Nemesis, I could not care less. And you know why? Because having been away for a year I am not "hip" to the new acronyms of forum 'leet speak.
VS farm? I know not what is a VS; perhaps it is a Vile Sausage. What in the world is a VS?
Really I'm more concerned about the proliferation of forum 'leet speak than any farming that may be going on.
VS farm effect on GW's *economy*
wilebill
Joe Fierce
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Originally Posted by Shadow Kurd
So how big is this price drop anyway? When (if it will) will VS drop to 20k or lower?(So i can actually afford it)
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Shadow Kurd
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Originally Posted by wilebill
Nemesis, I could not care less. And you know why? Because having been away for a year I am not "hip" to the new acronyms of forum 'leet speak.
VS farm? I know not what is a VS; perhaps it is a Vile Sausage. What in the world is a VS? Really I'm more concerned about the proliferation of forum 'leet speak than any farming that may be going on. |
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Originally Posted by Joe Fierce
With a drop rate of around 0.2% i think it was calculated out to, or was it 2%, never, unless you get lucky and get a good req one to drop.
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EinherjarMx
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Originally Posted by Nemesis of God
Conclusion: VS, Amethyst Aegis and other fancy weapons, including DW, price will drop, but it won't cause big losses.
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it happened with "collosal scymitar farm effect on GW's *economy*", "fellblades, brute swords, etc, farm effect on GW's *economy*".
who RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing cares?
jade and amber prices are rock bottom now and NOBODY complains, so why the hell should people start complaining about onyx and diamonds?
Dark-NighT
Like i care that the prices of diamonds and gemstones goes down, i only have one destroyer staff because thats just about the best looking imo, now with lower prices i may just fill up the hom because i dont want to pay a shitload of cash for weapons that are utterly ugly.
If the skins where awesome id already have them all, but no!
If the skins where awesome id already have them all, but no!
enter_the_zone
Quite how this VS farm is "destroying the economy" any more than the current standard 40 minute UW HM Clear, is unclear to me. Really, a 40 minute run where most ele's get at least 1 ecto before the chest, and then the chest drops too is seriously screwed up.
I do love the irony that since the Ursan nerf, suddenly just about everything can be cleared in under an hour. Yes, it requires skilled players. But, people learn fast when motivated by that level of greed.
As for gold item drops, there are plenty of places to find these quickly already.
I do love the irony that since the Ursan nerf, suddenly just about everything can be cleared in under an hour. Yes, it requires skilled players. But, people learn fast when motivated by that level of greed.
As for gold item drops, there are plenty of places to find these quickly already.
Joseph Rejekt
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VS farm will affect economy, not by that spear drop, but by Onyx and diamond price. They were already cheap enough, but now. People, who have already got all destroyer weapons, sell them to trader, and they price drop, because no-one buys them, because all farm VS. So, people bought DW soon after GW:En, will lose around 10-35k/purchased weapon.
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Joe Fierce
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Originally Posted by Joseph Rejekt
Mostly True. People are in fact still buying destroyer weapons. Despite the number of onyx and diamonds hitting the rare mat trader, they have dropped a bit slower then they could have. The reason I know people are buying them is by the granite slabs. Anyone notice they've one from 10g a pop to 6k per stack?
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lord_shar
I just got my req9 VS last night after 2 nights of farming, and I had been away from GW for months. I plan on using it, so it won't be added to the market supply lol.
Gli
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well, i don't think anyone who is willing to pay for their destroyer weapons to complain if they wan them simply to fill their hall, that is a un-needed commodity, it is not a necessity, the diminishing in value of these weapons has no matter, I mean hell, i bought mine back he day eotn went live after the beta weekend and that cost me well over a mill, you don't see me crying because they've dropped drastically from that do you?
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Lishy
...... Are you retarded?
Why would you want to promote discrimination between older players who abused things pre-nerf to get 100k and stacks of ecto, with the newer players who aren't able to buy anything because the items require insane grind and arrives are post-nerf?
Seriously, I cannot describe this fail.
Price drops are a good thing. And I bet that if you didn't play since 2006 or early 2007, you wouldn't be so "1337" you are today who sells items for insanely high prices not intended for GW in the first place. Hence the 100k limit!
Leave Onyx and Diamonds common. 1-2k is a fair price.
For the 10 diamonds and onyx, you are already paying 20k to craft destroyers weps. Thats just half the materials and not even the price to craft the weapon itself. And furthermore, destroyers weps aren't even that cool.
Before you flame me about being a noob, I would like to mentioned that I do indeed farm. I've slowly gotten all my Paragon elite armor. But 25 ecto and 100k is still insane for a single item!
Why would you want to promote discrimination between older players who abused things pre-nerf to get 100k and stacks of ecto, with the newer players who aren't able to buy anything because the items require insane grind and arrives are post-nerf?
Seriously, I cannot describe this fail.
Price drops are a good thing. And I bet that if you didn't play since 2006 or early 2007, you wouldn't be so "1337" you are today who sells items for insanely high prices not intended for GW in the first place. Hence the 100k limit!
Leave Onyx and Diamonds common. 1-2k is a fair price.
For the 10 diamonds and onyx, you are already paying 20k to craft destroyers weps. Thats just half the materials and not even the price to craft the weapon itself. And furthermore, destroyers weps aren't even that cool.
Before you flame me about being a noob, I would like to mentioned that I do indeed farm. I've slowly gotten all my Paragon elite armor. But 25 ecto and 100k is still insane for a single item!
Riceboi
How about you get a life and stop worrying about an economy that doesn't exist.
this goes for all the whiners of ursan, sf, uw, monk, any farming build or spot. just stfu and get a life.
it's people like you that actually ruin this game.
this goes for all the whiners of ursan, sf, uw, monk, any farming build or spot. just stfu and get a life.
it's people like you that actually ruin this game.
AKB48
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VS farm will affect economy, not by that spear drop, but by Onyx and diamond price. They were already cheap enough, but now. People, who have already got all destroyer weapons, sell them to trader, and they price drop, because no-one buys them, because all farm VS. So, people bought DW soon after GW:En, will lose around 10-35k/purchased weapon.
Another that will effect economy, is gold weapon's drop. Their price will 1) Drop, since people sell unid golds from VS. 2) Drop even harder, even indefed ones. From CofS you can get VS, Diamond aegis, Amethyst aegis, and iridescent aegis for example. These items price has dropped, and countitues dropping every day. Conclusion: VS, Amethyst Aegis and other fancy weapons, including DW, price will drop, but it won't cause big losses. Something what ANet could/should do: Remove wall only after every party member has opened dungeon chest. Let the flaming begin. |
Joe Fierce
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Originally Posted by AKB48
Yaya price drop FTW!!!! Power to the Proletariat!!! Anet should NEVER nerf this.(no, im dead serious)
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People getting upset for anet going back to targeting their original target auidence, the casual player......oh noes.....lol.
some guy
I'm the Human Torch
FLAME ON!
FLAME ON!
Proff
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Originally Posted by Nemesis of God
VS farm will affect economy, not by that spear drop, but by Onyx and diamond price. They were already cheap enough, but now. People, who have already got all destroyer weapons, sell them to trader, and they price drop, because no-one buys them, because all farm VS. So, people bought DW soon after GW:En, will lose around 10-35k/purchased weapon.
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Another that will effect economy, is gold weapon's drop.
Their price will 1) Drop, since people sell unid golds from VS. 2) Drop even harder, even indefed ones. From CofS you can get VS, Diamond aegis, Amethyst aegis, and iridescent aegis for example. These items price has dropped, and countitues dropping every day. |
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Conclusion: VS, Amethyst Aegis and other fancy weapons, including DW, price will drop, but it won't cause big losses.
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Something what ANet could/should do: Remove wall only after every party member has opened dungeon chest.
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Let the flaming begin.
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Lady Raenef
In the end, you get to ask yourself why you worked so hard for something that isn't worth shit in real life. Skins are just flashy. Their meaning isn't so that you get the ability to curb stomp the fact that you have 'super cool weapons.'
For example: there's many owners of obsidian armor whose asses I have kicked before. So, rare skins for all. Voltaic spear isn't that great to me anyway. It's only popular because it's rare. I still use an elemental sword because I like it, even though it's worth as much as the merchant gives you for it. If crystalline was a common drop, I know for a fact it wouldn't be so idolized. It's ugly. It's only expensive because it hardly ever drops. Pathetic reason to keep it alive. Ugly things should be trashed, not cherished.
For example: there's many owners of obsidian armor whose asses I have kicked before. So, rare skins for all. Voltaic spear isn't that great to me anyway. It's only popular because it's rare. I still use an elemental sword because I like it, even though it's worth as much as the merchant gives you for it. If crystalline was a common drop, I know for a fact it wouldn't be so idolized. It's ugly. It's only expensive because it hardly ever drops. Pathetic reason to keep it alive. Ugly things should be trashed, not cherished.
Krill
Yeah, it's kinda annoying that earlier this summer I shelled out two weeks worth of z-keys for a VS and now people can get one in five minutes, but as most everyone agrees there is not an economy in GW per se, never really was either. To my knowledge the only firm stance anet has ever taken was combating bots that had an entirely artificial effect on prices. In the end it really doesn't matter though because everything needed to play PvE can be crafted at a fixed price and / or acquired from a collector with minimal effort.
R.Shayne
To all those have gotten their Voltaic Spear in a couple of days, I HATE YOU. I have been running this for 2 weeks and I have gotten nothing.
okashii
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...now people can get one in five minutes
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its a bit like saying I shouldnt have worked hard for so many years, I could have just played the lottery and win millions
yes statistcly a chance for that happening exists...but we all know it wont happen :P
and R.Shayne dont worry I know what you mean, it took me a week to get my voltaic <I was doing it Hero&Hench way on NM with my assasin before it leaked>
oh and about the economy part, I dont see anything wrong with cool thing being cheap and thus affordable by many others
lets face it, there are many many players who are not good at making gold [making below 10K/Hour minimum wage :P ]
Turbobusa
By making them easy to get, you don't have to spend your life playing to get one, and actually enjoy being outside. So in fact you should thank farmers!
DarkGanni
First ppl Q.Q about ursan, then about Shadowform, then about ecto prices going low due to farming and now they whine about voltaic spears.
Get over it and accept the fact that nothing is expensive forever.
- Ganni
PS: Turbobusa made a very good point.
Get over it and accept the fact that nothing is expensive forever.
- Ganni
PS: Turbobusa made a very good point.
Dante the Warlord
So what, stop pestering ANET with having to improve the "economy" even thought there is no such thing as a game economy.. Why? cause id rather they make new CONTENT then have to pay attention to making nerfs or buffs for exploits. Economy is nothing anymore because people are all at least 100k+ rich including all their armor. VS spears are cheaper, so what, they are still expensive and so more people have them... If you want a unique skin, go look at the underrated ones, since people are way to susceptible these days.
Besides the intro of the MOX quests give everyone some 30-40k per char. I would be complaining about that more since anyone with the reqs will get around 320K if they are hardcore in the game enough...
Besides the intro of the MOX quests give everyone some 30-40k per char. I would be complaining about that more since anyone with the reqs will get around 320K if they are hardcore in the game enough...
byteme!
@OP GW is a player driven economy. Aside from what we can get from traders (materials, dye, runes etc...) Anet really has very little influence on how prices are set. Sure they can artificially increase/decrease drop rates. But we're talking about the VS farm here and it's still the same as it was the first day of release. Many of the rare skins of the past fell victim to the public. Someone found an easy/faster way of obtaining them and the news went public. Thus causing a drop in item value do to the increased influx of said rare items.
BenjZee
because the Voltaic spear is so vital in the guild wars 'economy'
give it a rest. Its just another fad people are doing, it will change soon anyway
if they nerf it, people will just move onto something else. some people forget how its only a game and an item really isn't gettin all whiny about. If it makes it easier then thats good for you right?
i want to end this by saying if you don't like the skin don't go mental over it. Im not a big fan so i don't actually want or 'need' one. Although if i did get one i wouldn't mind
give it a rest. Its just another fad people are doing, it will change soon anyway
if they nerf it, people will just move onto something else. some people forget how its only a game and an item really isn't gettin all whiny about. If it makes it easier then thats good for you right?i want to end this by saying if you don't like the skin don't go mental over it. Im not a big fan so i don't actually want or 'need' one. Although if i did get one i wouldn't mind
AKB48
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By making them easy to get, you don't have to spend your life playing to get one, and actually enjoy being outside. So in fact you should thank farmers!
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Chthon
VS farm is good for the economy. Lowers an extremely high price down to a sane level. Good thing.
enter_the_zone
And it allows faster farming of gold items, so that's a win too.
IMO, people should learn to quit with the QQing already. You QQ'ers bitched about Ursan, so they nerfed it. Now every man and his dog can clear UW in HM in about 40 minutes. Well done, that really worked out well, didn't it, genius? So they're probably going to listen to your bitching and nerf that too. Well, I'd have made my millions by then, so go ahead and nerf it. The resultant rising ecto price would suit me, actually. Might get a cheap Q9 Voltaic Spear...
IMO, people should learn to quit with the QQing already. You QQ'ers bitched about Ursan, so they nerfed it. Now every man and his dog can clear UW in HM in about 40 minutes. Well done, that really worked out well, didn't it, genius? So they're probably going to listen to your bitching and nerf that too. Well, I'd have made my millions by then, so go ahead and nerf it. The resultant rising ecto price would suit me, actually. Might get a cheap Q9 Voltaic Spear...
Numa Pompilius
VS price drop?! We're talking old-testament stuff here. Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together... Mass hysteria!
I've always wondered, how boring a life must one live to become a wannabe clerk and make-believe a computer RPG into a commodities training simulator?
Ah well. I don't like exploits, and for that reason I think ANet might want to take a look at this. Not that ANet has a stirling record of getting rid of exploits in PvE.
I've always wondered, how boring a life must one live to become a wannabe clerk and make-believe a computer RPG into a commodities training simulator?
Ah well. I don't like exploits, and for that reason I think ANet might want to take a look at this. Not that ANet has a stirling record of getting rid of exploits in PvE.
Nightow
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Originally Posted by Numa Pompilius
VS price drop?! We're talking old-testament stuff here. Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together... Mass hysteria!
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/Not signed, Turbobusa and Chthon put it quite nicely.
psycore
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Originally Posted by Numa Pompilius
VS price drop?! We're talking old-testament stuff here. Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together... Mass hysteria!
I've always wondered, how boring a life must one live to become a wannabe clerk and make-believe a computer RPG into a commodities training simulator? Ah well. I don't like exploits, and for that reason I think ANet might want to take a look at this. Not that ANet has a stirling record of getting rid of exploits in PvE. |
The VS farm isn't an exploit though. It doesn't intentionally use a game bug or loophole - just a very smart way of using skill sets, mob ai and map design determined by anet to reach a goal.
CE Devilman
"'My time grows short,' observed the Spirit. 'Quick.'
This was not addressed to Scrooge, or to any one whom he
could see, but it produced an immediate effect. For again
Scrooge saw himself. He was older now; a man in the prime
of life. His face had not the harsh and rigid lines of later
years; but it had begun to wear the signs of care and avarice.
There was an eager, greedy, restless motion in the eye, which
showed the passion that had taken root, and where the
shadow of the growing tree would fall."
- A Christmas Carol, Stave 2: The First of the Three Spirits
This was not addressed to Scrooge, or to any one whom he
could see, but it produced an immediate effect. For again
Scrooge saw himself. He was older now; a man in the prime
of life. His face had not the harsh and rigid lines of later
years; but it had begun to wear the signs of care and avarice.
There was an eager, greedy, restless motion in the eye, which
showed the passion that had taken root, and where the
shadow of the growing tree would fall."
- A Christmas Carol, Stave 2: The First of the Three Spirits
Joe Fierce
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Originally Posted by Lady Raenef
In the end, you get to ask yourself why you worked so hard for something that isn't worth shit in real life. Skins are just flashy. Their meaning isn't so that you get the ability to curb stomp the fact that you have 'super cool weapons.'
For example: there's many owners of obsidian armor whose asses I have kicked before. So, rare skins for all. Voltaic spear isn't that great to me anyway. It's only popular because it's rare. I still use an elemental sword because I like it, even though it's worth as much as the merchant gives you for it. If crystalline was a common drop, I know for a fact it wouldn't be so idolized. It's ugly. It's only expensive because it hardly ever drops. Pathetic reason to keep it alive. Ugly things should be trashed, not cherished. |
and as for this:
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"'My time grows short,' observed the Spirit. 'Quick.'
This was not addressed to Scrooge, or to any one whom he could see, but it produced an immediate effect. For again Scrooge saw himself. He was older now; a man in the prime of life. His face had not the harsh and rigid lines of later years; but it had begun to wear the signs of care and avarice. There was an eager, greedy, restless motion in the eye, which showed the passion that had taken root, and where the shadow of the growing tree would fall." - A Christmas Carol, Stave 2: The First of the Three Spirits |
cthulhu reborn
It's kinda like real life, isn't?
You buy a video game when it comes out new and you pay 50 or 60 bucks and then a year later you can get it in the bin for 20 bucks. Except in real life people expect this to happen but inside a game people find it ridiculous...
I have a full HoM for my para including all destroyer weapons...when I got them they were about 60k each...now they're not. Such is life. And some items are such that they have classic status and become more expensive. Nothing like an old style r8, non inscribable sword that you bought for 30k and is now 100k +xx ecto's. But again this sort of stuff happens in real life and then we think it's normal...
You buy a video game when it comes out new and you pay 50 or 60 bucks and then a year later you can get it in the bin for 20 bucks. Except in real life people expect this to happen but inside a game people find it ridiculous...
I have a full HoM for my para including all destroyer weapons...when I got them they were about 60k each...now they're not. Such is life. And some items are such that they have classic status and become more expensive. Nothing like an old style r8, non inscribable sword that you bought for 30k and is now 100k +xx ecto's. But again this sort of stuff happens in real life and then we think it's normal...
Trylo
i didnt know you could farm something with a 2% drop rate, and then you have to be the lucky person out of 8 to get it! amythest aegis are disgusting to look at in the first place, ive seen about 3 drop out of 15 runs. thats a lot better %, but really they were never worth as much to begin with.
the permasin ecto farm was much, much more relevant to the economy, and shows they really dont care about the prices of rare mats (aka onyx/diamond).
the permasin ecto farm was much, much more relevant to the economy, and shows they really dont care about the prices of rare mats (aka onyx/diamond).
illidan009
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glad to know the economy may not be going down the drain even more than it is now...i havent gotten my destroyer weapons either...waiting till onyx is 1k.
Dante the Warlord
Personally, i wish there were no rare skins and that everything dropped just tried to use their own common senses for whats cool and whats not
garethporlest18
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Crystalline? 12 chars(oh wait i had 12 already...)
glad to know the economy may not be going down the drain even more than it is now...i havent gotten my destroyer weapons either...waiting till onyx is 1k. |
Hyper.nl
The economy has survived many so called 'destructions' already. It will survive this one as well. 
I don't get the point of paying 100+k for a gold drop weapon anyways. You can't even add it to HoM. Only Tormenteds deserve these insane prices imo.
I don't get the point of paying 100+k for a gold drop weapon anyways. You can't even add it to HoM. Only Tormenteds deserve these insane prices imo.
Sweet Mystery
I honestly think people will get bored of this farm.... loads and loads of attempts and there will be the very few who get a spear.... then the moaning and people will want to go again - and the person who had one drops out.... add another hopeful... repeat....
The farm isn't an issue... it will go on, just I don't think this spear drop will in any way effect the economy.... it's just moving monies around...
The farm isn't an issue... it will go on, just I don't think this spear drop will in any way effect the economy.... it's just moving monies around...