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Spawning power attr missed some impotant ritualist role
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Originally Posted by upier
Ohh and change spirits so that you can have multiple version of one spirit present on the battlefield at any given time (PvE ONLY once again!).
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Originally Posted by Crom the Pale
I like the idea of gaining +1 energy for each 3 points in spawning power when you drop an item. The problem with that is it could be abused in some instances where there are items that require a player to cary it, crystals in the Elona Reach mission for example or Flags in PvP.
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Originally Posted by tmakinen
Oo ... that would be major imba. Pop a Bloodsong, Sin Promise, repeat until anything in the vicinity gets instagibbed by 20+ Bloodsongs hitting simultaneously.
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Originally Posted by Sante_Kelm
Since Ritualist monsters re-create spirits on recharge, I could see this getting way out of hand. Maybe if only players could use it?
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I don't remember many foes that would be running around with RL or AP as their secondary.
The only guys that might be pose a problem are the Char baddies which cast Anguish in GWEN. But then again - spirits still are static, still have the stupid AI, low HP and low armour.
It might make the game a bit more challenging then it is now - but considering the easy-fest we are playing now - that wouldn't be that much of an issue.
I don't see it being worthy of much consideration in a game where PvE foes have static skillbars.
(Besides for that X numbers of areas where the spirits MIGHT get out of hand (foe the not-so-skilled players)- one can always use the newly buffed Consume Soul.
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Originally Posted by upier
Spirits still have insanely long recharges unless you use a skill to modify that.
I don't remember many foes that would be running around with RL or AP as their secondary. The only guys that might be pose a problem are the Char baddies which cast Anguish in GWEN. But then again - spirits still are static, still have the stupid AI, low HP and low armour. It might make the game a bit more challenging then it is now - but considering the easy-fest we are playing now - that wouldn't be that much of an issue. I don't see it being worthy of much consideration in a game where PvE foes have static skillbars. (Besides for that X numbers of areas where the spirits MIGHT get out of hand (foe the not-so-skilled players)- one can always use the newly buffed Consume Soul. ) |
Oh, and I'm almost positive Consume Soul was changed to counter the awesomely overpowered Order of Undeath. A little Ritualist justice with all those N/Rts floating around. I tip my tinfoil hat to you.
Imo a lot of ideas here will be very overpowering for Rits. Rits are fine in PvP (and Anet dont want to break that fragile balance).
But they need some long lasting bonuses in PvE, where you much heavily using skills and spells.
Imo following good ideas for carefully balancing:
1. Add some mana or more defence (not +10 insignia, but at least +20, we loosing shield with urn) while holding an item (depending on spawning power attribute or nor)
2. Small mana gaining while create or drop urn - will help using offensive urns like "Cruel was" and "Grasping was"
3. Rebalance spirits that they benefit more (or suffer less damage) from primary attribute.
4. Add bonuses for "casting weapon spell while holding an item", e.x. - gain 1 mana for each 8 points in SP - this will fit ritualist role very well but this can add a lot of misusing.
5. Maybe add soul reaping effect for spirits dying, because Rits close to Necros by their nature.
6. And add a Hex for spirit attacks targeting =))) so we can focus spirit fire on some dangerous enemy, not on random pets running around
Personally I dont like idea with multiple spirits, and rethought an idea about ranger gimmic with SP=expertise, that reduction should affect only Spirits\Item Spells, but no more:
imagine what you can do on 16 sp with "Attuned was" 53% reduction an ~50% from attribute benefit if it will affect all spells... Quite all free skills, and Eles will woe about "attuned rits are better nukers". Dont forget the "meta" that cost reduction have inner benefit to e-regeneration (you will regenerate spell energy cost faster with reduction, because your 10e will be 5e with cost reduction).
PS: Hope Anet reading our suggestions, and we dont spend our time uselessly. We can make a petition =) if anyone write it in good official english =)
But they need some long lasting bonuses in PvE, where you much heavily using skills and spells.
Imo following good ideas for carefully balancing:
1. Add some mana or more defence (not +10 insignia, but at least +20, we loosing shield with urn) while holding an item (depending on spawning power attribute or nor)
2. Small mana gaining while create or drop urn - will help using offensive urns like "Cruel was" and "Grasping was"
3. Rebalance spirits that they benefit more (or suffer less damage) from primary attribute.
4. Add bonuses for "casting weapon spell while holding an item", e.x. - gain 1 mana for each 8 points in SP - this will fit ritualist role very well but this can add a lot of misusing.
5. Maybe add soul reaping effect for spirits dying, because Rits close to Necros by their nature.
6. And add a Hex for spirit attacks targeting =))) so we can focus spirit fire on some dangerous enemy, not on random pets running around
Personally I dont like idea with multiple spirits, and rethought an idea about ranger gimmic with SP=expertise, that reduction should affect only Spirits\Item Spells, but no more:
imagine what you can do on 16 sp with "Attuned was" 53% reduction an ~50% from attribute benefit if it will affect all spells... Quite all free skills, and Eles will woe about "attuned rits are better nukers". Dont forget the "meta" that cost reduction have inner benefit to e-regeneration (you will regenerate spell energy cost faster with reduction, because your 10e will be 5e with cost reduction).
PS: Hope Anet reading our suggestions, and we dont spend our time uselessly. We can make a petition =) if anyone write it in good official english =)
i'd like to see a buff on spawning power and spirits also. i play a rit flagger in gvg, and i can take down an enemy recuperation spirit with caretaker + channeled strike. what a waste of 25e on the enemy rit's part. defensive spirits (ie. ones that don't attack) should not be so pathetically easy to kill. a level 8 recup w/ 3 spawning power only has 179 health ffs. that's a 25e 45 sec recharge spirit. there is no reason to even bother speccing into spawning power - let's say you are insane and spec 9 into spawning power, recup now has a whopping 218 health. woohoo? you can still sneeze at it to kill it.
spirits are in desperate need of a health and armor buff, and having a good reason to spec a bit into spawning power would be nice. i'd like to see spawning power act a bit like leadership or soul reaping - scaled energy gain upon spirit death and maybe even pot dropping. item spells could use some love too - there are so few item spells worth sacrificing your weapon bonuses for.
spirits are in desperate need of a health and armor buff, and having a good reason to spec a bit into spawning power would be nice. i'd like to see spawning power act a bit like leadership or soul reaping - scaled energy gain upon spirit death and maybe even pot dropping. item spells could use some love too - there are so few item spells worth sacrificing your weapon bonuses for.
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Originally Posted by MithranArkanere
Something like: For each point in Spawning power you have, your AoE skills have 5% more range.
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Originally Posted by centur
Imo a lot of ideas here will be very overpowering for Rits. Rits are fine in PvP (and Anet dont want to break that fragile balance).
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Originally Posted by centur
1. Add some mana or more defence (not +10 insignia, but at least +20, we loosing shield with urn) while holding an item (depending on spawning power attribute or nor)
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Originally Posted by centur
2. Small mana gaining while create or drop urn - will help using offensive urns like "Cruel was" and "Grasping was"
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Sureeeee.
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Originally Posted by centur
3. Rebalance spirits that they benefit more (or suffer less damage) from primary attribute.
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Originally Posted by centur
4. Add bonuses for "casting weapon spell while holding an item", e.x. - gain 1 mana for each 8 points in SP - this will fit ritualist role very well but this can add a lot of misusing.
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Originally Posted by centur
5. Maybe add soul reaping effect for spirits dying, because Rits close to Necros by their nature.
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Originally Posted by centur
6. And add a Hex for spirit attacks targeting =))) so we can focus spirit fire on some dangerous enemy, not on random pets running around
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Originally Posted by rohara
i'd like to see a buff on spawning power and spirits also. i play a rit flagger in gvg, and i can take down an enemy recuperation spirit with caretaker + channeled strike. what a waste of 25e on the enemy rit's part. defensive spirits (ie. ones that don't attack) should not be so pathetically easy to kill. a level 8 recup w/ 3 spawning power only has 179 health ffs. that's a 25e 45 sec recharge spirit. there is no reason to even bother speccing into spawning power - let's say you are insane and spec 9 into spawning power, recup now has a whopping 218 health. woohoo? you can still sneeze at it to kill it.
spirits are in desperate need of a health and armor buff, and having a good reason to spec a bit into spawning power would be nice. i'd like to see spawning power act a bit like leadership or soul reaping - scaled energy gain upon spirit death and maybe even pot dropping. item spells could use some love too - there are so few item spells worth sacrificing your weapon bonuses for. |
Strength is fine - nowadays, most Warrior builds spec decent amounts of Strength because the skills tied to Strength are good enough to justify it. The passive effect, however weak, is just an added bonus.
Fast Casting is at least better than Spawning Power - few Mesmer builds don't benefit at least a little from Fast Casting, while it's possible - and, in the current meta, common - for SP to be completely irrelevant to a Rit build.
A suggestion I've made elsewhere is for Spawning Power to provide some sort of augmentation to every type of Ritualist skill - and tone down the basic levels of the skills so that an 11/11/10 split is roughly equivalent in strength to a 12/12 split now (after runes and other considerations).This would also have the benefit of applying the nerfbat to Ritualist secondaries, many of which are seen as being overpowered.
Fast Casting is at least better than Spawning Power - few Mesmer builds don't benefit at least a little from Fast Casting, while it's possible - and, in the current meta, common - for SP to be completely irrelevant to a Rit build.
A suggestion I've made elsewhere is for Spawning Power to provide some sort of augmentation to every type of Ritualist skill - and tone down the basic levels of the skills so that an 11/11/10 split is roughly equivalent in strength to a 12/12 split now (after runes and other considerations).This would also have the benefit of applying the nerfbat to Ritualist secondaries, many of which are seen as being overpowered.
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Originally Posted by smilingscar
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Spawning (and communing) is in dire need of buffing. How about this: "Whenever you cast or drop an item spell you have an X% chance of summoning a spirit of _____ per rank of Spawning power" where ____ is the spirit of whoever's ashes you're holding and works like Pain. |
Woooooot Lay My 5 Awesome 25 Energy Spirits And Shadow Step Them To Enemies In Pve Oh Noes An Aoe, all spirits dead instantly -_-, now my energy is 0 and i have to wait 30 seconds to do anything besides wand
Big freakin /signed
I like the soul reaping idea, or at least give some better insignias for when casting rituals/holding items, perhaps you have +1...10 energy while holding an item, since you lost any weapon bonuses while holding
Big freakin /signed
I like the soul reaping idea, or at least give some better insignias for when casting rituals/holding items, perhaps you have +1...10 energy while holding an item, since you lost any weapon bonuses while holding
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Originally Posted by Zahr Dalsk
Random chances in a game supposed to promote skill are bad.
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But maybe you're right. How about the spirit is guaranteed upon dropping (with chance of failure at 4 SP or below) and the level scales with spawning? I'd like this even if the spirit didn't do anything except sit there and look pretty while I used it to trigger spell effects.
