Kyosuki
Itokaru
GWEXTREEMFAN
Keekles
Bowstring Badass
snaek
Charlotte the Harlot
petrorabbit
GourangaPizza
Kyosuki
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Originally Posted by Kyosuki
(not the basic golden phoenix,horns of ox(or shock),spider one),
 I see,well I find this really weird,first of all,"Assassin's/Rogue/Bugler's" class in RPG's usually have the stealth ability,which GW dosnt have,butat least they had shadow step skills,and now they remove it -_- Basically now,a Assassin is just a speed machine
Keekles
Aftercast perhaps was not the way to solve shadowsteps, but they were to begin with a horribly broken mechanic. I agree that izzy has done a piss poor job at skill balancing, but shadowsteps were a broken mechanic when they were introduced, and now are still broken but allow protective measures to be taken.
-Lotus-
Shadom stepping is a stupid game mechanic in the first place. they should just remove it and rework all the skills...
Tyla
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Originally Posted by Keekles
Aftercast perhaps was not the way to solve shadowsteps, but they were to begin with a horribly broken mechanic. I agree that izzy has done a piss poor job at skill balancing, but shadowsteps were a broken mechanic when they were introduced, and now are still broken but allow protective measures to be taken.
/Agreed.
Anyway, on to the topic at hand, I personally like this: [aura of displacement][bull's strike][falling lotus strike][twisting fangs][golden phoenix strike][blades of steel] The only problem is the usage of Bull's Strike. I'm sure you could replace something or add something as a knockdown instead though. Maybe like this? [aura of displacement][golden phoenix strike][twisting fangs][iron palm][falling lotus strike][blades of steel] iunno...
Kyosuki
The 2nd build looks nice,only it's gonna be hard to spread points into Deadly,Critical Strike,Dagger and Shadow(for Feignede Neutrality)
Tyla
The damage from Iron Palm is only small, so there's not much point in attribution.
If you need extra energy, don't use radiants. Use +5E daggers, if that's not enough, zealous, if that's not enough, try a different build or add an energy management skill.
Bobby2
My energy is 40 of 40!
(yes, with daggers )
Tyla
Yes, that's the only problem with most Assassin builds.
 Erm... Maybe use Way of the Lotus?
Luminarus
The retarded thing about AoD is that its elite, and has an after cast, whilst beguiling haze doesnt (and has a more devastating effet for only 5e more), and shadow fang doesnt either.
Make all shadowsteps fail 50% with <4 crit strikes. Instagibs are pretty much all but dead, so the only thing that needed the after cast was the dervs/wars/eles. Tyla
Wait, so it is a stupid mechanic on Dervs, Warriors and Eles but not on Assassins?
Get real please. -Lotus-
Its a stupid mechanic compleatly. no build with a shadow step has been good but not imba. It cant be balanced, I would love to see the entire mechanic removed.
Bowstring Badass
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Originally Posted by -Lotus-
Its a stupid mechanic compleatly. no build with a shadow step has been good but not imba. It cant be balanced, I would love to see the entire mechanic removed.
Stupid mechanic yes. But making an elite that was not used much compared to [shadow prison] have an aftercast is dumb. I can understand an aftercast on the non-elite shadow steps.
All they really need to do is remove the aftercasts on the elites. Because the only thing that uses assassin elites most of the time is an assassin. Tyla
So because it's an Assassin it's not a broken mechanic?
It doesn't matter who uses it, it's still a stupid mechanic.
N1ghtstalker
remove aftercast on elite shadowsteps
keep it on normal shadowsteps idea?
RavagerOfDreams
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Originally Posted by Tyla
So because it's an Assassin it's not a broken mechanic?
It doesn't matter who uses it, it's still a stupid mechanic. argument over yeye.
Bowstring Badass
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Originally Posted by N1ghtstalker
remove aftercast on elite shadowsteps
keep it on normal shadowsteps idea? Yeah most of the shadows steps being used on other classes were the non-elites such as shadow walk and deaths charge.
Bobby2
ANet won't fix it. More adapting, less whining please.
Bowstring Badass
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Originally Posted by Bobby2
ANet won't fix it. More adapting, less whining please.
They are to busy just making everything crap.
Seriously comeback with something other then this bullshit. -Lotus-
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Originally Posted by Bowstring Badass
Yeah most of the shadows steps being used on other classes were the non-elites such as shadow walk and deaths charge.
they were using non-elites because they didnt have to use the elite versions. if they need to use the elite versions they will.
snaek
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Originally Posted by -Lotus-
they were using non-elites because they didnt have to use the elite versions. if they need to use the elite versions they will.
most non-sins rely on their elite attack skill to do kikass dmg
(except maybe during the short lived [pious assault]) sins were using elite shadowsteps cuz elite dagger attack skills were crap for spike chains [wounding strike] > [golden skull strike] + [moebius strike] + [shattering assault] + [temple strike] combined
Bowstring Badass
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Originally Posted by -Lotus-
they were using non-elites because they didnt have to use the elite versions. if they need to use the elite versions they will.
No hammer war is going to give up dev/magehunters for an elite shadow step. Wounding strike is to good on a derv to give up. What well a mes do with it possibly use it with black out? Honestly buffing the elites wouldn't do much harm. Might even get sins back in the meta but all know how much Izzy loves the meta.
RavagerOfDreams
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Originally Posted by Bowstring Badass
No hammer war is going to give up dev/magehunters for an elite shadow step.
No you don't get it. A lot of shadow step abuse came from shadow step -> wearying strike on 3-2-1's to provide deepwound w/o giving away who the target is. If they removed the aftercast on the elite shadow steps people would use them again just for that reason.
zling
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Originally Posted by RavagerOfDreams
No you don't get it. A lot of shadow step abuse came from shadow step -> wearying strike on 3-2-1's to provide deepwound w/o giving away who the target is. If they removed the aftercast on the elite shadow steps people would use them again just for that reason.
ummm... what?
Rhamia Darigaz
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Originally Posted by petrorabbit
I'm sorry, I'm trying to see the positives of his method but end up agreeing with you. He really does need a new job, and I hope he never touches GW2. |
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Originally Posted by RavagerOfDreams
No you don't get it. A lot of shadow step abuse came from shadow step -> wearying strike on 3-2-1's to provide deepwound w/o giving away who the target is. If they removed the aftercast on the elite shadow steps people would use them again just for that reason.
i dont think people used d/a's with AoD+wearying strike...
and i don't blame them. wounding strike is better and wearying strike = avatar of melandru on your bar. forget that i'm dumb. a/d's with assassin's remedy. -Lotus-
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Originally Posted by Bowstring Badass
No hammer war is going to give up dev/magehunters for an elite shadow step. Wounding strike is to good on a derv to give up. What well a mes do with it possibly use it with black out? Honestly buffing the elites wouldn't do much harm. Might even get sins back in the meta but all know how much Izzy loves the meta.
you apparently dont remember 3 warriors appearing on your backline and spiking down one of your monks. if people dont have their elite attacks they are going to spike the same target.
RavagerOfDreams
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Originally Posted by zling
ummm... what?
PvP tactic
Spike groups would use a assassin with a shadow step and [assassins remedy] +[wearying strike] to provide deepwound on spikes. This was the safest way to apply deepwound as they couldn't preprot the target based on frontline movement.
GourangaPizza
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Originally Posted by Rhamia Darigaz
it sounds like you think izzy shouldn't make gvg his top priority when balancing skills.
due to the fact that balance is most important in competitive gameplay and gvg is the most competitive format in gw, i have to disagree with you. Sure it maybe the most competitive but 1 skill being imba in a pvp format doesn't equate it being imba in the other. Take [Hidden Caltrops] for an example, it is almost near imba in controlled environments such as TA and a single kill = a huge advantage over opponent's team. However in AB, it's usability drops dramatically due to the emphasis on mobility and scores are hugely dependent on shrine capping. The nerf hardly had any effect on me since I usually shadowstep to a dummy target and go for his/her mate instead. And it works well almost all of the time since most monks fall for this trick. Tyla
Shadowstepping is an inherantly broken mechanic in the first place, in any type of PvP.
.Cookie.
Why would you use AoD when you can you Backbreaker?
fireflyry
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Originally Posted by Tyla
Shadowstepping is an inherantly broken mechanic in the first place, in any type of PvP.
End thread really.
Any game that has tried a mechanic of this type has found it to fail, for good reason. Check out the effect Stalkers had on the City of Heroes PvP meta with the "stealth" mechanic or WoW back in the day when 50% of the PvP meta were stun-lock Rogues. The only mistake Anet made was allowing shadow-stepping in the first place, on a class that could insta-gib, and restricting it to the class won't really solve it's brokenness. It's been a common error made by this generation of MMO's and they have all realized that, while fun for many, such mechanics are bad for the game as a whole. Anet seems to have finally realized the same. Tyla
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Originally Posted by fireflyry
End thread really.
I disagree, the topic at hand really has nothing to do with how broken a mechanic is if you ask me.
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