This forum is extremely frustrating and unwelcoming to new players. It is understandable that old players have seen a lot of changes to the game since its release. However, does that give ANY of you the right to be so dismissive of questions posed by new players or so judgmental in your responses? I've never actually posted here because I didn't feel the need to subject myself to such input from complete and utter strangers. I'm lucky I found a guild and alliance that is not only helpful but understands that at one time every player in a NEW player. Did any of you stop to consider that the reason you have so many gripes, complaints, and belly aches about the game is because you have forgotten that you were once new to the game and you too needed help at one time? Or did you all start out as perfect players who knew everything and were the gift to the gaming world?
I realize this thread will promptly be locked by moderators and/or I'll be trashed by the overwhelming majority of posters to this forum, but that says more about you than it does about me.
Frustration
stitchersflock
Pleikki
There are ppl that judge newbies, but there is also loads of ppl that like to help..
jiggles
I dont flame new people unless they use the word 'plz'. The majority of people on gwg dont flame new players, but if the answer is really obvious and you still need help getting it, maybe you deserve it?
stitchersflock
Obvious to whom? What is obvious to an old player is almost never obvious to a new player? So how exactly does that new player deserve to be flamed?
jiggles
If a new player asks where hes gotta go for a quest (for instance) when it quite obviously states in the tutorial that by pressing 'L' will show you. He deserves whatever he gets then.
kazi_saki
lol.
When I first started playing (early this year), I didn't know about the wiki until I re-read the manual and found the /wiki option. but that was only when I was somewhere near Frost Gate or some snowy place. GWwiki isn't obvious to a new player but I guess posters here kinda lost their patience after the 1st year of recommending the wiki
When I first started playing (early this year), I didn't know about the wiki until I re-read the manual and found the /wiki option. but that was only when I was somewhere near Frost Gate or some snowy place. GWwiki isn't obvious to a new player but I guess posters here kinda lost their patience after the 1st year of recommending the wiki
FlamingMetroid
I complain about the game because there are actually major problems with it, yeah
I pwnd U
Many of the questions asked are repeated questions or ones easily answered had the poster done a little more research. Just because you are a long time player doesn't mean you are safe from flames if you happen to ask a dumb question. It happens, not just newbies get flamed on here. It's just the way of the forums I guess.
Taixen
When I first joined I was never flamed, or treated like an idiot.
Just always check that there haven't been 30 threads already posted asking the same thing that you are.
People do understand that everyone has to start somewhere in game, but that's generally not an excuse for people who make a post asking something that's already been answered elsewhere.
There are alot of helpful people here at GwG and you'll find that alot of questions the new players have, have already been answered in existing threads
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Just always check that there haven't been 30 threads already posted asking the same thing that you are.
People do understand that everyone has to start somewhere in game, but that's generally not an excuse for people who make a post asking something that's already been answered elsewhere.
There are alot of helpful people here at GwG and you'll find that alot of questions the new players have, have already been answered in existing threads
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N1ghtstalker
i help newbs or i don't, the factor is determined by their stupidity
if you're running around in kamadan yelling to ask where the xunlai is i'll just /point and /laugh seriously
but others that need help with a build or something np
helped alot of ppl
i once found this new guy in kamadan, real friendly kid who just started on a necro 'n stuff
i gave him a woe spreader for free and he thanked me friendly
if people ask stupid questions they're bound to get stupid answers
if you're running around in kamadan yelling to ask where the xunlai is i'll just /point and /laugh seriously
but others that need help with a build or something np
helped alot of ppl
i once found this new guy in kamadan, real friendly kid who just started on a necro 'n stuff
i gave him a woe spreader for free and he thanked me friendly
if people ask stupid questions they're bound to get stupid answers
Lashley
Im a noob and alot of people helped me, nobody has shouted at me..
Rhamia Darigaz
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This game's community is extremely frustrating and unwelcoming to new players.
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it's an old game. most new people's questions can easily be found on one of the wikis. if you think "here's the wiki page <link>, use it next time and you can find answers for yourself" is a rude, unwelcoming response then you're wrong. it's a lot more helpful than "aww you're new? here, have a cookie. and to answer your question, yes, the max domage on a sword is 15-22. feel free to just ask game mechanic questions like that here, there may or may not be some resource with tons of information about everything in the game out there somewhere."
also,
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Or did you all start out as perfect players who knew everything and were the gift to the gaming world?
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nobody has shouted at me..
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I didn't know about the wiki until I re-read the manual and found the /wiki option.
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Faure
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lol.
When I first started playing (early this year), I didn't know about the wiki until I re-read the manual and found the /wiki option. but that was only when I was somewhere near Frost Gate or some snowy place. GWwiki isn't obvious to a new player but I guess posters here kinda lost their patience after the 1st year of recommending the wiki |
Shasgaliel
I think the best way to get flamed on guru is to post in builds section. If you add words "good build" success guaranteed and endless list of flames will appear within few seconds. However if you ask for advice and post your build then you surprisingly will get a lot of very nice and valuable input.
Odinius
Maybe you are only reading the discussion parts of the entire forum.
You must have had some discussions yourself at one time so you know that debate can heat up from time to time.
People post their findings here and expect others to place their opinion about it.
There are many different people on this forum and they all have a different thing to say so don't just look at all the trolls and flamers because they aren't even half of all the people on here and even they have a right to speak.
I don't see anyone calling people n00bs in the Q&A section, in fact the same people that flame or troll here are very helpfull to new players.
There is only a small portion that is really unreasonable but it's up to you to ignore that kind of members.
If you make a thread and expect everyone to post in a positive way (even is that means not speaking what they think) I suggest you move to the Hello Kitty forum where all is pink and fluffy (no offence).
All I can say is welcome to the forum and although we bark at everyone doesn't mean we bite (most of the time^^)
Make some threads and you'll see what I mean.
You must have had some discussions yourself at one time so you know that debate can heat up from time to time.
People post their findings here and expect others to place their opinion about it.
There are many different people on this forum and they all have a different thing to say so don't just look at all the trolls and flamers because they aren't even half of all the people on here and even they have a right to speak.
I don't see anyone calling people n00bs in the Q&A section, in fact the same people that flame or troll here are very helpfull to new players.
There is only a small portion that is really unreasonable but it's up to you to ignore that kind of members.
If you make a thread and expect everyone to post in a positive way (even is that means not speaking what they think) I suggest you move to the Hello Kitty forum where all is pink and fluffy (no offence).
All I can say is welcome to the forum and although we bark at everyone doesn't mean we bite (most of the time^^)
Make some threads and you'll see what I mean.
Free Runner
What the f*ck are you talking about.
The only time i ever see people dismissing new players is when they make a thread and/or ask a question that as already been asked 5 threads down. Or perhaps a question that like jiggles said, is so painfully obvious (Such as event info that is RIGHT ON the Guild Wars site - litterally a few clicks away) that it gives way to + 1 posts.
The only time i ever see people dismissing new players is when they make a thread and/or ask a question that as already been asked 5 threads down. Or perhaps a question that like jiggles said, is so painfully obvious (Such as event info that is RIGHT ON the Guild Wars site - litterally a few clicks away) that it gives way to + 1 posts.
EroChrono
My best advice would be to stay away from Riverside Inn when you need help, also because this forum is for discussion mainly.
Chances are good you'd find a warmer welcome if you post in forums such as the campaign specific ones (Prophecies, Factions etc). Or just the Q&A Forum.
If you need help and post it in Riverside, you better write a good, clean and thought-through post, otherwise chances are good people will flame you for it. Why? Because they can, it's as simple as that, how sad it might be.
Chances are good you'd find a warmer welcome if you post in forums such as the campaign specific ones (Prophecies, Factions etc). Or just the Q&A Forum.
If you need help and post it in Riverside, you better write a good, clean and thought-through post, otherwise chances are good people will flame you for it. Why? Because they can, it's as simple as that, how sad it might be.
wilebill
stitchersflock has a point. Many times new players feel uncertain and do not want canned information. They would like a live answer to their question.
So, do not refer them to the help files, post a bare link to a thread by way of response, or otherwise slap them with a cold fish ... after all what is more fun than being slapped with a cold fish than Maple Story?
I think at present more newcomers ask questions over on gamefaqs simply because amidst flames they also get some helpful answers.
I wish more newcomers would ask questions. By dang, it's so quiet on this forum you can hear the arteries harden!
So, do not refer them to the help files, post a bare link to a thread by way of response, or otherwise slap them with a cold fish ... after all what is more fun than being slapped with a cold fish than Maple Story?
I think at present more newcomers ask questions over on gamefaqs simply because amidst flames they also get some helpful answers.
I wish more newcomers would ask questions. By dang, it's so quiet on this forum you can hear the arteries harden!
Inde
For a new player... Q&A is an overwhelmingly lovely place to post and ask questions. Even basic questions such as "what are all the different professions in GW" with rarely a flame. In our Campfire section... well it's an opinionated place obviously. Best to do some research before stating your "awesome build that I always win with" before diving in. Riverside Inn is for general game discussion so if you do post a relatively frequent question it's going to get some bad responses as you are probably posting in the wrong section or really need to get more up-to-date on the game. We've tried to make sections for our new players obvious and tried to organize the forum to direct new players with those basic questions to the appropriate forums. Hence why Q&A and Tech Corner are the first forums you see.
It's also all about perception. Making grand claims, ranting or complaining, or refusing to do a bit of homework is going to bring in some bad responses. It's all about smart posting and educating yourself. Debates are fine, discussion is encouraged, but jumping in when you aren't sure of a subject in the areas where the veterans are trying to hold a constructive debate is naturally going to annoy some.
P.S. Wilebill, we have an extremely active Q&A forum that is very welcome to new players. It's not quiet in the least, might want to check it out.
And just to further emphasize this point, I went to a post at random in our Q&A titled "Help out a noob" and it's clearly positive and a very welcoming start to the game in our Q&A forum: http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10322114
It's also all about perception. Making grand claims, ranting or complaining, or refusing to do a bit of homework is going to bring in some bad responses. It's all about smart posting and educating yourself. Debates are fine, discussion is encouraged, but jumping in when you aren't sure of a subject in the areas where the veterans are trying to hold a constructive debate is naturally going to annoy some.
P.S. Wilebill, we have an extremely active Q&A forum that is very welcome to new players. It's not quiet in the least, might want to check it out.
And just to further emphasize this point, I went to a post at random in our Q&A titled "Help out a noob" and it's clearly positive and a very welcoming start to the game in our Q&A forum: http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10322114
Knight O Cydonia
As with most walks of life some people have time to help with peoples quesions, and some are just as*hats. Once you get used to guru you'll learn which posters actually know what they are talking about and then you can filter out the +1's / bad advice / trolls.
ScaryDrifter
I play an MMO to interact with people, not to further disconnect myself from them by 'going to wiki'. I use wiki if I must, but having conversations with helpful people and helping people when I can is part of the MMO experience for me. Why go and use a search engine when I can speak with a living breathing person?
Kusandaa
My own experience with this:
I started playing in July '05. Everyone was rather new at the game and people seemed more friendly. There wasn't a lot of elitism going on simply because there was not much to be elitist about... when you'd ask questions in-game and asked it well, you'd get a reply. I don't recall people spamming madly.
Today?
Guy #1: "CN U TELL ME WHN TEH EVENT STARTS PLZ???????"
Guy #1: "CN U TELL ME WHN TEH EVENT STARTS PLZ???????"
Guy #1: "CN U TELL ME WHN TEH EVENT STARTS PLZ???????"
Guy #2: "Look at the message when you log on."
10 seconds later:
Guy #1: "CN U TELL ME WHN TEH EVENT STARTS PLZ???????"
Guy #1: "CN U TELL ME WHN TEH EVENT STARTS PLZ???????"
Some tools aren't promoted enough, some aren't obvious enough and people WILL skip what's skippable - like login messages. Sometimes I just wish there was a bright red message saying "For more information, type /Wiki and the term you're searching for to access Guild Wars Wiki"... but it's still not obvious enough for people.
I hate netspeak, can't stand it. It sounds extremely childish to me and personally, it takes more time for me to type bad English than good English. I understand it's not everyone whose first language is English, myself included, but at least I make efforts to sound polite and not rude. If someone comes to me and asks me a question in heavy netspeak, I'll sound pretty cold. Use good English - or well, at your best - and I'll probably even start a convo on something else.
I do roughly the same on forums. Trolls are annoying most of the time though, and I stopped being surprised at the amount of topics that close after so many "+1!!!!!!" and "in b4 close". There was a decent topic on GW economy and it got closed 'cause of mass flames IIRC... I mean you can't even have decent conversations without a troll attempt, in which everyone acts like a sheep and eventually lead to the closure of the topic... and it's sad. That's why I barely create topics here; it'll most likely get people to troll or flame and I won't get any result because it'll get closed.
I started playing in July '05. Everyone was rather new at the game and people seemed more friendly. There wasn't a lot of elitism going on simply because there was not much to be elitist about... when you'd ask questions in-game and asked it well, you'd get a reply. I don't recall people spamming madly.
Today?
Guy #1: "CN U TELL ME WHN TEH EVENT STARTS PLZ???????"
Guy #1: "CN U TELL ME WHN TEH EVENT STARTS PLZ???????"
Guy #1: "CN U TELL ME WHN TEH EVENT STARTS PLZ???????"
Guy #2: "Look at the message when you log on."
10 seconds later:
Guy #1: "CN U TELL ME WHN TEH EVENT STARTS PLZ???????"
Guy #1: "CN U TELL ME WHN TEH EVENT STARTS PLZ???????"
Some tools aren't promoted enough, some aren't obvious enough and people WILL skip what's skippable - like login messages. Sometimes I just wish there was a bright red message saying "For more information, type /Wiki and the term you're searching for to access Guild Wars Wiki"... but it's still not obvious enough for people.
I hate netspeak, can't stand it. It sounds extremely childish to me and personally, it takes more time for me to type bad English than good English. I understand it's not everyone whose first language is English, myself included, but at least I make efforts to sound polite and not rude. If someone comes to me and asks me a question in heavy netspeak, I'll sound pretty cold. Use good English - or well, at your best - and I'll probably even start a convo on something else.
I do roughly the same on forums. Trolls are annoying most of the time though, and I stopped being surprised at the amount of topics that close after so many "+1!!!!!!" and "in b4 close". There was a decent topic on GW economy and it got closed 'cause of mass flames IIRC... I mean you can't even have decent conversations without a troll attempt, in which everyone acts like a sheep and eventually lead to the closure of the topic... and it's sad. That's why I barely create topics here; it'll most likely get people to troll or flame and I won't get any result because it'll get closed.
Gill Halendt
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stitchersflock has a point. Many times new players feel uncertain and do not want canned information. They would like a live answer to their question.
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This forum IS big. I know, there's a useful Search function. I know, there are sticky threads and guides. Yet it might not be that easy for a newcomer to browse through such a huge quantity of helpful information.
I know it's frustrating to repeat always the same things, but this attitude tends to put some people off, making those forums a bit unwelcoming. Well, at least that's how I feel, and I've been playing regularly since the very first day, so I'm no "noob" anymore and I've not that much help to ask for. Dear me, hope I never need to.
Flaming newcomers is mean, whatever their request is, for how stupid and obvious it could ever be.
Inde
While I certainly don't want any newcomer to feel unwelcome, there still needs to be maintained a sense of organization and flow to the forum. Which means that basic questions need to be isolated away from a build discussion, or a debate on the price of an item in game. Otherwise the sheer amount of information becomes even more overwhelming and serves to only further confuse and alienate forum members.
Is there a way we can point out more directly our Q&A section for newcomers? As moderators, I can tell you that I have to move at least 3-4 threads a day from Riverside into our Q&A section to keep out any negativity and allow other discussion to continue. Is there a title or section change that we need?
I would also challenge and encourage our veterans to stop by our Q&A section every once in a while to help out new players or those with questions. Just being able to run through a couple of threads and help out new players helps out everyone.
Is there a way we can point out more directly our Q&A section for newcomers? As moderators, I can tell you that I have to move at least 3-4 threads a day from Riverside into our Q&A section to keep out any negativity and allow other discussion to continue. Is there a title or section change that we need?
I would also challenge and encourage our veterans to stop by our Q&A section every once in a while to help out new players or those with questions. Just being able to run through a couple of threads and help out new players helps out everyone.
Miska Bow
Ctb
Ignore is your friend. The majority of people on GWG aren't worth talking to, none are worth arguing with. Judicious use of your ignore list will quickly excise the most childish posters from your view and greatly enhance your forum experience.
This applies to most of the internet, in fact.
While trying to enhance the system is always welcome, as a programmer, this seems to be a people problem, not a technical problem. It's not that the information isn't there, or its inaccessible (the contrary, compare GWG's structure to the WoW forum's structure some day. That place is a disaster and finding anything is a painful chore, while everything on GWG is pretty well and clearly fleshed out), it's that some people either a) can't ignore a question worth ignoring or b) can't just answer a question without lording their godly knowledge over other people.
I don't see how you're going to fix it through programming. The trouble the op is referring to is that many people are, simply, ass****s on the internet because it makes them feel big and tough. You can't fix that through code. Yet.
This applies to most of the internet, in fact.
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I don't see how you're going to fix it through programming. The trouble the op is referring to is that many people are, simply, ass****s on the internet because it makes them feel big and tough. You can't fix that through code. Yet.
Magikarp
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This forum is extremely frustrating and unwelcoming to new players. It is understandable that old players have seen a lot of changes to the game since its release. However, does that give ANY of you the right to be so dismissive of questions posed by new players or so judgmental in your responses? I've never actually posted here because I didn't feel the need to subject myself to such input from complete and utter strangers. I'm lucky I found a guild and alliance that is not only helpful but understands that at one time every player in a NEW player. Did any of you stop to consider that the reason you have so many gripes, complaints, and belly aches about the game is because you have forgotten that you were once new to the game and you too needed help at one time? Or did you all start out as perfect players who knew everything and were the gift to the gaming world?
I realize this thread will promptly be locked by moderators and/or I'll be trashed by the overwhelming majority of posters to this forum, but that says more about you than it does about me. |
glad you found a guild/allies though
Koudelka
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That's why I barely create topics here; it'll most likely get people to troll or flame and I won't get any result because it'll get closed.
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Guy #1: "CN U TELL ME WHN TEH EVENT STARTS PLZ???????" Guy #1: "CN U TELL ME WHN TEH EVENT STARTS PLZ???????" Guy #1: "CN U TELL ME WHN TEH EVENT STARTS PLZ???????" Guy #2: "Look at the message when you log on." 10 seconds later: Guy #1: "CN U TELL ME WHN TEH EVENT STARTS PLZ???????" Guy #1: "CN U TELL ME WHN TEH EVENT STARTS PLZ???????" |
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Aeon221
Uh, see, if you're playing an online game, you have access to the internet. If you have access to the internet, you have access to google. If you have access to google, you can google your question. If you google a question about Guild Wars, it will lead you either here or to one of the wikis.
If you can't figure that out, you pretty much deserve to be mocked until the existence of google is burned into your skull. Here, lemme try to illustrate the point I'm making.
Look.
http://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1...rs+help+a+newb
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&r...wb&btnG=Search
Unfortunately, searching for "Guild Wars help im a goddamn retard" didn't pop any good links.
If you can't figure that out, you pretty much deserve to be mocked until the existence of google is burned into your skull. Here, lemme try to illustrate the point I'm making.
Look.
http://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1...rs+help+a+newb
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&r...wb&btnG=Search
Unfortunately, searching for "Guild Wars help im a goddamn retard" didn't pop any good links.
Ferret Deathsquad
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I've never actually posted here because I didn't feel the need to subject myself to such input from complete and utter strangers. Did any of you stop to consider that the reason you have so many gripes, complaints, and belly aches about the game is because you have forgotten that you were once new to the game and you too needed help at one time?
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stitchersflock
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Uh, see, if you're playing an online game, you have access to the internet. If you have access to the internet, you have access to google. If you have access to google, you can google your question. If you google a question about Guild Wars, it will lead you either here or to one of the wikis.
If you can't figure that out, you pretty much deserve to be mocked until the existence of google is burned into your skull. Here, lemme try to illustrate the point I'm making. Look. http://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1...rs+help+a+newb http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&r...wb&btnG=Search Unfortunately, searching for "Guild Wars help im a goddamn retard" didn't pop any good links. |
Damian979
I'm sorry but I am just too busy getting my OMG UBER LEETZ obby armor,mask of the mo zing, and chaos gloves to go with my voltaic spear and tormented shield to bother with noobie crap.
jk agree with OP, too many people suffer from small lower extremity syndrome to admit that they were once new too.
jk agree with OP, too many people suffer from small lower extremity syndrome to admit that they were once new too.
Masao
I think most people assume that even new players have the intelligence to Google for an answer to their question, or Google for helpsites or Wikis.
Before I even started playing GW (About a year ago) I had already combed the Wiki for ways to get a jumpstart on farming, quests, armor sets, and general builds and uses for each class.
I know this shouldn't be expected of all new players but as long as there is Google there is no point asking questions when you can search for the answer yourself.
If I'm asked a question I'll answer but honestly if you have Internet access and can't be bothered to search for the answer yourself, you probably don't deserve it.
Before I even started playing GW (About a year ago) I had already combed the Wiki for ways to get a jumpstart on farming, quests, armor sets, and general builds and uses for each class.
I know this shouldn't be expected of all new players but as long as there is Google there is no point asking questions when you can search for the answer yourself.
If I'm asked a question I'll answer but honestly if you have Internet access and can't be bothered to search for the answer yourself, you probably don't deserve it.
snaek
u kno bak in teh day...
we had to figure most of teh stuffs ourselves
or use search engines to find any decent info
now u guys have wiki and pvxwiki and even a built-in-game help search
yet they still must have to have all teh answers given to them
they cant be bothered to go out and find out for themselves
regardless, i have no clue wut ur talkin bout
cuz most of teh topics in teh questions forum of guru still get answered pretty decently
in-game is another story
cuz annoying spammer beggar nubs r annoying spammer beggar nubs
we had to figure most of teh stuffs ourselves
or use search engines to find any decent info
now u guys have wiki and pvxwiki and even a built-in-game help search
yet they still must have to have all teh answers given to them
they cant be bothered to go out and find out for themselves
regardless, i have no clue wut ur talkin bout
cuz most of teh topics in teh questions forum of guru still get answered pretty decently
in-game is another story
cuz annoying spammer beggar nubs r annoying spammer beggar nubs
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Problem is, as a game matures, so do the fansites, long time gamers/posters have seen an unheard of amount of the same questions over and over, which leads them to either be frustrated themselves or simply stop visiting the site.
This seems like a rant thread, and it's even more directed at this website more-so than Guildwars.
stitchersflock
Yep you are right it is a rant thread. I'm well over the age of 20 and yet it is immediately assumed, by the type of individuals that prevent newcomers from feeling welcomed on this forum, that I cannot find answers via search engines or old threads. Problem with old threads on forums such as these is quite simple ... the game evolves and that means that the answers to my questions may or may not be answered by outdated threads.
I don't have any rants to direct at Guild Wars. I've only been playing since May and I have no cause for complaint. It was and is the game I was looking for and expecting. If I were unhappy with changes made by the game, I'd go find something else to play rather than whining.
I don't have any rants to direct at Guild Wars. I've only been playing since May and I have no cause for complaint. It was and is the game I was looking for and expecting. If I were unhappy with changes made by the game, I'd go find something else to play rather than whining.
Shadowhaze
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Indeed. That's what forums and the likes are supposed to be for. Redirecting people asking for help to the Wiki or any other help page makes most of this forum useless. Just put a link to the Official Wiki on the mainpage and get rid of most of the support forums, since most of the informations a player could ever need are there.
This forum IS big. I know, there's a useful Search function. I know, there are sticky threads and guides. Yet it might not be that easy for a newcomer to browse through such a huge quantity of helpful information. I know it's frustrating to repeat always the same things, but this attitude tends to put some people off, making those forums a bit unwelcoming. Well, at least that's how I feel, and I've been playing regularly since the very first day, so I'm no "noob" anymore and I've not that much help to ask for. Dear me, hope I never need to. Flaming newcomers is mean, whatever their request is, for how stupid and obvious it could ever be. |
And also agreed organization is necessary. Often I'll see a thread that's been posted before and then closed by a mod with the last post redirecting the op to the similar thread, which is great.
Some people are new and maybe have no idea on what/where to search for certain things (on wiki or forums) or are uncertain where they should post things (Yes, some are fairly self expanatory.
). It is possible. But it's also true, some just ask because they don't feel like searching. Either way, flaming and name calling isn't necessary.
Nightow
Stitchersflock, I see that this is the only thread you have posted in since joining Guru so I'm curious. What exactly has prevented you from feeling welcomed on this forum?
boarderx
have you seen how ppl act on here, its rediculous id be very hesitant to post anything too
stitchersflock, i agree with you, this place is very unforgiving i just try to weed through the bullshit and find a few good gems of info (which isnt easy at times) lol. Ima send you a PM that might help you out
stitchersflock, i agree with you, this place is very unforgiving i just try to weed through the bullshit and find a few good gems of info (which isnt easy at times) lol. Ima send you a PM that might help you out
snaek
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Originally Posted by Nightow
Stitchersflock, I see that this is the only thread you have posted in since joining Guru so I'm curious. What exactly has prevented you from feeling welcomed on this forum?
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and i see helpful answers moreso than flames
the campfire & glads arena is a diff story
bad builds generally call for a flame
i mean if a nub wants to tell a pro that he knows better than him
and that [word of healing] needs to be nerfed
then quite frankly, he needs to be put in his place