Fast D/W HM Raptor farming + W/D HM (pages 2+)

Nechtan Thaumaturge

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NERFED! The Aug. 6th change to Sand Shards has rendered this build unusable!

Attention, Warriors! For information on the W/D version of this build, check out the 2nd page of this thread and beyond, especially post #53.

Summary: This build combines Sand Shards, Whirlwind Attack, and the Raptors' Critical Defenses to create a cascade of damage that results in a one-shot kill.

[build prof=D/W name="Shard Bomb" desc="Scythe of Enchanting +20%" earthp=12+3+1 tactics=11 mysticism=6+2][Avatar of Balthazar][Sand Shards][Veil of Thorns][Armor of Sanctity]["By Ural's Hammer!"][Wary Stance][Whirlwind Attack][Mystic Sandstorm][/build]

This is the original build and the one I typically use. You rarely need Mystic Sandstorm, however, so feel free to replace it with another skill, if you so choose.

[build prof=D/W name="Shard Bomb" desc="Scythe of Enchanting +20%" earthp=12+3+1 tactics=11 mysticism=6+2][Avatar of Balthazar][Sand Shards][Veil of Thorns][Armor of Sanctity]["To The Limit!"]["By Ural's Hammer!"][Wary Stance][Whirlwind Attack][/build]

An adaptation by dark_slayer, this seems to be the simplest and most stable version of the build, and it's the one I'd recommend if you are just starting out with Raptor farming. Incidentally, you don't need more than the minimum rank for the PvE skills regardless of which build you choose.

Equipment: I use 70 AL armor with Windwalker Insignias, Superior Earth Prayers and Vigor and Major Mysticism Runes (you can probably get by with a Minor Mysticism, actually), and a Scythe of Enchanting +20%.

Video: FileFront or youtube (try high quality on youtube, it seems to look and run better)

Walkthrough: Once in Riven Earth, cast Avatar of Balthazar. Then, run to the mouth of the cave, stopping to get the Asuran Bodyguard Blessing if you choose. Before aggro'ing anything, cast Sand Shards and Veil of Thorns. Then, aggro the 20 or so Nestlings that aren't grouped with Rekoff, being careful not to let them get close enough to attack you -- the 33% speed boost from Avatar of Balthazar will allow you to stay ahead of them. When you have them all, activate Armor of Sanctity and allow the Nestlings to group up around you.

If you are using "To The Limit!", you'll want to hit it now. Delay a few seconds to allow the Nestlings to cast their Critical Defenses -- you can use the recharge on Armor of Sanctity to time the next action; when it has completely recharged, proceed to the next step (thanks, dark_slayer, for this idea). Next, hit "By Ural's Hammer!" and Wary Stance. Wait for Whirlwind Attack to charge -- you can help it along by attacking a single time (more than that can cause scattering). Then, activate Whirlwind Attack and watch the fireworks.



This should finish them, but occasionally you won't get Sand Shards to trigger enough times. This usually happens because some of the Nestlings didn't have Critical Defenses up; try delaying a bit longer. If the Raptors aren't dead, drop Mystic Sandstorm before the Nestlings scamper off.

Troubleshooting: Most of these tips will occur to you as you become practiced with the build, so feel free to skip this section. However, if you're having difficulties, you may want to read up.
You have to use a scythe, Sand Shards won't trigger for any other sort of weapon.
You can't kill the Raptor boss, Rekoff Broodmother, with this build, so it's generally a good idea to stay away from her. Also, avoid the adult Raptors that patrol in the area; the Lvl 25 Raptor Nestlings are the ones you want.
If you do aggro Rekoff, immediately run eastward. You should be able to break aggro and still have time to kill the Nestlings as well.
You need to gather at least 18 Raptor Nestlings to ensure a good success rate with this build.
Try to keep some distance between you and the Nestlings during aggro to avoid any chance of becoming trapped. Also, avoid walls, large rocks, and random dinosaur bones for the same reason.
If you get hit during aggro, you have a choice to make: either continue running until you break away from the Nestling that hit you, or settle down somewhere close by and let it catch up to you. The thing you particularly want to avoid is for a Nestling to hobble in just after you've killed everything and all your enchantments have fallen.
It's a good idea to hit Wary Stance during aggro, usually right around the middle, to help ensure no Nestlings hit you (and to build your adrenaline). Don't hit it right before you stop, because you'll be needing it soon after.
It's best not to target the Raptors because if you lose aggro on a targeted Raptor you may find that Whirlwind Attack doesn't activate because you're trying to attack something 50' away.
The duration on the various enchantments and Avatar of Balthazar just covers the period of time over which you will need them, so be quick about your aggro. If you aggro using the same route that I do, you'll generally find that you can only safely run about as far as the large rock near the eastern entrance to the cave.
If you habitually run for too long a period, you'll find that Avatar of Balthazar will run out just as you are hitting Whirlwind Attack, which interrupts it. If this is a problem for you, you may want to simply wait to activate Avatar of Balthazar until you are at the cave mouth.
If you aren't packing "To The Limit!", you may occasionally find that Whirlwind Attack doesn't charge quickly enough. Once you become proficient with the build, you'll find this usually only happens once every 20-30 runs or so. Use Wary Stance during aggro, as noted above, and attack while you are waiting for Whirlwind Attack to charge to prevent this from happening.
Finally, note that there is a 25% chance you'll hit any given Raptor that has Critical Defenses up. Given that, it's possible that you won't miss enough times to pull off the spike. This will only happen once every 20-30 runs or so, however, assuming you do everything right. If you brought Mystic Sandstorm, this is the time to use it. Variants:

[build prof=D/W name="Shard Bomb w/ KD" desc="Scythe of Enchanting +20%" earthp=12+3+1 tactics=11 mysticism=6+2][Avatar of Balthazar][Sand Shards][Veil of Thorns][Armor of Sanctity]["By Ural's Hammer!"][Wary Stance][Whirlwind Attack]["You Move Like a Dwarf!"][/build]
When you get some proficiency with the build and find you don't need to use Mystic Sandstorm anymore, you might want to try taking on the boss group as well. You can't kill the boss, but you should be able to get another 8-10 Nestling kills. The run doesn't take any longer, but it is significantly harder to do and somewhat less reliable as well. You will get more drops, however, and will break the 25-kill threshold needed to activate the various Asuran rewards.

The run starts exactly the same. However, once you've started casting Sand Shards and Veil of Thorns, you'll want to pan the camera right and target (via Ctrl+Shift-Click) Rekoff. The aggro is key. You'll want to head towards the boss group initially and aggro it. You need to get close enough to Rekoff to use "You Move Like a Dwarf!" on her, but then you need to move off immediately, avoiding Nestlings all the while. If you do this right, Rekoff will temporarily lose interest in you and stop following. This will allow you the opportunity to get clear, aggro the other mobs, and get the kills. Be aware that you don't have enough duration on your enchantments to aggro the whole cave typically; twenty-nine to thirty-one kills is about the most you can generally expect, although sometimes you get lucky.



As Rekoff moves back into earshot, knock her down again to allow yourself more time to pick up loot.

Finally, it's necessary to have either a Crippling modifier on your scythe or a fairly high Norn rank (I'd guess about 8) in order to ensure Rekoff stays crippled long enough to pull this off.

[build prof=D/W name="NM Shard Bomb" desc="Scythe of Enchanting +20%" earthp=12+3+1 tactics=11 mysticism=6+2][Sand Shards][Veil of Thorns][Armor of Sanctity][Wary Stance][Whirlwind Attack][no skill][no skill][no skill][/build]
If you want to run the build in Normal Mode, you'll have to drop Avatar of Balthazar. For that matter, you won't need "By Ural's Hammer!" or Mystic Sandstorm either. The last three slots are optional, but I'd recommed throwing in Pious Haste to run as far as the mouth of the cave, and probably "You Move Like a Dwarf!" (perhaps with A Touch of Guile) if you want to operate in proximity to Rekoff.

Notes and concerns: You can expect to make about 7k per hour with this build in general usage. When event weekends with special drops come around, however, the opportunity for profit expands significantly. Expect to pull in slightly more than one special drop per minute in this scenario.

There might be other places where this build will work, but you need to have a fairly large group of foes, approximately one for each level of the foe you're fighting. Also, they must have some sort of blocking stance or, even better, some blinding skill.

Credit: There have been many previously posted builds based on Sand Shards, usually as a D/Me with Signet of Midnight. I'm not sure who came up with that idea first, but this post by ubermancer is the earliest reference I can find on Guru anyway. More recently, sectar_vazel hit upon the idea of combining Whirlwind Attack with Sand Shards against the Raptors.

Thanks to dark_slayer for the ideas of adding "To The Limit!", using the recharge on Armor of Sanctity as a timer, and mandating the single attack to soften up the Raptors.

Lyynyyrd

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Brilliant!
Shards has always been an awesome skill.

Mr.Kotte

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Dude, you almost make me wanna get my non-existing dervish there.
Shouldnt it be possible to do it as X/D though? I mean arent there scythe attacks that could replace whirlwind attack, that wouldnt require adrenaline either?

Again, me likes

EDIT: I am interested in a video

Lyynyyrd

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr.Kotte
Dude, you almost make me wanna get my non-existing dervish there.
Shouldnt it be possible to do it as X/D though? I mean arent there scythe attacks that could replace whirlwind attack, that wouldnt require adrenaline either?

Again, me likes
Whirlwind Attack triggers Sand Shards on like 20 Raptors [assuming they're all blocking]... Scythe attacks only hit three.

W/D and D/W are the classes capable of doing this.

MrGuildBoi

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr.Kotte
Dude, you almost make me wanna get my non-existing dervish there.
Shouldnt it be possible to do it as X/D though? I mean arent there scythe attacks that could replace whirlwind attack, that wouldnt require adrenaline either?

Again, me likes I don't think so. Whirlwind attacks everything around you, scythe attacks hit 3 different enemies. Even with [Twin Moon Sweep] I don't think it would work. Maybe [Farmer's Scythe].

EDIT: lol, wok

CronkTheImpaler

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Very solid build brother. i love the concept and shard and sandstorm are GREAT skills. PLEASE get a video together. id definately like to give this a go. very cool stuff.



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Mr.Kotte

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Quote:
Originally Posted by MrGuildBoi
I don't think so. Whirlwind attacks everything around you, scythe attacks hit 3 different enemies. Even with [Twin Moon Sweep] I don't think it would wok. Maybe [Farmer's Scythe]. I was more thinking about a build with [twin moon sweep] then quickly followed by [eremites attack] (3/4 cast time) and [mystic sandstorm]

ALF71BE

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OP: You meant Earth Prayers amirite?

You only hit Sandstorm if they survive?

spun ducky

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I like this concept using mass blocking for mass aoe very good job to all involved in its design. I can already see many build variations and spots I need to test with this scenario.

Nechtan Thaumaturge

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Quote:
Originally Posted by ALF71BE
OP: You meant Earth Prayers amirite?
Yep, got that fixed now. Thanks for catching that.

Quote:
Originally Posted by ALF71BE
You only hit Sandstorm if they survive? Pretty much. It doesn't hurt anything to cast it everytime, though. Besides, if the spike doesn't quite finish them off, you won't really have enough time to react before at least some of the Nestlings get out of nearby range. It seems to me that my computer lags a fraction of a second when the spike works, by the way, so you might want to key on that. Once you get used to the timings involved, you shouldn't really need Mystic Sandstorm much, however.

Also, I'd agree that it's probably got to be D/W or W/D (anyone have any luck with that, by the way?), at least in Hard Mode, and this is due to the scattering more than anything else. Normal Mode sounds doable, though.

Thanks for the comments, everyone. I'll try to get a video together tomorrow

Warriorsrmint

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyynyyrd
Whirlwind Attack triggers Sand Shards on like 20 Raptors [assuming they're all blocking]... Scythe attacks only hit three.

W/D and D/W are the classes capable of doing this. Glad i can get my warrior doing it then =]

SkekSister

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Very cool, that's getting a go this weekend.

kicks66

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Is there any replacement for By Urals Hammer?

Freestyle Sijiam

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What about [Signet of Midnight] + [Epidemic] + [Sand Shards] + [Armor of Sanctity]? =)
Took an other IMS and some IAS may...

Shayne Hawke

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Looks awesome, but I can't get over it being so prone to failure if a raptor can just get in one D-Stab.

Abedeus

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SoM won't work, D-Stab + 2 seconds = bye bye.

Scarn

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Nice build. Good exploitation of enemies.

Onyx Blindbow

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if you were warrior/derv couldn't u cyclone axe + whirlwind attack for double hit of shards?

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"A+ Build with seal of quality synergy"

Mr.Kotte

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Onyx Blindbow
if you were warrior/derv couldn't u cyclone axe + whirlwind attack for double hit of shards? Read the [sand shards] description. Only works with a scythe

Metatail

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Well, following the OP guide I just filled some empty holes in my warrior's build. Came up with something like this. You may try getting the Mystic Sandstorm in there instead of Protector's Strike. However I find this build not "too" cool just because it includes some luck factor. Anyway thanks for something new. Cheers !

Defbuster

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Very Cool! Always good to see something outside of the box. A Video would be a nice addition.

Mr. Undisclosed

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Tried the build, seems like (for me at least) everything lives but just with a low amount of health. Dunno what I'm doing wrong I have everything set the way you said, just not seeing the instant skill effect at all =/

Nechtan Thaumaturge

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Shayne Hawke
Looks awesome, but I can't get over it being so prone to failure if a raptor can just get in one D-Stab.
You shouldn't have too many issues with Disrupting Stab (in fact you're kind of counting on it to charge your adrenaline via Wary Stance). Avatar of Balthazar, Sand Shards, and Veil of Thorns are pre-cast so there's no problem there. Armor of Sanctity is vulnerable, but since it's a 1/4 second spell, the window is pretty small. If you always cast it on the run while you are a few steps ahead of the Raptors, you should never get it disrupted. You won't have to worry about "By Ural's Hammer!" because it's a shout, and Whirlwind Attack is going to be protected by Wary Stance. Make sure you hit "By Ural's Hammer!" *before* Wary Stance and don't do anything but maybe attack while Wary Stance is up, because it will only cover one skill.

Mystic Sandstorm does get disrupted, although you can delay it for about half a second, or the amount of time it takes for the last Disrupting Stabs fall and the Raptors to decide to scatter. You'll lose some kills that way, but you're usually scrambling at that point anyway.

Quote: Originally Posted by Mr. Undisclosed Tried the build, seems like (for me at least) everything lives but just with a low amount of health. Dunno what I'm doing wrong I have everything set the way you said, just not seeing the instant skill effect at all =/ Three things I might recommend: First, delay just a bit longer before going for the kill. Count off three or four seconds between activating Armor of Sanctity and hitting "By Ural's Hammer!", then another two to three seconds between hitting Wary Stance and hitting Whirlwind Attack. The extra delay is often needed to give all the Raptors enough time to put up their Critical Defenses. Second, attack while Wary Stance is up (but before you hit Whirlwind Attack) and try to get one trigger of Sand Shards from your normal attacks. Third, make sure you're pulling as many Raptors as possible; I'd say 18 is the bare minimum, even with good luck, and you can grab as many as 24.

Quote:
Originally Posted by kicks66
Is there any replacement for By Urals Hammer? I used Mirage Cloak for awhile, but it's not as good. You cast it after Armor of Sanctity (ideally just after the first of the Raptors attacks you, but before the entire mob surrounds you). The insta-kills are harder to achieve without "By Ural's Hammer!", although you'll get an extra kick out of Mystic Sandstorm (plus the 50% blocking from Mirage Cloak helps to make sure that doesn't get disrupted).

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Metatail
[Warrior Variant;OQojEpV4KT5FmXdbrXAW7gGFdFA]

Well, following the OP guide I just filled some empty holes in my warrior's build. Came up with something like this. You may try getting the Mystic Sandstorm in there instead of Protector's Strike. However I find this build not "too" cool just because it includes some luck factor. Anyway thanks for something new. Cheers ! As warrior primary you might want to experiment with new [Defy Pain]

joshuarodger

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i don't know that a warrior would be able to run it properly due to the energy issues. [[wary stance] may solve that once you have the room aggroed but i just think it's a little too energy intensive for a warrior. and a warrior couldn't use [[avatar of balth], which actually serves as both extra armor and speed boost. a warrior's natural armor should make up for most of the armor lost from balth but maybe not all and you would need a speed boost still.

it could work but i don't think it would very well. nice job on working this out for a derv though.

EDIT: i didn't bother looking at the second page, so i wasn't aware that a warrior variant had already been posted i guess... interested to see how well it works though.

Bibblenorn

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I honestly can't get this to work... I'll be eagerly awaiting the video.

Khasar

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Quote:
Originally Posted by zwei2stein
As warrior primary you might want to experiment with new [Defy Pain] Agreed. that will make up for the armor lost from balths and I'm pretty sure that most of your damage comes from spamming [Whirlwind Attack] right? I would think you would want to avoid making that a 5 sec recharge.

Ariena Najea

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I haven't had time to try this out for myself yet, but this looks solid.

What if you change the elite to [ebon dust aura] to cause miss chance AND synergy with [armor of sanctity], with whirlwind attack this should blind nearly everything. I'm not too familiar with raptor farming, but if you still need a speed-boost, would simply using [pious haste] work?

Picuso

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The problem with EDA is that if you blind them, they can't crit you, so they don't refresh Critical Defenses, and you will be able to hit them with the scythe, making Sand Shards useless :S

Tender Care

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Tried out the build....works great, but.....a simple question: wht should raptor nestlings drop? except bones and not even max white/azure weapons??

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tender Care
Tried out the build....works great, but.....a simple question: wht should raptor nestlings drop? except bones and not even max white/azure weapons?? Make sure you're in HM. Then they drop things like golds, lockpicks, and dyes.

Lyynyyrd

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Khasar
Agreed. that will make up for the armor lost from balths and I'm pretty sure that most of your damage comes from spamming [Whirlwind Attack] right? I would think you would want to avoid making that a 5 sec recharge. You only use Whirlwind Attack once, and it triggers about 20 x 29 damage. (580)

Absinth187

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Just wow.

Looking forward to your video, OP.

Mr. Undisclosed

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So I got the hang of it Its fun to make them go boom!

Sir Pandra Pierva

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hmmm i like this build......may have to try the warrior one

TechnoSword

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im modifying the warrior build trying to take them out, but at about 25-30% health they scatter and i get maybe one or two kills am I doing something wrong?

Metatail

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[Rage of the Ntouka] actually lets you unleash your [Whirlwind Attack] right away without waiting for them to hit you and you are already taking 0 damage with these dervish skills on and Knight Insignias. The main issue with this is the fact that if they survive the damage spike they scatter right away which kind of messes up the purpose of this fast farming.

Bibblenorn

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I am having a problem with the scatter as well. I am only successful in killing some in 1 of 5 runs, and even then, I only kill a few and most scatter with 10% or so life left. I am running the dervish version. Any advice?

Nechtan Thaumaturge

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Video up, check the original post. Hope you like it!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bibblenorn
I am having a problem with the scatter as well. I am only successful in killing some in 1 of 5 runs, and even then, I only kill a few and most scatter with 10% or so life left. I am running the dervish version. Any advice? Assuming you're running 16 Earth Prayers and are getting Whirlwind Attack off before "By Ural's Hammer!" ends, I'd recommend checking the skill timings in the video; I'm guessing you're hitting Whirlwind Attack too early (that's what usually is the problem for me). Also, there's some more advice in post #24 that might be helpful.

Sometimes it doesn't work as planned, but assuming you aren't making any mistakes, you should be getting more like 4 out of 5 successes. Also, you can usually kill about half the Raptors with Mystic Sandstorm if the spike leaves you short.

EDIT: reworded