Ecto Costs and Armbraces
Joseph Rejekt
I'm curious as to why it is that ectos are still so low yet people are trying to ask 10-20 MORE ectos since Nerfsanway on Armbraces. Before Noobsanway was big, Armbraces dropped to +10-15 ectos then after noobsanway became big AND ectos dropped, they went up to around +20-25... now people are asking +35 to +45? Maybe I'm ranting but it doesn't make sense. With Nerfsanway gone, killing through UW which would lead to fast party ecto drops is now gone, with the changes to UW SF Sins aren't as effective meaning a lack of farming there... shouldn't the prices be up now? Anyone other than me think ANet needs to do a little more to better limit ecto drops to help raise the prices back to around where they should be?
Ghostcell
going to take a long long long time for ecto to reach what they were due to how long ursan and perma-sf were around.
armbraces will be going up due to the announcement a while back of tormented weapons going in HoM
armbraces will be going up due to the announcement a while back of tormented weapons going in HoM
_Nihilist_
^^ Ghostcell figured it out!
@Joseph Rejekt
If you checked Wiki, you would see that Ectos have an average chance to drop of 4% on Aatxes and 2% on Smite Crawlers. I haven't checked for the other UW mobs, but I know that Aatxes and Smites can both be (and are) solo farmed. Even if you look at the flat rate of a percentage return, saying that somehow this magical 4% or 2% occurs over a flat number of mobs killed (which it doesn't, but I'm trying to simplify the point), that's 1 Ecto for every 25 Aatxes or every 50 Smites that bite the dust.
You're saying that a crafting material that already has an insanely low drop rate should be reduced further because *YOU* have a problem with the cost of Ambraces, and apparently can't figure out why the costs have gone up. (again, Ghostcell gave you a the obvious answer, which *ISN'T* Ecto drop rates)
They don't need to reduce the drop rates. This game has been out for 3 years +. Even if they reduce the drop rates now, with the current *PLAYER-DRIVEN PRICE* of Armbraces (which they WON'T), it will do very little to correct the "problem" that you are pointing out. Changes in a price that players will pay for in a Player to Player trade are not ANet's concern, but rather, had you checked some of the Dev Talk, a Player Answer to an announcement involving game changes.
@Joseph Rejekt
If you checked Wiki, you would see that Ectos have an average chance to drop of 4% on Aatxes and 2% on Smite Crawlers. I haven't checked for the other UW mobs, but I know that Aatxes and Smites can both be (and are) solo farmed. Even if you look at the flat rate of a percentage return, saying that somehow this magical 4% or 2% occurs over a flat number of mobs killed (which it doesn't, but I'm trying to simplify the point), that's 1 Ecto for every 25 Aatxes or every 50 Smites that bite the dust.
You're saying that a crafting material that already has an insanely low drop rate should be reduced further because *YOU* have a problem with the cost of Ambraces, and apparently can't figure out why the costs have gone up. (again, Ghostcell gave you a the obvious answer, which *ISN'T* Ecto drop rates)
They don't need to reduce the drop rates. This game has been out for 3 years +. Even if they reduce the drop rates now, with the current *PLAYER-DRIVEN PRICE* of Armbraces (which they WON'T), it will do very little to correct the "problem" that you are pointing out. Changes in a price that players will pay for in a Player to Player trade are not ANet's concern, but rather, had you checked some of the Dev Talk, a Player Answer to an announcement involving game changes.
Dr Strangelove
Guild Wars has an economy?
zling
Ecto prices wont go up any time soon. there are 2 main reasons for that:
1. Ectos have been farmed to death already, way before the SF sin and Ursan... these 2 just caused the market to be flooded by Ectos.
2. almost everyone already has FoW armor, usually more than 1 copy of it. besides FoW armor there is not much you can do with Ectos, just Chaos Gloves for EotN players...
combine these 2 together and you reach a simple conclusion:
Ectos are pretty useless now other than as currency.
and for currency reasons it doesnt really matter how much its worth as long as its somewhat stable...
1. Ectos have been farmed to death already, way before the SF sin and Ursan... these 2 just caused the market to be flooded by Ectos.
2. almost everyone already has FoW armor, usually more than 1 copy of it. besides FoW armor there is not much you can do with Ectos, just Chaos Gloves for EotN players...
combine these 2 together and you reach a simple conclusion:
Ectos are pretty useless now other than as currency.
and for currency reasons it doesnt really matter how much its worth as long as its somewhat stable...
munky
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Originally Posted by Joseph Rejekt
Anyone other than me think ANet needs to do a little more to better limit ecto drops to help raise the prices back to around where they should be?
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really expecting Anet to step in and do something more then nerf builds, change AI ect... is a bit much. in order to really dictate a price they'd have to have the merch buy and sell it at a set price.
ps: by merch i mean material trader.
Shyft the Pyro
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Originally Posted by Dr Strangelove
Guild Wars has an economy?
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AKB48
Dunno I got an Armbrace about 2 weeks ago for 100k+20e.....but then again, maybe I'm just lucky.
fenix
Pretty sure saying Nerfsanway and Noobsanway doesn't make you cool. I stopped reading after the 2nd one, since I'm going to assume the rest of the OP is just as dumb.
Ecto went up because of the nerf, so less supply. Armbraces went up because HoM will have Torment soon.
Ecto went up because of the nerf, so less supply. Armbraces went up because HoM will have Torment soon.
Ben-A-BoO
Well and of course, try to do a full DoA run now in ~1.30 - 1.45 hours with a pug + mallyx ... If anything was affected by the ursan nerf then DoA PuGs for full runs. That alone should explain the price going up ... add to that the HoM changes and there you go ...
Red Sonya
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Originally Posted by Joseph Rejekt
I'm curious as to why it is that ectos are still so low yet people are trying to ask 10-20 MORE ectos since Nerfsanway on Armbraces. Before Noobsanway was big, Armbraces dropped to +10-15 ectos then after noobsanway became big AND ectos dropped, they went up to around +20-25... now people are asking +35 to +45? Maybe I'm ranting but it doesn't make sense. With Nerfsanway gone, killing through UW which would lead to fast party ecto drops is now gone, with the changes to UW SF Sins aren't as effective meaning a lack of farming there... shouldn't the prices be up now? Anyone other than me think ANet needs to do a little more to better limit ecto drops to help raise the prices back to around where they should be?
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Martin Alvito
Actually, the armbrace price hasn't moved all that much. Few ecto at most. The OP is pretty inaccurate about the state of the armbrace market - it was around 100k+15 to 20 ecto during the week prior to the Ursan nerf. It recently settled at around 100k+20 to 27 ecto with slightly more valuable ecto (4k vs. 3500 or so).
As others have noted, when you consider that the Ursan nerf disproportionately hit DoA pugs, the reasons for the shift are obvious. The uncertainty regarding the HoM update is probably already priced in; expect a decent sized spike in prices once the update is actually implemented.
As others have noted, when you consider that the Ursan nerf disproportionately hit DoA pugs, the reasons for the shift are obvious. The uncertainty regarding the HoM update is probably already priced in; expect a decent sized spike in prices once the update is actually implemented.
upier
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Originally Posted by fenix
Pretty sure saying Nerfsanway and Noobsanway doesn't make you cool. I stopped reading after the 2nd one, since I'm going to assume the rest of the OP is just as dumb.
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I really love how in this game using what is one of the best options (not just pre-change Ursan, but all other overpowered crap at any given time) makes you dumb.
It's pretty much - you suck for being the most powerful that you can be! And I don't suck because my build sucks!
viper11025
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Originally Posted by Dr Strangelove
Guild Wars has an economy?
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Back to the subject, Quit QQing.........
things are going to do this....
look at ecto like oil and Anet like the actual oil instead of the oil providers......
we the GW players are it's drillers and diggers.
*Rant* So.........the solution to all your woes will come to pass however, more people must quit abusing UW.......or quit the game all together. When WoW, and Diablo 3 hit the floor, expect a ripple. When Warhammer Online hits, expect a wave!!
Get ready, I plan on using a boogie board!"Experts can prattle on about money and economic theory all they want, but let's face it, we are the economy"
drago34
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Originally Posted by Dr Strangelove
Guild Wars has an economy?
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viper11025
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I know, I'm trying to soak that idea up too.
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>.<
Oh...well.
(May be my post was not so "wisdom" and more like "obvious")
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nekopowa
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Originally Posted by Joseph Rejekt
I'm curious as to why it is that ectos are still so low yet people are trying to ask 10-20 MORE ectos since Nerfsanway on Armbraces. Before Noobsanway was big, Armbraces dropped to +10-15 ectos then after noobsanway became big AND ectos dropped, they went up to around +20-25... now people are asking +35 to +45? Maybe I'm ranting but it doesn't make sense. With Nerfsanway gone, killing through UW which would lead to fast party ecto drops is now gone, with the changes to UW SF Sins aren't as effective meaning a lack of farming there...
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Mykaal Avalon
When will people realise that ectos were never meant to be used as currency just like the other mats. Obviously with the 100 plat trade limit we need to use mats for high end items.
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If we are then we need to keep an eye on our stock value. It doesnt matter what an ecto is valued at. If an item is worth 200k and ectos are at 4k then thats 100k +25e. If ectos are at 5k then its worth 100k +20e.
The only thing that changes are the items you can exchange ectos for ie Obby Armour and Chaos Gloves.....NOTHING ELSE.
And for people who are buying up stocks of ecto cheap then QQing when the price goes down........you need to quit high end trading, or at least keep a closer eye on your stock value.
Personally I belive the plat trade limit should be lifted to 500k and the problem is solved.
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If we are then we need to keep an eye on our stock value. It doesnt matter what an ecto is valued at. If an item is worth 200k and ectos are at 4k then thats 100k +25e. If ectos are at 5k then its worth 100k +20e.
The only thing that changes are the items you can exchange ectos for ie Obby Armour and Chaos Gloves.....NOTHING ELSE.
And for people who are buying up stocks of ecto cheap then QQing when the price goes down........you need to quit high end trading, or at least keep a closer eye on your stock value.
Personally I belive the plat trade limit should be lifted to 500k and the problem is solved.
FengShuiDove
Because it's harder to farm DoA without the uber leet Ursan PUG. I... don't understand why you wouldn't get that less ease = slower times = less supply = greater price.
The ecto costs hardly matter, as folks are going to ask the same for an Armbrace anyway.
The ecto costs hardly matter, as folks are going to ask the same for an Armbrace anyway.
Pleikki
Meh, armbraces was 100k +stack of ectoe..
Ectos were 14k/ea
Ectos were 14k/ea
Kusandaa
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Meh, armbraces was 100k +stack of ectoe..
Ectos were 14k/ea |
I do recall, however, the insane amount armbraces reached when DoA was introduced. One of my guildies farmed DoA and said that the prices had gone down from 100k to 75k... for one Titan gem. I've never made the calculation, but the price was ridiculous.
100k+15-30e is a balanced price for the items - easy, rewarding sales, yet not too bad if you wanna buy one anyways.
What I don't understand is that people complain about the economy. I remember when I was in high-school and we were talking about the general economy - what was considered good and bad economies.
A bad economy is where the average people can't even afford basic things: view max armor and max weapons like bread, milk, etc. Remember when sup vigor runes were 90k+ and most people couldn't even dream of affording one, let alone affording a +30hp sword mod? Now that was bad.
A good economy is when the average guy can buy the basic stuff, and some vanity things. Like it is now.
I dunno how you people who complain you can't make money anymore in this game... never made money that fast; since this economy's been relatively stable.
Pleikki
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Originally Posted by Kusandaa
Don't personally recall that. DOA came out way after I had my necro's FoW armor (I got it Jan. or Feb. 2006, I'm still searching for the DoA implementation date) and I bought my ectos at 8.5k-9k each, which was a drop from the prices before (I recall them being at 12k-ish at some point).
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R.Shayne
All I am seeing is, “My ecto isn’t worth anything crying thread.” Want to know why your ecto is not 17k anymore? Look up supply vs. demand.
Any of the old timers can tell you they have already decreased the drop rate of ecto, I can remember when a smite run could equal six to eight ecto per run and your only chance of failing was if you lost connection. While 55 had unlimited access to all the ecto they could farm the price of ecto was at its highest, again look up supply vs. demand.
I say just close the thread, I am tired of listening to all the crying.
Any of the old timers can tell you they have already decreased the drop rate of ecto, I can remember when a smite run could equal six to eight ecto per run and your only chance of failing was if you lost connection. While 55 had unlimited access to all the ecto they could farm the price of ecto was at its highest, again look up supply vs. demand.
I say just close the thread, I am tired of listening to all the crying.
Dante the Warlord
Armbraces are going to either increase in value or sell lightning fast when the HoM update rolls around. Im hoping its next month, but many times speculation is false. Either way, Armbraces are a good market to invest in 
Amnel Ithtirsol
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Originally Posted by Dante the Warlord
Armbraces are going to either increase in value or sell lightning fast when the HoM update rolls around. Im hoping its next month, but many times speculation is false. Either way, Armbraces are a good market to invest in
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So delete thread before more people find out.
DarkGanni
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Originally Posted by Joseph Rejekt
Anyone other than me think ANet needs to do a little more to better limit ecto drops to help raise the prices back to around where they should be?
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People cry about ecto prices because they are used for trading, I don't see players crying about sapphire and ruby prices or other rare materials when it goes down.
Pleikki
Well Ectos are aswell used for chaos cloves and obsidian armors, and poor ppl cant afford em so they cry for it
Dante the Warlord
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Sorry to be rude but WHAT EXACTLY makes you think ecto prices should have a "fixed" price?
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If anything, the people who bought diamonds when the prices were at 7k each are the ones who should truly be QQing since those are worth barely 1k anymore. Onyx that was sought after before the update is now barely worth anything.. Ectos are just like these materials,. You might as well be saying keep buying ectos from the material trader to increase their prices. There is no way to stop supply and demand... As soon as Guild Wars 2 starts, get ready to see an extreme deflation in everything as much of the community ships out...
What im confused about is why obsidian shards aren't worth more. They are obviously harder to farm now and there are more people running UW HM then FoW HM, if anyone actually succeeds anymore..
Joseph Rejekt
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Originally Posted by fenix
Pretty sure saying Nerfsanway and Noobsanway doesn't make you cool. I stopped reading after the 2nd one, since I'm going to assume the rest of the OP is just as dumb.
Ecto went up because of the nerf, so less supply. Armbraces went up because HoM will have Torment soon. |
With that said, those of you who actually "answered" my questions I thank you. For those of you who were more wanting to spout off about me apparently QQing when I honestly brought up a valid question on a couple things and hadn't had the opportunity to investigate what was going on with the what and the why well, you all obviously showed the kind of character and the people that you all are. Now that I've gotten my answers, this thread can be closed.
Snow Bunny
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Originally Posted by Dr Strangelove
Guild Wars has an economy?
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Pleikki
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Originally Posted by Dante the Warlord
You might as well be saying keep buying ectos from the material trader to increase their prices.
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munky
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Originally Posted by Joseph Rejekt
In reguards to the quote there, I don't say nerfsanway and noobsanway to sound "cool" I say it as a voice of displeasure for Ursanway in general.
With that said, those of you who actually "answered" my questions I thank you. For those of you who were more wanting to spout off about me apparently QQing when I honestly brought up a valid question on a couple things and hadn't had the opportunity to investigate what was going on with the what and the why well, you all obviously showed the kind of character and the people that you all are. |
so ya go QQ some more about your ecto stacks.
also why they have not gone up yet might be due the fact that they where used in high end trades as currency, with the price drop people finally got that it was an investment. in that they went up and down, so really expecting your stack of ectos to hold value of a very long time is kinda funny. I mean really do you put that much money into something, lose it, then not feel like blaming something besides your poor investment?
Kusandaa
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Originally Posted by Snow Bunny
No, Guild Wars has some kind of Russian communism going on. Everything's cheap, except for like 4 items that only 2 people can afford.
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This community is hopeless in general. I know you can't make everyone happy but isn't there some sort of middle? >_>
Snow Bunny
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So what should the economy be then? I mean, getting everything to expensive levels only fits the uber-rich ones, making a lot of stuff available to people is communism...
This community is hopeless in general. I know you can't make everyone happy but isn't there some sort of middle? >_> |
But, no, not really.
Kusandaa
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Yes. Make it PvP all over the place SO I CAN KILL YOU TAKE YOUR LOOT AND LAUGH AT YOU FROM MY COMPUTER SCREEN.
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What does the mass want to see from the economy?
- Seems they don't want fixed price;
- They want 1337 skins to remain 1337, thus expensive;
- The masses QQs when something drops in price;
- But if it goes up in price it doesn't become affordable anymore, thus more QQs from the community;
- The people who get more money are frowned upon for being scammers (powertraders), dupers or (skill-less) farmers;
- The ones who don't have money are considered n00bs;
- If you don't like something you're automatically jealous because it's apparently too expensive for you;
- If you like something, lol its fugly u nub;
- The casual people want either nothing, or everything on a silver platter.
That's what I get about the general community, about the game's economy. Contradictory stuff.
Joseph Rejekt
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sorry but as soon as you say stuff like noobsanway, you lose the lil bit of respect I gave you for being a stranger and not knowing better.
so ya go QQ some more about your ecto stacks. also why they have not gone up yet might be due the fact that they where used in high end trades as currency, with the price drop people finally got that it was an investment. in that they went up and down, so really expecting your stack of ectos to hold value of a very long time is kinda funny. I mean really do you put that much money into something, lose it, then not feel like blaming something besides your poor investment? |
BenjZee
please stop saying noobsanway its making me loose respect for you each time. No doubt the prices of ambraces will rise but as alot of people are stocking up on them now i think it might not make much difference. Ectos rise and fall you just have to accept it, it make take awhiel to 'stabalise'. Whos to set a price for ectos anyway?
Kusandaa you bring up some good points Especially about own opinions, hey i don't like the look of some so called uber weapons and i expect alot of people have the same views. likewise i love some basic skins
Kusandaa you bring up some good points
Especially about own opinions, hey i don't like the look of some so called uber weapons and i expect alot of people have the same views. likewise i love some basic skins
Joseph Rejekt
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Originally Posted by SmithyBen
please stop saying noobsanway its making me loose respect for you each time. No doubt the prices of ambraces will rise but as alot of people are stocking up on them now i think it might not make much difference. Ectos rise and fall you just have to accept it, it make take awhiel to 'stabalise'. Whos to set a price for ectos anyway?
Kusandaa you bring up some good points Especially about own opinions, hey i don't like the look of some so called uber weapons and i expect alot of people have the same views. likewise i love some basic skins |
Jenn
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I could give a rat as far as whether or not you have any respect for a "stranger who doesn't know better". Not my fault that everyone noobed out and wanted to use nothing but Ursanway to do anything and everything in the game, thus why I call it Noobsanway. Makes absolute perfect sense. Then again, I'm guessing you're one of the ones who LOVED exploiting it for all that it was worth and probably QQ'ed over the fact that it was nerfed anwyay so I forgive you. The continued criticism is unnecessary considering it was a simple question of what and why that I was looking to get some answers to. Why the ectos still low? Market flooded with them yada yada got it. Why the armbraces? HoM and Tormented Weapons yada yada got it. The part about ANet and taking measures, something to stir the pot a bit and get some opinions as well. But I'll let people like you who have nothing better to do other than criticize and critique do what you gotta do to feel better and get you through your day. As I said, I got what I wanted and I thank those who were cool enough to answer said things without being asnine about it. Besides, if you have a problem with people and what QQ'ing they are apparently doing, click that back button there on the top left hand corner of your browser and head to the next forum that might be of better interest to you rather than wasting the time of others.
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Second.... the other folk do have a point. You are a joke insulting others about their choice of build because it provides no proof to your quality of playing. When you can prove to us you are in the 5% of the GW population that doesn't suck, you might be entitled to using words like "noobsanway." For now, your retorts sound like they're coming from someone who is 15 years old, or younger (but let me guess, you don't care, and you forgive me for saying that, right?).
As for the main point of this thread, I don't think the armbraces will stay at an "artificially" high price. The prices of Armbraces used to be driven by the supply/demand of gems, and how successful people were at completing DoA. When Armbraces were first being crafted, people could charge 100k+e for a Titan gem, which is why Armbraces were like 200e.
Despite the panick of the Tormented Weapon HoM update, I don't think the price of Armbraces will rise that much (and stay there). People will realize soon enough that gems are still as easy as ever to farm, and that will calm the price down. Yeah, even though Ursan was nerfed, we all know there's going to be a new and equally effective metaway that most players will still be able to do. The beauty of Guild Wars is that after mastering the initial skill to do something, after a while 70% of it becomes button-mashing.
munky
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I could give a rat as far as whether or not you have any respect for a "stranger who doesn't know better"
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I'm guessing you're one of the ones who LOVED exploiting it for all that it was worth and probably QQ'ed over the fact that it was nerfed anwyay so I forgive you.
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The continued criticism is unnecessary considering it was a simple question of what and why that I was looking to get some answers to. Why the ectos still low?
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