No Pay for a Sucky Run. Get Over It.

We all use runners one time or another, but what about when they do their job badly? Usually if I hire a runner and it sucks I just don't pay him.

For example, I had some kid run me through the last mission in Nightfall. He has to go to dinner when Abaddon is half-dead. I'm preoccupied so I just wait until he comes back an hour later and he finishes. I don't pay him.

He /report's me and checks the "Leeching" box.

I had another guy run me through the mission to kill Shiro and the Lich in Nightfall. Kept messing up and using bad language, I know we all make mistakes but please practice before you waste my half hour. I don't pay him or her (seemed more like a shim) and they send in screenshots to ArenaNet.

This one time I had some French (probably Quebecois, considering my timezone) player run me through another mission. He could barely speak English and spoke in ALL CAPS CUZ DATS CRUIZE CONTROL FOR KEWL U GAIS, kept losing connection, etc. He lost connection just as Shiro (Imperial Sanctum this time) was at about a third health so me and this other guy go pre-nerf Ursan, team up with his now-masterless heroes, and win. Croissant McFancytits meets us back in the outpost demanding his 2K in all-caps broken Engrish. He /report's.

What I'm trying to say is, it's not nice to jip a runner, and you should only jip a runner if they suck or whatever, but stop wasting ArenaNet's time with your reports.

First of all, /report does nothing. The Leeching form only applies to people who join a low-end PvP game and go AFK to get points for nothing. So stop clogging up the server with four kilobytes worth of crap.

Second, even if you go to Support and send in a full-fledged description of what happened, screenshots included, ArenaNet doesn't give a crap. It's not that they just don't care, it's for a reason. They don't support running because they believe you should work your way through the game. On a purely technical level, you were there going through the mission too, therefore you contributed some way or another, whether it be screwing around killing the Flamingo or just there to bypass the loot scaling for the guy who's actually doing the work. Screenshots of a verbal agreement don't matter either; the player is expected to know better (for example, hey Jim, I'll give you 100K if you drop your Crystalline Sword on the ground so I can take a picture of it, then you can pick it back up again). I know some idiot out there is going to take those last four sentences to mean "ArenaNet doesn't listen to those reports because they don't believe in running and therefore want to punish the runners"; just don't listen to him.

I'm not trying to say "Jip runners because ArenaNet won't do anything about it", that's not the right thing to do. What I'm trying to say is "If you're a runner and your run sucked horribly and people don't pay you, don't clog up valuable server space and take up employees' time and spam me with your crap, because it's not going to do anything other than waste my time pressing [N] and typing your name in the box labeled Ignore".

And please, no flaming on the actual use of a runner, this thread isn't about whether or not people should skip/rush through the game.

Any thoughts?

I never pay runners, and when people run poorly, I try to demolish their ego.
Except for Guru runners and alliance runners.
You don't get rich running, and you don't get rich paying runners.

Use Guru Services.

There.

I pay if he finished it, as then he did what he said he would, when someone says "i can run you" he dont say will he succeed 100%, will he be fast etc, he just says hell do it, so if he does it, he has done his work.. lol i dont understand even myself what i just wrote

Here's an idea, if the runner sucks and you can tell pretty early on, just leave and find someone else.

If someone screws up a mission run just leave, it's that simple.

I would report you also.

If he actually does the job, I will pay, but if he just does like a half @$$ job and just afks or w/e I just leave.

He got the job done. You not paying is a leech.

I do have one question though... are you that impatient to not try the mission yourself without someone running?

Nonetheless, without the need of reigniting the Olympic Torch, if the runner gets the job done, even if it takes four hours or whatever amount of time, he/she deserves the amount of gold or whatever item requested.

How would you feel if you worked on something, finished and was told you wouldn't get paid just because?

I think this just answered the thread right here. You take the risk getting run as you don't know how the service will be. You also take a risk when running because you never know when some cheapo isn't going to pay you.

If you want something done, do it yourself or with guildies. Who waits around for an hour waiting for their runner through Abbadon when you can finish it in under 10 minutes with hero/hench?

if the job gets done......well the job gets done......if u dont say has to be done "fast" and the way YOU think it should be done then do it yourself and stop waisting the runners time too.......you hire a person, you should pay the person.....thats my thoughts.......if the job gets done then pay the man/lady.....if you dont want to pay then dont hire them in the first place.....because they are HELPING you not themselves.......

It quite literally does nothing other than waste four kilobytes of server space. Can you please explain why you would do this?

You'd be pissed off. But if you were told you weren't being paid because your performance was pathetic and barely sub-par, you should feel the need to improve.

This just proves my point even further. ArenaNet doesn't care if you get paid, as a runner, so if you do a sucky job and don't get paid, why PM me and force me to waste my time putting you in ignore and waste server space and manpower with your useless customer service form?

I have never stiffed a runner. Good, bad, or fugly, I pay what I agree to pay. Then again, I've never had a runner AFK on me, or get a half-run and leave party, or anything like that. Worst thing that's happened to me running was that I paid for a Guildie to get run from Beacon's to Drok's, and as soon as the runner got to Camp Rankor, he bailed. I finished the run to Drok's. No biggie...

Because kicking and screaming about an injustice makes you feel better on the inside.

Sorta like this threads purpose...

For my part, concerning that kid that headed off to dinner in the last mission in Nightfall. By hanging around and waiting for him to return, you agreed to allow that. As for the guy that ran you through the Shiro/Lich mission, he got the job done didn’t he? Did he not do what he said he would do?
In my mind these two examples are theft of services. You should be ashamed of yourself for not paying them.
As for the French guy, you are well with in your rights to not pay him. He disconnected. When ever that happens to me, I take a screen shot and save it incase the idiot actually does try and report it.
To answer your question; Any thoughts?: Yes. Others have hinted but I am going to say it out right. I think you are a thief.

QFT. if it's too slow or too sucky in your opinion: tell him and leave.
if he gets the job done, however slow or sucky, you pay the guy, or you're a leech, and should be reported so.

I'm going to have to agree with this post, even though I'd probably do what the OP did in the first two examples out of rage.

the only time i don't pay is if they dont complete it... obviously.
if they take a long time or its a shitty run, i wont pay the full price. but ill still pay something as they still completed it. you should pay at least something if they finish.

Never used runners, never will. I think running is one of the most ridiculous past times the community has come up with. If you must run yourself somewhere just do it yourself, borrow a friend's account or ask alliance friends to do it for you(you will ofcourse help them back when they need it). Asking money for consulate docks is also pretty embarassing imo, I'd never ask. Generally I find runners annoying if anything. Most GW last missions are piece of cake with proper setups and heros. Aba, Shiro et GDestroyer among the fastest to kill.

Anet does not make a stand against or for runners so you're pretty much on your own on either side of the deal.

I don't pay a runner if they do a terrible job, or if I'm feeling cheap, saving up, or if I find some habit of theirs ingame to be offensive.

When I see some guy offering runs and he has a retarded name, I take that run, even if I've already done the mission/area/etc, and then don't pay, just to teach him a lesson. And I let him know, that a name like X Leonidas X, is unoriginal and ought to be rerolled with something else. Then I /point, /laugh, and map away.