Please make report offline players available

Lord Zion

Lord Zion

Academy Page

Join Date: Aug 2005

Rio de Janeiro - Brazil

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I was in ToA and got in a UW SC PUG. The leader of the party charged everybody 850g for the conset, after the whole team paid him, he left. The team wanted to report the guy but he went offline on status so we couldn't.

I know some people might come here and say: "add him to your list and whenever hes online report him".

Yeah it could be done but as i said it was a PUG, everybody got pissed off because he couldn't be reported and left the team. I believe is much easier for GMs to judge a if a player is really a scammer if 7 people report him then if only one do it.

Thx for your attention.

Kerwyn Nasilan

Kerwyn Nasilan

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2007

WHERE DO YOU THINK

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The report option is flawed, and this kind of thing has been brought up multible time. And is 850 really worth it?

dilan155

dilan155

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2007

living room

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yes, by god yes they really really need to change the report thing. there have been many instances when a player has scammed etc ( not to me but my friends) and was unable to report him as he either went offline or set status as offline. Also as you pointed out the number reporting makes a different. in RA for ex you might report someone for leaving ( flist him then report later) but he wont be punished because your party members might not report.
so /signed

Orange Milk

Orange Milk

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2006

Ganking, USA

Retired

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It also stops and officer of a guild posting in the status announcement that everyone in the guild should report "so and so". It's set up for the report to be made right then and there, so no one else getting second hand info reports them, same reason you have to be in the smae district. They want the report from the horses mouth, not unofficail witness baseing their report on hearsay.

Yeah the report is flawed, but it has it protections too, atleast it's there, and to be honest, next time don't pay until:

A) Your in UW
B) The Consets have been used

Then if he leaves, eh your a man down, but not so much ripped off.

Dang that common sense.

upier

upier

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2006

Done.

[JUNK]

Heroes and hench do not scam.
It's your fault for playing with people.

Watch me not care.

de klootviool

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Mar 2008

Quote:
Originally Posted by upier
Heroes and hench do not scam.
It's your fault for playing with people.

Watch me not care.
i watch you not care, i also watch you coming up this thread and write some shitty reply.

GWEXTREEMFAN

GWEXTREEMFAN

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Nov 2006

in my house

N/A

W/E

+1 reason why i never play PUG parties

and yes change darn function

Lord Zion

Lord Zion

Academy Page

Join Date: Aug 2005

Rio de Janeiro - Brazil

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Quote:
Originally Posted by upier
Heroes and hench do not scam.
It's your fault for playing with people.

Watch me not care.
yeah smatazz do UW SC with heros and henchs!!!!

Omg... Some people are retarded...

HawkofStorms

HawkofStorms

Hall Hero

Join Date: Aug 2005

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Yes, you should be able to report people who are offline or in a different district then you. As it stands, bots, scammers, and foul mouthed jerks are able to easily exploit a loop hole in the system to avoid punishment. Such a loophole defeats the point of a report system.

And to anybody who goes "don't bother reporting people and suck it up," A.net added the report feature to be used (and to act as a deterent). It is not some pretty little decoration.

Lord Zion

Lord Zion

Academy Page

Join Date: Aug 2005

Rio de Janeiro - Brazil

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Kerwyn Nasilan
The report option is flawed, and this kind of thing has been brought up multible time. And is 850 really worth it?
no its not for the amount of gold, its for the attitude!

and besides that, do some math: 850x7= 5950

If he does that only 4 times a day its almost 24k daily which most regular player cant make only by playing the game.

If nobody reports him because he goes offline, he can keep doing this over and over, and get rich by scamming people and not beign reported.

upier

upier

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2006

Done.

[JUNK]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord Zion
yeah smatazz do UW SC with heros and henchs!!!!

Omg... Some people are retarded...
They are elite areas for a reason.
They aren't meant to be pugged.

What ...?

Painbringer

Painbringer

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2006

Minnesota

Black Widows of Death

W/Mo

Yeah I think it should be added but fear that PVP will abuse it. Lots of leavers with 30 seconds on the clock especially when you have an idiot runner etc... Also it may stop some syncs leavers so who knows

N1ghtstalker

N1ghtstalker

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2007

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anet doesn't give the possibility to enforce their rules
they should make the /report playername way go accross districts/towns/campaigns/status (offline)
/signed

duckboy

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2007

Duckboy

E/Me

what people are forgetting tho is that ANet can easily look at when the report was made and thus surely they can get the incident in a log of somekind. So if a guild were to 'pull together' to report an innocent player, then all Anet would have to do is see when the reports were made, and then see if they even had contact with them....which obviously they wouldn't have. whoever did have contact with them, surely the log would prove what really happened....i mean even msn has chatlogs saved to ur computer so surely Anet has a chatlog saving feature on their servers for reports :/

Elder III

Elder III

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jan 2007

Ohio

I Will Never Join Your Guild (NTY)

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get screenshots, then report him next time he comes online and send the screenies to Anet when you do report him - that's the closest to proving it that you will be able to do at this point.
Also - did you actually get the conset or not>

Kanyatta

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2006

Guildless, pm me

R/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord Zion
no its not for the amount of gold, its for the attitude!

and besides that, do some math: 850x7= 5950

If he does that only 4 times a day its almost 24k daily which most regular player cant make only by playing the game.

If nobody reports him because he goes offline, he can keep doing this over and over, and get rich by scamming people and not beign reported.
If I lost 850g to a scammer, I might be angry for about 3.8 seconds, but after that, I'd come to the realization "850g, I make about 100 times that amount guaranteed every month just from predictions".

Trust me, it's not that big of a deal, and if someone wants to make ~25k per day from scamming, it really doesn't bother me, because in the end, what did they really just take? Virtual money from virtual people. Go out and kill stuff for 20 minutes and you'll get 850g no problem.

Yeah, the report option has its share of flaws, but not nearly as much as skill balancing, so I'm not gonna complain.

Once Anet fixes their game so much that this is the greatest of our problems, we will truly be playing a great game, until then, I don't give a rat's behind about reporting.

/notsign

Sir Seifus Halbred

Sir Seifus Halbred

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2006

1. Hasn't there been many threads on this matter in Riverside? (mainly whines)
2. Doesn't ANET not really care for scams nor do anything?
3. You always take a risk when you are being ran somewhere etc

/notsigned

BabyJ

BabyJ

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2006

Illinois

SFG

Mo/

Quote:
Originally Posted by HawkofStorms
Yes, you should be able to report people who are offline or in a different district then you. As it stands, bots, scammers, and foul mouthed jerks are able to easily exploit a loop hole in the system to avoid punishment. Such a loophole defeats the point of a report system.

And to anybody who goes "don't bother reporting people and suck it up," A.net added the report feature to be used (and to act as a deterent). It is not some pretty little decoration.
You know you can still take a screenshot and report it the old fashion way. Just because they put it in game doesn't mean you can't send screenshots. Theres always been a report feature, anet just made it easier by adding it ingame. So unless someone is too lazy to take a screenshot and sent it, then yes, a player will "exploit a loophole" as you put it.

Koudelka

Koudelka

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2007

England

The Khaotic Empire (TKE)

Me/Mo

I've reported scammers, and Arenanet does nothing about them because it's not actually breaking the user agreement. Their stance on it is: "well it's your fault". Of course that was a desert run, a year + ago.

MisterB

MisterB

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Oct 2005

Planet Earth, Sol system, Milky Way galaxy

[ban]

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You can still report anyone. Just do it online, the old-fashioned way, at their website. I don't believe they take any action against scammers anyway.

www.guildwars.com/support

Ariena Najea

Ariena Najea

Silence and Motion

Join Date: Jul 2006

Buffalo NY

New Horizon [NH]

I lost 99k 900g from a scammer

Rather than coming here to complain about it (although the op has a good point that the report system should extend to offline players) I recognized the reason I lost the money was because of my own fault, not ANet's or anyone else's. I was in a hurry and not paying attention and got 100g instead of 100k in a trade. Big deal, tough luck, time to earn it back.

The best thing you can do for running/services is not pay until the section you are paying for has been completed. I often see people in Beacon's Perch complaining they were scammed by paying 1k in advance for a Drok's Run that never took place. If someone insists on getting the money first, and showing it to them (NEVER on the ground, in a trade window), find another service (optimal) or take your chances. When dealing with more professional players, you can agree to a fair "payment plan" for paying as you go.

For my running services from Kaineng to Lutgardis, I charge at the end of every mission, starting with Vizunah Square (most people I run are Tyrian/Elonian and getting to and completing Vizunah is quick and painless). If someone wants the rest of the service and won't pay, then I've wasted only a few minutes of my time, and they're out of luck because I stop running them right there. Not many people offer the service reliably, and if I come across such a scammer, I will be certain to let the other survivor runners here on Guru know.

In conclusion, there is no guarantee for either party that you will get what you pay for, or are getting paid for. The best thing you can do is minimize your risks.

Senrath

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2006

Halfway between here and there

Advanced Technology [CCCP]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Koudelka
I've reported scammers, and Arenanet does nothing about them because it's not actually breaking the user agreement. Their stance on it is: "well it's your fault". Of course that was a desert run, a year + ago.
It's listed as a punishable infraction on the Guild Wars website:
http://guildwars.com/support/legal/c...d_outcomes.php

Sweet Mystery

Sweet Mystery

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Aug 2007

Shadow Hunters Of Light [SHOL]

R/

Lots of reports never get action..... the obvious HFFF botting that goes on - report them and they are still there day after day botting away.... the abusive people in RA, the leechers in Aspenwood, the scammers.....

/report sends a report that sometimes may be looked at I think....and rarely at that thus not happening...

However

/signed for /report on offline and also just on the player name wherever they are....

Lord Zion

Lord Zion

Academy Page

Join Date: Aug 2005

Rio de Janeiro - Brazil

N/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kanyatta
If I lost 850g to a scammer, I might be angry for about 3.8 seconds, but after that, I'd come to the realization "850g, I make about 100 times that amount guaranteed every month just from predictions".

Trust me, it's not that big of a deal, and if someone wants to make ~25k per day from scamming, it really doesn't bother me, because in the end, what did they really just take? Virtual money from virtual people. Go out and kill stuff for 20 minutes and you'll get 850g no problem.

Yeah, the report option has its share of flaws, but not nearly as much as skill balancing, so I'm not gonna complain.

Once Anet fixes their game so much that this is the greatest of our problems, we will truly be playing a great game, until then, I don't give a rat's behind about reporting.

/notsign
you quoted me but i think you didnt read the first line:

its not for the amount of gold, its for the attitude!

Its not a complaint about the scamming its a suggestion to improve the report option. I dont care how much money you make on predictions or whatever, i can make at least double of that farming elite missions and areas.

Its really a shame and sad to read what you wrote. A player that doesn't care about people getting scammed, it really sucks, you really suck.

Another stupid thing you said is to compare skill balancing with this improvement im suggesting. Do you have any idea about coding a game? im absolutely sure you dont. The amount of hours the developers would have to spend on make the report option available when player is offline is at least 1/20 if not more of the hours they would have to spend to do a skill balancing. Besides that, skill balancing has lots of different opinions, so they would have also to decide what and how to do it, which would increase the hours of work on this subject.

Please dont post more of your stupid things here.

Div

Div

I like yumy food!

Join Date: Jan 2006

Where I can eat yumy food

Dead Alley [dR]

Mo/R

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord Zion
yeah smatazz do UW SC with heros and henchs!!!!

Omg... Some people are retarded...
Afaik, you can easily do UW with 2 people and 6 heroes.

And who cares? We know the report system sucks. Beating a dead horse isn't going to help.

Im in SPAMADAN

Im in SPAMADAN

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2008

2k09 - golden gvg days

[uMbO]

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THIS HAS BEEN SAID over TOO MANY TIMES, the rport system is krappy and flawed, SUCK IT UP BUTTERCUP, U LOST 850g GUD JOB, losing stuff aint gonna get you any attention, ive lost an emerald balde when they firstc ame out i lost around 100k+212ectos, to this day i still regret it but nobody else cares, theyll just say TOO BAD, and seriously u can DO UW AND FoW easily with the right heroes, go search it up ppl have posted threads about it.

/this thread is full of pve nubs gogo

P.S: every1 gets scammed ina while, everybody has bad attitude to scammers BUT CAN WE DO ANYTHING???? no, go beg to a GM

Lord Zion

Lord Zion

Academy Page

Join Date: Aug 2005

Rio de Janeiro - Brazil

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Quote:
Originally Posted by holymasamune
Afaik, you can easily do UW with 2 people and 6 heroes.

And who cares? We know the report system sucks. Beating a dead horse isn't going to help.
yeah and you send one hero do to pits, another one for wastes, another one for vale and after that flag them at the labyrinth to open the chest.

yeah sure... go ahead...

Im in SPAMADAN

Im in SPAMADAN

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2008

2k09 - golden gvg days

[uMbO]

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READ ITTTT PLZ and stop complaining! http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...ght=fow+heroes

Lord Zion

Lord Zion

Academy Page

Join Date: Aug 2005

Rio de Janeiro - Brazil

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Im in SPAMADAN
ive lost an emerald balde when they firstc ame out i lost around 100k+212ectos
yeah i agree, full of noobs, yourself is the first on the list.

Lord Zion

Lord Zion

Academy Page

Join Date: Aug 2005

Rio de Janeiro - Brazil

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Im in SPAMADAN
READ ITTTT PLZ and stop complaining! http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...ght=fow+heroes
Is it so hard to see im not complaining?

Im just suggesting an improvement to the game.

Have you done anything to, at least, try improve the game yet? I doubt.

glacialphoenix

glacialphoenix

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2008

Singapore

Royal Order of Flying Lemmings [ROFL]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Im in SPAMADAN
THIS HAS BEEN SAID over TOO MANY TIMES, the rport system is krappy and flawed, SUCK IT UP BUTTERCUP, U LOST 850g GUD JOB, losing stuff aint gonna get you any attention, ive lost an emerald balde when they firstc ame out i lost around 100k+212ectos, to this day i still regret it but nobody else cares, theyll just say TOO BAD, and seriously u can DO UW AND FoW easily with the right heroes, go search it up ppl have posted threads about it.

/this thread is full of pve nubs gogo
I personally smell troll.

Today I ran into a guy in Kaineng who got scammed out of his mini shiro and couldn't report because the scammer went off to another district. I'm agreeable to being able to report people who went off to another district or set their status to offline, but in cases like scamming, I do think sending a screenshot would be better.

MithranArkanere

MithranArkanere

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Nov 2006

wikipedia.org/wiki/Vigo

Heraldos de la Llama Oscura [HLO]

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Well, I agree that if someone has:
- Being in a party with you.
- Being in the same district at the same time as you.
- Traded with you.
- Wispered to you.

There should be a leeway of 5 minutes between you last saw them to report them, even if they leave or disconnect.

But not just anyone offline.

upier

upier

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2006

Done.

[JUNK]

This.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord Zion
its not for the amount of gold, its for the attitude!
Please dont post more of your stupid things here.
You ask for support in a matter that you think would improve the game and you think that the way to gain it is to INSULT everyone that doesn't share your view?

Yeah, that will work.
From the attitude you are showing here - I am guessing it's VERY much in your favor that the report system in GW is so flawed.

Jae Onasi

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2008

Lost Haven

E/Mo

I reported someone via the website one time for spamming a possible porn site just so Anet could check it out and deal with the problem if it was one. They said they were addressing it. Now, they might just have sent an automated response, but I still got one just the same. I haven't seen that person spamming the site again so I suspect they fixed the problem.

Sir Seifus Halbred

Sir Seifus Halbred

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by upier
This.

You ask for support in a matter that you think would improve the game and you think that the way to gain it is to INSULT everyone that doesn't share your view?

Yeah, that will work.
From the attitude you are showing here - I am guessing it's VERY much in your favor that the report system in GW is so flawed.
QFT

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord Zion
Is it so hard to see im not complaining?
It's easy to see that your just flaming and insulting people who don't agree with you or your opinion. Great job.

Zahr Dalsk

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Aug 2007

Canada

Quote:
Originally Posted by upier
Heroes and hench do not scam.
It's your fault for playing with people.

Watch me not care.
Exactly this.

Is the OP surprised at scamming? Unpleasantness is an inherent quality of the Pickup Group.

TheGuildWarsPenguin

TheGuildWarsPenguin

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2005

Los Angeles, California

Picnic Pioneers

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ITT we discuss why PUGs are bad for UW.

Yeah, why not.
/signed

DokkyDok

DokkyDok

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2007

Interested in finding one.

Mo/

You'd have been better off not sharing your UW PuG story.

But of course I'll /sign for the idea.

Hyper.nl

Hyper.nl

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Oct 2006

Defending Fort Aspenwood

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/signed x1000 to /report leavers in Fort Aspenwood.

Please.

Darkobra

Darkobra

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2006

Scotland

Type like an idiot, I'll treat you like an idiot

E/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord Zion
yeah and you send one hero do to pits, another one for wastes, another one for vale and after that flag them at the labyrinth to open the chest.

yeah sure... go ahead...
If you're not as skilled as the others to use heroes, fine. But if you absolutely must group with real people, don't cough up money until they do their part of the deal.

You can also still report with Support. That is, if it was that important.