom why it could be anything other than a bug, especially with so immature and intolerable PUG population as that if Guild Wars.)
Not a bug. It was limited by design, and (if you listen to all the posts) many people consider heroes part of what has "killed" GW.

Myself: I H&H everything. My few tries at PUGging were horrible, and so was my 1 experience with a "guild." There are good players out there! Just - meeting them seems to be something karmic I guess.

Puebert

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07 Aug 2008 at 17:23 - 104
Quote:
Originally Posted by Parson Brown
Hard mode will be harder.


Can't wait to see what that means. Best case: more varied skillbars on enemies.

Worst case: Some BS environmental effect in every zone (Realm of Torment-like)

Most likely case: +3 levels to all mobs...
Most badass case: All enemies have the skill "BAMPH!" added to their skillbars.

Molock

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07 Aug 2008 at 17:23 - 105
Don't expect too much from this update guys... its probably just a skill update with the HoM changes.

Sniper22

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07 Aug 2008 at 17:24 - 106
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zahr Dalsk
So would 75% of players. Myself included amongst them. Does ArenaNet care? No... they'd rather do trivial things like tonics than fix the bug that limits our heroes at 3. (Because I cannot fathom why it could be anything other than a bug, especially with so immature and intolerable PUG population as that if Guild Wars.)
Show me the poll that says that, ask every player to see what they want and then tell me 75%. Down with heroes and down with henchmen. I'd rather epic fail with "PuGs" all day long because it makes beating mallyx or uw or whatever so much sweeter than just getting some crappy req 13 gold in the end.

Now hopefully this ursan nerf wont be a complete let down... they better have nerfed it hardcore and make it almost useless like Angorodon's Gaze

sixofone

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07 Aug 2008 at 17:27 - 107
Quote:
Originally Posted by Trub
IMG
LOL!!

True enough!

Azora

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07 Aug 2008 at 17:27 - 108
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Originally Posted by super strokey
Im pretty sure we all would for things like twisting jaws lol

Ursan gets nerfed a new overpowered skill will be born!!!

Jawsway ftw!!!!

Free Sigils

Free Sigils

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07 Aug 2008 at 17:28 - 109
I LoL'ed IRL

Zahr Dalsk

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07 Aug 2008 at 17:28 - 110
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sniper22
Show me the poll that says that, ask every player to see what they want and then tell me 75%. Down with heroes and down with henchmen. I'd rather epic fail with "PuGs" all day long because it makes beating mallyx or uw or whatever so much sweeter than just getting some crappy req 13 gold in the end.

Now hopefully this ursan nerf wont be a complete let down... they better have nerfed it hardcore and make it almost useless like Angorodon's Gaze
You got me, it was only 73.68% in favor of removal of that cap. I rounded it to 75%.
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10307401

You do realize that just about every H/H player would simply stop playing and never buy a Gw game again if heroes were removed, right? And that H/H makes up a very large percentage of ArenaNet's customer base, right?

mazza558

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07 Aug 2008 at 17:29 - 111
The CERN Hadron Collider's going online (IIRC) in just under 6 hours. We might only get a few hours of QQ

/sarcasm

komma

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07 Aug 2008 at 17:31 - 112
woot anti-matter!

Sniper22

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07 Aug 2008 at 17:33 - 113
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zahr Dalsk
You got me, it was only 73.68% in favor of removal of that cap. I rounded it to 75%.
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10307401

You do realize that just about every H/H player would simply stop playing and never buy a Gw game again if heroes were removed, right? And that H/H makes up a very large percentage of ArenaNet's customer base, right?
Yes this represents the guru population, but what about all those other casual players who don't come on guru? All those players that you say make your group fail when you PuG? If heroes were removed, honestly everyone wouldn't leave lol. How do you think we did it without nightfall? Think how many real groups would be formed if we didn't even have heroes? If you want a single player game, then go play Oblivion or something.

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07 Aug 2008 at 17:35 - 114
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gun Pierson
D-Day ha, couple hours away from the update if all goes well.

Go go 7 heroes! (one can only hope)
Oh yeah cheers to that small hope, but im with you, one can never have to many heroes.

Theres no imba on 7 heroes, they will just replace the old and busted henchies.

But anyways, Gimme update now, i know i shouldnt get my hopes up but honestly after a month of no updates id welcome anything.

EDIT:

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Originally Posted by Trub
lulwut?
ZOMG Trub, thats awesome

sixofone

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07 Aug 2008 at 17:37 - 115
Great pic, again, Trub!

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07 Aug 2008 at 17:38 - 116
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sniper22
Yes this represents the guru population, but what about all those other casual players who don't come on guru? All those players that you say make your group fail when you PuG? If heroes were removed, honestly everyone wouldn't leave lol. How do you think we did it without nightfall? Think how many real groups would be formed if we didn't even have heroes? If you want a single player game, then go play Oblivion or something.
How did I do it pre-Nightfall?

Simple: with henchmen.

thral

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07 Aug 2008 at 17:40 - 117
wake me up when they update it. *goes back to sleep*

So more or less how long will it be?

Zahr Dalsk

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07 Aug 2008 at 17:43 - 118
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sniper22
Yes this represents the guru population, but what about all those other casual players who don't come on guru? All those players that you say make your group fail when you PuG? If heroes were removed, honestly everyone wouldn't leave lol. How do you think we did it without nightfall? Think how many real groups would be formed if we didn't even have heroes? If you want a single player game, then go play Oblivion or something.
/yawn

It's called a poll.

If you look around at the ingame population, the figure still floats around 75%. Usually higher because the H/H players are out having fun while PUGs are in the outposts that I search, stuck looking for more pigmail wammos.

If heroes were removed we would leave. We managed before Nightfall because there were henchmen and because we'd never seen heroes. Now that we have heroes - if the AI was removed, those of us without highly active and skilled guild teams would simply not play at all. Pickup Groups are far too stressful. I personally have no time to stand around a pack of wammos telling immature jokes and drawing phallic objects on the compass.

And if you tell me H/H isn't an intended part of gameplay and that I should go play Oblivion, read the back of the Prophecies and Nightfall boxes. Then come tell me about H/H not being intended as a valid form of gameplay.

sixofone

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07 Aug 2008 at 17:43 - 119
See, I started GW with Nightfall so - I got spoiled, and used to having heroes.

When I started Prophecies, and the low-level sucky henchies (especially the Monk henchies - I mean, come on! a Monk with no condition removal?), I quickly grew frustrated and ran myself to LA so I could get to Kamadan and get my heroes! Then, I went back and did the missions, and it was so much easier.

Hence, the great discussion: did Heroes kill GW? For the purists, I guess it did. For those who enjoy H&H (for a variety of reasons, not the least of which is time & availability), Heroes are a godsend! PLus - I mean - just look at Jora and Livia!! Who cares if a Warrior is a wasted Hero slot. Look at her!!

Lest121

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07 Aug 2008 at 17:45 - 120
I hope they never put 7 Heroes it's bad enough people don't pug anymore other than Ursan which gets Nerf today, you people really want to turn this game in a My heroes are better than you, main reason why so many people suck because there's no one to give them advice like it was in the old days, if you want 7 Heroes and don't want to play with others I suggest playing Final Fantasy, you will be right at home you don't have to worry about any one.