The Anticipation is Killing ME!!!

Ctb

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2006

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07 Aug 2008 at 17:47 - 121
Quote:
When I started Prophecies, and the low-level sucky henchies (especially the Monk henchies - I mean, come on! a Monk with no condition removal?), I quickly grew frustrated and ran myself to LA so I could get to Kamadan and get my heroes! Then, I went back and did the missions, and it was so much easier.
You'd have really loved the game back when you couldn't flag henches and they were even stupider than they are now.

Frankly, though, if I wanted to play a "game" that was just an exercise in advancement with no challenge, I'd just go level new characters in WoW.

Trub

Trub

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Mar 2006

Sitting in the guildhall, watching the wallows frolic.

Trinity of the ascended [SMS]+[Koss]+[TAM]=[ToA]

07 Aug 2008 at 17:50 - 122
Quote:
Originally Posted by thral
wake me up when they update it. *goes back to sleep*

So more or less how long will it be?
1 case of favorite beverage, 8 threads 'posted' in, 1 Bogroots HM run...and then we should have the 'update'.
WEWT!

imnotyourmother

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2008

in a house

The Knitters Guild

W/R

07 Aug 2008 at 17:54 - 123
Well just try and get into a group with no hero's or henchies. What? Where. GLINT. Try and kill glint these days. Heros are micro managed. I did this and got no satisfaction doing it as some year ago. Now people quit and yell and scream and curse and rant and place blame and it is crazy should someone die. I am a war. I hack and slash no thought to it right? Where is that monk? Left Who to res me? epic fail. I tried this for 4 or 5 hours and still need to kill Glint. Forget it. I'm going to pre I said to my self.

Anduin

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2006

Ice Dragon Berserker Lodge

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07 Aug 2008 at 17:56 - 124
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Originally Posted by underverse_ninja
I hope they never put 7 Heroes it's bad enough people don't pug anymore other than Ursan which gets Nerf today, you people really want to turn this game in a My heroes are better than you, main reason why so many people suck because there's no one to give them advice like it was in the old days, if you want 7 Heroes and don't want to play with others I suggest playing Final Fantasy, you will be right at home you don't have to worry about any one.
No one gave me advice. I've been playing with henchmen/my little brother since the game came out. It has been at least 2 years since I have PUGed anything, and those were almost always disastrous.

How did I learn then? By playing. Trial and error. I hate Final Fantasy. I want to play this game with 7 heroes, regardless of whether it happens or not. I don't want to play something else.

You forget, people who want to PUG can and will STILL DO IT. No one is forcing them not to. No amount of heroes will change that. Those who don't want to PUG use 4 henchmen. How does that impact on you at all?

drago34

drago34

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Join Date: Feb 2005

California

Looking for good PvE guild ...

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07 Aug 2008 at 17:58 - 125
Am I the only one disappointed that with the same GW2 news for over a year now that they are already starting the monthly updates without new info on it?

zamial

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Usa

TKC

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07 Aug 2008 at 17:59 - 126
About heroes:

Heroes were added because the player base was starting to spread thin, heroes fill that gap. I speculate that 7 heroes will be implemented shortly after the release of GW2 for the same reasons. With that reason in mind I support moving to 7 heroes when it is needed.

Trub

Trub

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Mar 2006

Sitting in the guildhall, watching the wallows frolic.

Trinity of the ascended [SMS]+[Koss]+[TAM]=[ToA]

07 Aug 2008 at 18:01 - 127
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Anduin wrote: You forget, people who want to PUG can and will STILL DO IT. No one is forcing them not to. No amount of heroes will change that. Those who don't want to PUG use 4 henchmen. How does that impact on you at all?
There was a time, when more experienced players enjoyed passing their knowledge on to a PuG team.
It was 'normal' back when.
Now, PuGs are 90% "Hurry hurry..gogogogo! I need this mission done before dinner!"
No experienced player I know of wants to tolerate these kids any longer.
That's why, there are guilds.
Play with your guild, and alliance.

Kos Luftar

Kos Luftar

Academy Page

Join Date: Dec 2006

Canada

Scars Meadows

W/Mo

07 Aug 2008 at 18:03 - 128
Trub ftw. LoL.

Abedeus

Abedeus

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Jan 2007

Niflheim

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07 Aug 2008 at 18:04 - 129
Quote:
Originally Posted by underverse_ninja
I hope they never put 7 Heroes it's bad enough people don't pug anymore other than Ursan which gets Nerf today, you people really want to turn this game in a My heroes are better than you, main reason why so many people suck because there's no one to give them advice like it was in the old days, if you want 7 Heroes and don't want to play with others I suggest playing Final Fantasy, you will be right at home you don't have to worry about any one.
Game was designed to be soloable. Heroes are just henches that can have not f'ed up builds from nowhere, made up by a monkey on the wall and they can be controlled.

And if you removed heroes, people wouldn't pug. People that h/h would just quit, including me, because nobody normal would want to suffer with pugfailz. And henches suck terribly.

Besides, try to find people for Another Quest Somewhere At The End of World in Factions When Nobody Is There Like Eternal Grove Without Heroes Or Flags.

Quote:
Now, PuGs are 90% "Hurry hurry..gogogogo! I need this mission done before dinner!"
No experienced player I know of wants to tolerate these kids any longer.
I luv u <333.

Oremir

Oremir

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Join Date: Aug 2008

Holland

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07 Aug 2008 at 18:04 - 130
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Originally Posted by Zahr Dalsk
You got me, it was only 73.68% in favor of removal of that cap. I rounded it to 75%.
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10307401

You do realize that just about every H/H player would simply stop playing and never buy a Gw game again if heroes were removed, right? And that H/H makes up a very large percentage of ArenaNet's customer base, right?
Wow ... yea destroy the Multiplayer aspect in MMO wont ye? if you can have a full Hero party you might just aswell make GW a singleplayer game , getting in a group and interacting with other people is bad enough as it is with the limit.

leeky baby

leeky baby

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2005

Surrey University

Starting to play again... need a guild

W/E

07 Aug 2008 at 18:08 - 131
what time is the update ment to be?

Gun Pierson

Gun Pierson

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2006

Belgium

PIMP

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07 Aug 2008 at 18:11 - 132
Waky waky, I play with 6 heroes on two accounts like so many others. Would be easier with 7 on one account. Next, it's one of the most popular features players would like. If you wanne play with people, I suggest you join an active guild.

Anyway, there's a nice interesting topic about 7 heroes with pros and cons. Lots of pros, not one valid counter argument.

illidan009

illidan009

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2008

Volterra, Italy

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07 Aug 2008 at 18:11 - 133
MONSTER UPDATE?? MMMMMMMMMMMONSTER KILL!!! I hope it really is like that though...watch them SF again and UB in one go...LOLOL I'm gonna die of laughter...
If they put 7 RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing heros up I'm quitting....well not rly but I'd be extremely pissed off.
I do think GW is still a great game despite not being happy with some of the new stuff...but hey nothing is perfect. No QQ this time : )

Dylananimus

Dylananimus

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Join Date: Mar 2007

The Eternal Champions

W/Mo

07 Aug 2008 at 18:12 - 134
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Originally Posted by romeus petrus
I have said it before I'll say it again:

Prepare to be underwhelmed!
^what they said x10

Oremir

Oremir

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Aug 2008

Holland

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07 Aug 2008 at 18:12 - 135
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Originally Posted by mazza558
The CERN Hadron Collider's going online (IIRC) in just under 6 hours. We might only get a few hours of QQ

/sarcasm
Actually we have another 33 days to live.

http://public.web.cern.ch/Public/Welcome.html

Puddin Cheeks

Puddin Cheeks

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2006

On Welfare

Jelly of the Month [Club]

07 Aug 2008 at 18:14 - 136
By my completely un-educated hypothesis, we have about 45 minutes to go.

thral

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2007

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07 Aug 2008 at 18:14 - 137
Quote:
Originally Posted by Trub
1 case of favorite beverage, 8 threads 'posted' in, 1 Bogroots HM run...and then we should have the 'update'.
WEWT!
Hmm ok *goes to buy a case of vodka* that should cover the case and Bogroot run, now to go post.

Apollo Smile

Apollo Smile

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2008

[LORE]

E/Mo

07 Aug 2008 at 18:14 - 138
Any one else wanna join me at the Temple of Ages when the update hits to laugh at the ursans?

Lest121

Lest121

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2007

Army of Darkness

A/Mo

07 Aug 2008 at 18:15 - 139
7 Heroes=bad plus overpowered crap........Sabway/Imbagons takes HM and turn it into a joke, I have seen it with my own eyes, with just a few hours a day you can get Legendary VQ in 6 weeks.

Sniper22

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2005

07 Aug 2008 at 18:15 - 140
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Originally Posted by Zahr Dalsk
/yawn

It's called a poll.

If you look around at the ingame population, the figure still floats around 75%. Usually higher because the H/H players are out having fun while PUGs are in the outposts that I search, stuck looking for more pigmail wammos.

If heroes were removed we would leave. We managed before Nightfall because there were henchmen and because we'd never seen heroes. Now that we have heroes - if the AI was removed, those of us without highly active and skilled guild teams would simply not play at all. Pickup Groups are far too stressful. I personally have no time to stand around a pack of wammos telling immature jokes and drawing phallic objects on the compass.

And if you tell me H/H isn't an intended part of gameplay and that I should go play Oblivion, read the back of the Prophecies and Nightfall boxes. Then come tell me about H/H not being intended as a valid form of gameplay.
Yes for those all those random quests which serve no real purpose, but I highly doubt anet wanted us to go through the whole game playing by ourself, otherwise they would let us play offline. Honestly thats the lamest thing I ever heard, the whole "now that we have them we can't live without it". Oh man if this is anet's thinking then the ursan nerf is gonna be a big let down. If you want to do well in pve, join a pve alliance or guild, plenty of groups can be formed there.

Stolen Souls

Stolen Souls

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2006

07 Aug 2008 at 18:17 - 141
There's no reason to argue over whether 7 heros is bad or not. That poor horse's corpse has been beaten enough. 7 heros isn't gonna happen anyway. No need to get riled up over that.

sixofone

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2007

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07 Aug 2008 at 18:18 - 142
Quote:
Originally Posted by Oremir
Wow ... yea destroy the Multiplayer aspect in MMO wont ye? if you can have a full Hero party you might just aswell make GW a singleplayer game , getting in a group and interacting with other people is bad enough as it is with the limit.
I thought the multiplayer aspect was an option of GW, not a requirement? Maybe I read the package wrong. When I bought Nightfall, this was my first foray into an on-line game, and since I figured I'd be too n00b to play well, I liked having the option to learn on my own where I wouldn't get other players killed, or get screamed at. Plus, my schedule is kind of grave-yard shift, so when I play, it's just easier to be able to pick up and go and leave off when I need to w/o screwing up a group. I H&H'd to learn the game, out of consideration for those who are more skilled and/or hardcore than myself. And that's why I like the option to H&H, or join up with others.

Cebe

Cebe

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Join Date: Jul 2006

Inverness, Scotland

The Cult of Scaro [WHO]

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07 Aug 2008 at 18:18 - 143
Quote:
Originally Posted by Trub
There was a time, when more experienced players enjoyed passing their knowledge on to a PuG team.
It was 'normal' back when.
Now, PuGs are 90% "Hurry hurry..gogogogo! I need this mission done before dinner!"
No experienced player I know of wants to tolerate these kids any longer.
That's why, there are guilds.
Play with your guild, and alliance.
This is the best post so far this year.

The difference since when I started and now is quite stark. If you get a bad guild in your alliance as I have in the past Alliance Chat is full of "OMG I NEED 2 GET THIS MISHUN DUN WHO CAN HELP?"....× 100 until someone gives in or the guild gets kicked.

Noone has any patience any more, people just want to get to the end to get their free green.

Puddin Cheeks

Puddin Cheeks

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2006

On Welfare

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07 Aug 2008 at 18:19 - 144
It hasn't even been mentioned about a hero cap change, so why all of the speculation. Oh yeah, that is what we do on forums to pass the time, speculate on.

I will pick up my case of beer on the way home "EARLY" from work.

eximiis

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Oct 2007

07 Aug 2008 at 18:20 - 145
Quote:
Originally Posted by Oremir
Wow ... yea destroy the Multiplayer aspect in MMO wont ye? if you can have a full Hero party you might just aswell make GW a singleplayer game , getting in a group and interacting with other people is bad enough as it is with the limit.
But then again, you can find a guild that suits ur needs. If you have problem forming a group or interacting with other ppl. then ur in the wrong guild.

Having 7 heroes will just make teh game funnier for those who wants 7 heroes.

Gregslot

Gregslot

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2006

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07 Aug 2008 at 18:21 - 146
Henchman AI is the same as monster AI as far as i know.

When they changed faithful intervention so that heroes would use it properly, it also changed how those margonites used.

edit: i really wanted to know how and if they are changing some titles for the HoM update, i guess we wont see it now.

Abedeus

Abedeus

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Jan 2007

Niflheim

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07 Aug 2008 at 18:21 - 147
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Originally Posted by underverse_ninja
7 Heroes=bad plus overpowered crap........Sabway/Imbagons takes HM and turn it into a joke, I have seen it with my own eyes, with just a few hours a day you can get Legendary VQ in 6 weeks.
8 people = super bad plus mega overpowered.

5 physicals + order necro + imbagon turn FoW HM into a joke, under 45 minutes, legendary VQ in a month!!!

Remove 8 people, make areas with them into 6 people areas and double amount of monsters!!!

...Remember, 7 heroes will never be better than 8 good people. Heroes never get better. Players do. LETS NERF PLAYERS!!!

wraith_9_00

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jan 2007

Nightmare Fire Walkers

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07 Aug 2008 at 18:24 - 148
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Wow ... yea destroy the Multiplayer aspect in MMO wont ye? if you can have a full Hero party you might just aswell make GW a singleplayer game , getting in a group and interacting with other people is bad enough as it is with the limit.
How big of an effect do you think being able to have a full party of Heros would have on the people that want to play GW with other people, honestly? People have been playing with full parties of henchmen since the game was released, and still the PUG exists, in whatever form it may take now. I personally have only ever been part of a PUG once, and though it was a good experience that one time, I far prefer to play the game with just a very small handful of people, and I do spend a bit of time playing by myself.

Adding the ability to use 7 heroes instead of just 3 likely would take a small number of people that would otherwise be in a PUG and make them into solo players, but I doubt that you'd see a very big change in the number of people who would rather play with other live players. For the most part, the players that don't want to bother with other players are going to H/H their way through the game, like I've done most of the way, and the players who would rather play with other people will still look for PUGs or go out with guildmates to play.

Personally, I could go either way on it. For PvE, where I play, while I would certainly love to be able to take out 7 heroes, I've done pretty good for myself with H/H groups and the small handful of people that I do play with.

AncientLord

AncientLord

Academy Page

Join Date: Nov 2006

Slovenia

Battlecry Warlords

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07 Aug 2008 at 18:24 - 149
Quote:
Originally Posted by Apollo Smile
Any one else wanna join me at the Temple of Ages when the update hits to laugh at the ursans?
Hit me ign and ill come

Deathly_Overlord

Deathly_Overlord

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2006

A house :)

LaZy!

Mo/

07 Aug 2008 at 18:26 - 150
/pickme for laughing at Ursans, tell me which dis and I'll be there.

White Lies

White Lies

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Feb 2007

07 Aug 2008 at 18:26 - 151
Having 7 heros would, imo, kill the game more. You could rush through any area better than with (the soon to be) ex-ursan (xD).
S-way + the paragon and derv hero setup im always forgetting the name of, then you and maybe a melee hero, and there we go youve just become a loner!

I'm getting bored of waiting.... So im going to have a sneaky drink before the update is released.
I bet the majority of hard-core ursan arn't going to download the update and live with their descktops/laptops burning holes in their electricity bills for as long as they can afford before giving in to haaving to learn to play.

~Lies

EDIT: Post the district and the time in GMT or GMT+1 (im fussy arnt i ) and ill come join :P

Lordhelmos

Lordhelmos

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2006

Sentients of Shadow (noir)

Me/E

07 Aug 2008 at 18:27 - 152
They waited way too long before giving us an update that is supposedly "monster" in magnitude. Saying all this stuff about how this "monster" update is going to fix half a years worth of mindless Ursan button mashing in PvE, horrible map rotations, VoD retardedness, gimmick split builds winning gold capes because of broken mechanics in GvG, a years worth of HA being worthless since the post factions midline rit and paragon class fiasco...

Saying this now is like watching Private Poleski belly dive on a hand grenade to save the team, while afterwards the medic runs over to the mangled beefcake left over and tries to do CPR on it, saying "he can be saved!"

Granted, I commend them on coming out and attempting to appease a community that's been holding its breath for a long time, but a tremedous amount of damage has been done due to lingering problems. Maybe not all are ANET's fault, but generally can be applied to the degradation and limits of the GW system as a whole.

I mean in the high end field, within the last 2 months just about every single team save for Rebel Rising quit because of problems with the meta, or just plain moved on to another game.

On top of that, theres the issue of dead zones in guild wars, where its pretty much impossible to build a party not comprised of entirely heroes and henchies.

You can walk around many areas of GW and see that for he most part, places like factions as a whole are almost totally abandoned, like a McPlay Place at Christmas.

With all of that said, its hard to debate whether a single update can really infuse as much life into the game that is needed to revive it. On top of that, with the number of threads about this update being posted, ANET has alot riding on this update.

You could say this could be the beginning of the end, maybe a realization of reality for the community, or maybe ANET might actually come through on this one and give the community enough to stop the pitchforks and torches from burning through the server.

Either way, this will probably be the most epic update on Guildwars. Alot of people I know are throwing their considerations on continuing to play GW or going to another game like WoW on the outcome of this update and how much is positively effects the community.

Either way, in a few hours we might all just actually find out how good ANET is at CPR.

Morgoth the dark

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Feb 2006

[CDEX]

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07 Aug 2008 at 18:28 - 153
hahah count me in, that's gonna be hilarious.

Trub

Trub

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Mar 2006

Sitting in the guildhall, watching the wallows frolic.

Trinity of the ascended [SMS]+[Koss]+[TAM]=[ToA]

07 Aug 2008 at 18:29 - 154
Quote:
Originally Posted by Apollo Smile
Any one else wanna join me at the Temple of Ages when the update hits to laugh at the ursans?
I'll bring the potato salad!
But, just our luck..they won't be there for the BBQ..they will be off in Cantha making their new SF sins.......

White Lies

White Lies

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Feb 2007

07 Aug 2008 at 18:30 - 155
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lordhelmos
Either way, in a few hours we might all just actually find out how good ANET is at CPR.
I lol'ed. Epicly.

~Lies

thral

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2007

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07 Aug 2008 at 18:31 - 156
Cant wait for my guild leader to get back :') he loved doing uw ursan way,
Hmm *goes to get popcorn and a couch in ToA* let the show begin.

soon.....i hope..........

kostolomac

kostolomac

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2008

Serbia

Me/

07 Aug 2008 at 18:32 - 157
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But, just our luck..they won't be there for the BBQ..they will be off in Cantha making their new SF sins.......
Aren't SF sins supposed to be kicked out of the plains , but get the damage falloff removed?

Deathly_Overlord

Deathly_Overlord

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2006

A house :)

LaZy!

Mo/

07 Aug 2008 at 18:32 - 158
ToA American Dis 1 at 8pm BST anyone ?

Scythe O F Glory

Scythe O F Glory

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2008

New Jersey

League of Elite [LoE]

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07 Aug 2008 at 18:33 - 159
Do u think when they say "monster", they mean literally, a monster update? PLZ improve monster AI and give em better skillbars....
Also ill be laughing at the Ursans

Morgoth the dark

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Feb 2006

[CDEX]

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07 Aug 2008 at 18:34 - 160
when is this thing kicking in?