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S_Serpent

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Feb 2006

When not at Aziure's Wizard Tower you can find my in Belgium

Knigths of the Keyboard Order - KkO

12 Sep 2008 at 09:09 - 81

the hero running was never the problem, so stop saying that hfff has the same exploit

the exploit used in the hero running came from UA where you could be rezzed from one end of the map to the other. And then consequently run through a portal (something your hero's couldn't do for you

) to zone to the next area!

So HFFF has absolutly nothing to do with the ghost running and what was being exploited about it!

All I see is so many trying to drag this or that title into discussion, where it doesn't belong really, stupid whiners!

Jeeez, stop complaining it will make your lives much easier!
A.net can't make everyone happy you know!

Sweet Mystery

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Aug 2007

Shadow Hunters Of Light [SHOL]

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12 Sep 2008 at 09:10 - 82

How can running some heroes things be "ghost running" ? HFFF needs SF to get past mobs to the safer areas where they dont spawn things. HFFF is FFF with heroes... stop the crying out for it....

Turbobusa

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2006

By the Luxon Scavenger

The Mentalists [THPK]

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12 Sep 2008 at 10:39 - 83

Let me ask you a question, if the mob spawning trick wasn't used in ghost running, why would you take a hero to run.

Sjeng

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2005

in my GH

Limburgse Jagers [LJ]

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12 Sep 2008 at 10:58 - 84

Quote:

Originally Posted by Numa Pompilius

@sjeng: Neither ursan nor hfff is FUN, it's just the most fastest way to grind. If you really find grinding fun, you should check out Lineage 2, it's probably your kind of game.

1) Ursan WAS fun to me and a LOT of others. Fortunately I can do without, but some might not. I really don't care if this makes those people bad players. This is a matter of opinion, not fact.
2) HFFF being fun or not wasn't the point, it's about people trying to spoil the game for others, but w/e. I dislike grind as much as anyone, but seeing as this is the fastest way to achieve a title, let people use it, and don't take it away from them.

I hate, no LOATHE people who think they should be the ones dictating the way others should play a game. Sure, you can make suggestions, but do NOT whine for nerfs that will change the way people have to play or spoil other people's fun at playing. It's just a game for crying out loud.

Gill Halendt

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2008

12 Sep 2008 at 11:41 - 85

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sjeng

1) Ursan WAS fun to me and a LOT of others. Fortunately I can do without, but some might not. I really don't care if this makes those people bad players. This is a matter of opinion, not fact.
2) HFFF being fun or not wasn't the point, it's about people trying to spoil the game for others, but w/e. I dislike grind as much as anyone, but seeing as this is the fastest way to achieve a title, let people use it, and don't take it away from them.

I hate, no LOATHE people who think they should be the ones dictating the way others should play a game. Sure, you can make suggestions, but do NOT whine for nerfs that will change the way people have to play or spoil other people's fun at playing. It's just a game for crying out loud.

You're my hero. Nice to see someone with some brains on this forum.

Fitz Rinley

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2005

The Rusty Rose

W/Mo

12 Sep 2008 at 13:14 - 86

As far as I can tell, NC West has no concept of reduced grind. They dont at all understand the difference between reasonable and excessive effort. Even with HFFF the amount of times one needs to do it in order to max is extreme. Even doing HFFF it takes 25,000 trips to max, which is about 420 hours. Even SS/LB on ten characters is only about 375 hours (If Bohdabi the Destructive is half way cooperative).

What would help reduce grind/HFFF is double or triple the rewards for bounties in Factions. That would at least decrease the need for the other.

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Originally Posted by Sjeng

I hate, no LOATHE people who think they should be the ones dictating the way others should play a game. Sure, you can make suggestions, but do NOT whine for nerfs that will change the way people have to play or spoil other people's fun at playing. It's just a game for crying out loud.

I fully concur. Everything I have requested has been to make things better and more enjoyable for those who play, not for workaholic sales rep.s who ply their trade both on and off the clock, nor for those who feel their Existence will be diminished if someone else doesnt suffer everything they have.

Savio

Teenager with attitude

Join Date: Jul 2005

Fifteen Over Fifty [Rare]

12 Sep 2008 at 13:30 - 87

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sjeng

Sure, you can make suggestions, but do NOT whine for nerfs that will change the way people have to play or spoil other people's fun at playing.

Since when are there nerfs which don't change the way others play?

Numa Pompilius

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: May 2005

At an Insit.. Intis... a house.

Live Forever Or Die Trying [GLHF]

W/Me

12 Sep 2008 at 13:36 - 88

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sjeng

1) Ursan WAS fun to me and a LOT of others.

If you say so. It's completely unfathomable to me that anyone can find target nearest & pressing skills randomly on recharge, without ever putting brain in gear or even having to look at the screen, "fun", but I'll take your word for it.

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2) HFFF being fun or not wasn't the point

Actually that was the point. It's boring as hell, it's just the fastest way to grind.

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, it's about people trying to spoil the game for others, but w/e. I dislike grind as much as anyone, but seeing as this is the fastest way to achieve a title, let people use it, and don't take it away from them.

I don't give a shit about titles. In fact, I think titles should be removed or sold in the online shop, but if people want to grind for them be my guest. Don't bitch & moan about the grind when you yourself have chosen to grind, though.

I wanted ursan removed because it was a dumb and boring gimmick skill which was harmful to the game and only existed to to make people buy EotN.
As for HFFF, I don't care if people do it, but don't tell me it's "fun".
As for UA, it was broken and exploitable, and has now been fixed. Big deal.

Gill Halendt

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2008

12 Sep 2008 at 14:45 - 89

Quote:

Originally Posted by Numa Pompilius

I wanted ursan removed because it was a dumb and boring gimmick skill which was harmful to the game and only existed to to make people buy EotN.

Here, exactly what he said:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sjeng

2) HFFF being fun or not wasn't the point, it's about people trying to spoil the game for others, but w/e. I dislike grind as much as anyone, but seeing as this is the fastest way to achieve a title, let people use it, and don't take it away from them.

If YOU don't like HFFF because it's boring and dumb, simply DON'T do it. Let people decide what THEY want to do tough. Ursan rage has proven that if elitist kiddos cry loud enough, they'll eventually get a candy from Anet.

You can play without doing even a single minute of HFFF, you are not forced to do it in ANY way as much as you can live with no maxed allegiance titles or without Ursan Blessing.. unless your ego is bigger than your arguments and you're just envious about those people spending hours doing "dumb" things you don't like, taking advantages out of it. Is that it?

I'm getting sick of players complaining about EVERYTHING that supposedly "spoils their game", just because they're frustrated with people doing what they dislike and consider "dumb".

EDIT - While we're at it. [SARCASM]I want HA to be removed. I don't like PvP, most of the PvP players I've meet in my whole life were complete dumbasses who couldn't even spell properly, rank discrimination is harmful for the game and I'm sick of HA cretins spamming their rank they purchased on eBay and then crying for help because they can't beat Sanctum Cay. I want monks with Obsidian Armor to be banned, since lots of them are farmers or even botters, farming and botting are harmful for the game economy and lots of those players are pushovers who're just there to waste server bandwidth showing off in Kamadan.[/SARCASM]

Gogo generalization.

enter_the_zone

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Nov 2007

R/

12 Sep 2008 at 15:02 - 90

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Originally Posted by Shadowmoon

No they use Shadowform to get past the first set of mobs to get off radar, then it can drop and they can go care free to the quest markers. The only thing that messes it up is if someone take the quest early that forces luxon to spawn in those locations.
Even if you perma SF your heroes, which would be alot more work, they would probably get body blocked by mobs on the way to the points. Heck the stairs and the shore runner are in range for that huge sin boss group.
Allowing heroes to spawn mobs would force you to perma sf them, and pray to not get body blocked.

Ok, so then we're back to the "Door man, 4 runners" scenario. How is that worse? In fact, a decent team like that is still about 10seconds faster than HFFF, but most people can't be bothered with it.

Nerfing HFFF at this point would be a retarded move on Anet's part, since only the newer players would really suffer. The so-called "exploiters" have made their millions already, so nerfing it wouldn't affect them at all.

Shadowmoon

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2006

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12 Sep 2008 at 15:08 - 91

A bug was discovered with UA last night during a guild run, which makes the skill very unreliable. This just show me more than the UA change was half baked and rushed just to close ghost running. It just like the Guild Hall glitch back in December, took 3 update because Anet used half baked band-aids to fix the problem. Plus they are just lazy, look at smiter's boon. Instead of at least trying to balance it, let make it totally unusable. And it not temporary til they come up with a way to balance it, they have no intention to re look at it.

And btw, When 4 sins and a door used to do the FFF, no exploit was involved, mobs spawned.
Now try this, get on a perma sin, go to the 4 locations, then return to the start, then try to get your heros to run there with the mobs there. Guess what, I've tried it, they fail horribly.
The exploit was that heroes don't spawn mobs, not UA's infinite range, but instead of fixing that mechanic, they broke the only wipe protection skill in the game.

MithranArkanere

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Nov 2006

wikipedia.org/wiki/Vigo

Heraldos de la Llama Oscura [HLO]

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12 Sep 2008 at 15:33 - 92

Quote:

Originally Posted by Azazel The Assassin

The biggest problem I see is the same problem that Dwarven Boxing gives. It makes Survivor easy.

What? XD

Survivor has been easy way before HFFF.

The problem with HFFF is that thos that work hard clearing areas in hard mode, doing elite missions or PvP get way less points that just do almost mindless grinding.

That's the only problem with HFFF.

Grj

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2007

12 Sep 2008 at 15:41 - 93

Here's a closed topic on you QQ'ing over the faction weekend not effecting H/FFF

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10225490

Oh and another

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10202386

So you want H/FFF nerfed because due to "exploit" and a lack of "consistency" (Yeah sure you do, but only when it suits you) but you're more then willing to take part in such "expliot"? hypocrite

Nemesis of God

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2008

Finland

Azura Empire [AE]

Mo/E

12 Sep 2008 at 16:53 - 94

Max that they could do is drop faction and gold rate from quest. But Anet is so stupid that they won't do it.

Dam, now I said...

MithranArkanere

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Nov 2006

wikipedia.org/wiki/Vigo

Heraldos de la Llama Oscura [HLO]

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12 Sep 2008 at 17:36 - 95

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nemesis of God

Max that they could do is drop faction and gold rate from quest. But Anet is so stupid that they won't do it.

Dam, now I said...

That won't do. If those quests are done as they are meant to be done, there is no problem.

The problem is when you make one of them again and again.

So that's why I think they should be changed so you must do them all once before being able to get the reward or even before all of them reset.

Gill Halendt

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2008

12 Sep 2008 at 17:48 - 96

Quote:

Originally Posted by MithranArkanere

So that's why I think they should be changed so you must do them all once before being able to get the reward or even before all of them reset.

Those quests are repeatable to allow people to do the Befriending the Kurzicks/Luxons quest if they don't wanna AB.

They're fine the way they are.

Destro Maniak

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Aug 2006

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12 Sep 2008 at 17:51 - 97

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shadowmoon

What can be clearly seen, the UA nerf was directed at ghost running, which a-net sees as an exploit in the game because heros don't trigger mobs to spawn. Now if A-net want to be consistant, what next needs to be nerfed is both luxon and kurzick HFFF.
These only work because of the same exploit used by ghost running, the heroes don't trigger the mobs to spawn, so they can just run care free to the quest points. Plus these are easily botable.
Now will they do it? I don't know, but yesterday they stated that abusing the fact that heroes do not spawn mobs is an exploit. But this is the most popular activity on the kurzick side to get faction, dunno if the blacklash would prevent them from closing this exploit too. Also how would this favor in there new message of trying to reduce grind.
All I do know is that in A-nets eyes, HFFF is an exploit.

YOUA RE MISTAKEN!!!
dude, make the mobs spawn if you want
it wont matter even that much
because its not anything being exploited there
heroes ALREADY HAVE SHADOW FORM

just a little reminder:
this quest is there for 2 years or so now
if anet things that its abuse, they would have nerfed it
ALREADY^^
not a single skill havent been stood same for 2 years anet changes everything but securing echovland stood same
Anet loves that quest

kratimas

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Dec 2005

Order of the Setting Sun

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12 Sep 2008 at 18:05 - 98

Quote:

Originally Posted by Numa Pompilius

If you say so. It's completely unfathomable to me that anyone can find target nearest & pressing skills randomly on recharge, without ever putting brain in gear or even having to look at the screen, "fun", but I'll take your word for it.

I find it completely unfathomable that anyone could think that any build in GW isn't anything but target nearest & pressing skills randomly on recharge.

There is no brain work in PvE at all anywhere!

Everyone that said how bad Ursan was because it was so brainless must have just been plain bad at the game because it is all brainless.

At least in PvP you have to think some because you have to predict what the other person is thinking or going to do, in PvE you only have to "out think" the AI which is always the same and always forgiving.

So, although I never used Ursan it would be very easy to see why some people would find it fun to use it.

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Originally Posted by Numa Pompilius

I don't give a shit about titles. In fact, I think titles should be removed or sold in the online shop, but if people want to grind for them be my guest. Don't bitch & moan about the grind when you yourself have chosen to grind, though.

I do however totally agree with you on this point.

Shadowmoon

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2006

N/A

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12 Sep 2008 at 18:20 - 99

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grj

So you want H/FFF nerfed because due to "exploit" and a lack of "consistency" (Yeah sure you do, but only when it suits you) but you're more then willing to take part in such "expliot"? hypocrite

1. Got most of my Kurzick title using the FFF, no exploit involve there, it just a team build like the UW SC. Was complaining that only releif for that title grind was given to pvp activities when they showed they could make a double faciton reward weekend, which only happened once in the past year and half.

2. Only until two days ago they stated that using the heroes to not spawn mobs is a exploit, which is why ghost running and HFF is possible. I used the AFK LB farm to get max LB on my necro because it was never stated as a exploit. Until Anet states otherwize, and it has no economic effect, ie duping or the 117, it is a feature, for example, death leveling in pre.

I'm just saying that both ghost running and HFF use the same exploit, and I'd say hff has more potential and real damage to economy because, its easily bottable (auto hotkey scripts are very easy to make for it), and you get money as the reward (plus jade and amber can easily be converted into more money). If your thinking the two are different, well I'd like some of what you smoking.

Shadowhaze

Nothing, tra la la?

Join Date: Oct 2007

12 Sep 2008 at 18:55 - 100

Since it's been around as long as it has, nothing will probably happen to it...at least let's hope not.

UA was fun, but yeah...nerfdom has come again.

And I so love how people insult each other - either thinking pvp/pve is superior to the other or whatever. -_-

Jenn

Resigned.

Join Date: Sep 2006

12 Sep 2008 at 18:59 - 101

"they stated that abusing the fact that heroes do not spawn mobs is an exploit."

I think aNet needs to get their shit together and stop calling what they failed to fix/do right an exploit. Calling it an exploit makes it sounds like the players are at the problem, and not how they created the game.

MithranArkanere

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Nov 2006

wikipedia.org/wiki/Vigo

Heraldos de la Llama Oscura [HLO]

E/

12 Sep 2008 at 21:22 - 102

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gill Halendt

Those quests are repeatable to allow people to do the Befriending the Kurzicks/Luxons quest if they don't wanna AB.

They're fine the way they are.

Changing them so people have to make the 5 in each side before getting the rewards won't prevent people from getting the points.

- Instead making : Make quest3, get reward, make quest 3, get reward.
- People would: Make quest1, Make quest2, Make quest 3, Maker quest 4, Make quest 5, get reward.

You could also make a slight change:
- An NPC in the faction's Town give a quest: Help <faction name> in the field. The objectives would be to make each quest once.
- Make each quest, and fullfill each objective.
- Then go get the reward for making all five quest by talking to the NPC in the faction's Town: 3000 faction + 1 token of the side (Luxon Totem/Equipment Requisition).

That way if you make just one, you'll get 400 each time, if you make all five, then report to the Town, you'll get 1000 faction for each one (400+600) for a total of 5000.

That way people that quest should get more points than people that just repeat the same quest.

Gill Halendt

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2008

12 Sep 2008 at 21:56 - 103

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shadowmoon

I'm just saying that both ghost running and HFF use the same exploit, and I'd say hff has more potential and real damage to economy because, its easily bottable (auto hotkey scripts are very easy to make for it), and you get money as the reward (plus jade and amber can easily be converted into more money). If your thinking the two are different, well I'd like some of what you smoking.

Oh, sure, yet another "I care about economy" thread... If that's all we're worrying about, I say Protective Spirit should be nerfed first. UW and most areas were never meant to be soloable and 55HP have made a heapful of money with it. Wonder why no one ever complained.

Issac

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Oct 2006

Earthrealm

W/A

12 Sep 2008 at 22:24 - 104

Anet won't do anything with it. Their fans of the kurzicks from what I know so their probably going to let it slide. It's gone on this long, if they wanted to change it the probably would have :S.

Rhamia Darigaz

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2008

12 Sep 2008 at 22:26 - 105

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shadowmoon

Plus they are just lazy, look at smiter's boon. Instead of at least trying to balance it, let make it totally unusable. And it not temporary til they come up with a way to balance it, they have no intention to re look at it.

you don't seem to understand how broken the ability to heal, prevent damage, remove conditions/hexes, and deal aoe damage is.
if you have any ideas about how to balance smiter's boon, please share. for now, though, i agree with anet's decision to remove it from pvp.

Dami

Academy Page

Join Date: Aug 2007

12 Sep 2008 at 22:56 - 106

ok guys

enough is enough...

as soon as one thing is nerfed another thing is boldly brought into the spot light...heros were brought in to help players be it do missions or quests or what ever. and guess what hfff is a quest helped by...wait for it heros. What about people who won't pvp to get their faction and have these quests to help them on their way to their 10k to continue thru factions? guilds ask players to get faction...faction to own towns and outposts...nerfing it will be another nail in factions coffin. Ursan..nerfed Sf...nerfed lets leave one thing alone just this once

Daenara

Bad Romance

Join Date: May 2006

Aussie Trolling Crew HQ - Grand Matron

Mo/

12 Sep 2008 at 23:04 - 107

Maxing the Kurzick title takes a ridiculous amount of time, and that is with heroes. Unless you were with a guild group who was experienced, I would not want to try and pug my way to the max title. I don't believe Anet will nerf HFFF because of this.

Shadowmoon

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2006

N/A

N/

12 Sep 2008 at 23:33 - 108

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rhamia Darigaz

you don't seem to understand how broken the ability to heal, prevent damage, remove conditions/hexes, and deal aoe damage is.
if you have any ideas about how to balance smiter's boon, please share. for now, though, i agree with anet's decision to remove it from pvp.

I never said it wasn't over powered, it was, no doubt, but it was lazy to purposely make a skill unusable for a long period of time. I agree it was good to break the skill right b4 the MAT to prevent it from breaking that, but leaving it broken without any attempt to balance it, just lazy. Heck just change what it does. It not like skills are set in stone or anything, and i dont' really know anys farms that use it either in pve.

And guess what, the econmy is the difference between a perma ban and just a fix. Most of the 117 used the same guild hall glitch everyone and their dog used back in decemeber, but only they were banned because it affected the economy.

Esan

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2007

Wars

13 Sep 2008 at 07:22 - 109

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shadowmoon

I never said it wasn't over powered, it was, no doubt, but it was lazy to purposely make a skill unusable for a long period of time. I agree it was good to break the skill right b4 the MAT to prevent it from breaking that, but leaving it broken without any attempt to balance it, just lazy. Heck just change what it does. It not like skills are set in stone or anything, and i dont' really know anys farms that use it either in pve.

Totally off topic, but Izzy has said that he is saving Smiter's Boon for a sunnier day. The nerf that made it unplayable is not intended to be permanent.

Kashrlyyk

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2005

13 Sep 2008 at 08:11 - 110

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rhamia Darigaz

you don't seem to understand how broken the ability to heal, prevent damage, remove conditions/hexes, and deal aoe damage is.
if you have any ideas about how to balance smiter's boon, please share. for now, though, i agree with anet's decision to remove it from pvp.

Here take a look. Mere minutes after Izzy's blunder.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Esan

Totally off topic, but Izzy has said that he is saving Smiter's Boon for a sunnier day. The nerf that made it unplayable is not intended to be permanent.

There are more than 900 other skills that he should balance too! So I think there is a good chance he will never look at Smiter's Boon again or he will, to pretend he cares.

pumpkin pie

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jul 2006

behind you

bumble bee

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13 Sep 2008 at 09:53 - 111

trigger rewards by kill counts

Since the quest require players to kill mobs of either luxons or kurziks, so the rewards should be base on kill counts, (think timer type quest where you feed hungry monsters) when the require amount of mobs are reached, rewards are available. problem solved

Grj

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2007

13 Sep 2008 at 11:35 - 112

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shadowmoon

I never said it wasn't over powered, it was, no doubt, but it was lazy to purposely make a skill unusable for a long period of time. I agree it was good to break the skill right b4 the MAT to prevent it from breaking that, but leaving it broken without any attempt to balance it, just lazy. Heck just change what it does. It not like skills are set in stone or anything, and i dont' really know anys farms that use it either in pve.

And guess what, the econmy is the difference between a perma ban and just a fix. Most of the 117 used the same guild hall glitch everyone and their dog used back in decemeber, but only they were banned because it affected the economy.

Suprising you only just realised izzy is lazy and bad at skill balancing.

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Originally Posted by Esan

Totally off topic, but Izzy has said that he is saving Smiter's Boon for a sunnier day. The nerf that made it unplayable is not intended to be permanent.

Really? where was this stated? Proves my point really, all he had to do was put a sentance like this in together with the patch notes and people might of not been so bad about it.

Funny thing is people think its all going to be different in guildwars 2, yeah it might be all for about five mins but bad skill balancer is bad.

Gill Halendt

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2008

13 Sep 2008 at 11:52 - 113

Quote:

Originally Posted by pumpkin pie

problem solved

The real problem here is that HFFF is no problem. It's NOT hurting anyone game. It MIGHT be hurting economy, but it's not as evident as, say, solo farming.

Anet put grinding in the game, and that's now a fact: repeatable quests are there to allow people who are willing to spend hours in boredom to pile up factions for their title/money/town possession/whatever. That's always been it, even before the introduction of the allegiance titles. I've repeated the Luxon quest in the arena for ages, just to allow all of my now 18+ character to reach Gyala Hatchery. What's wrong with it? I hate AB, I've always thought it was faster than doing all the other quests in the Luxon area, so I did it. Just like I spent hours killing insects out of Yohlon Haven to unlock Venta Cemetery with all of them.

I'd rather have more interesting alternatives to achieve the same result, rather than killing the only viable solutions just because a couple of players are envious of what factions farmer get for their boring activity, but don't wanna spend their time farming like them. I said that when Ursan Blessing was in the eye of thunder, I won't give up reiterating it. ALTERNATIVES PLEASE.

HFFF is technically no exploit (go figure, there's a guide on the Official Wiki...), since it's an automation of a strategy that used to involve humans. Easily bottable, sure. Botters could just have one permasin bot to do the whole quest alone. Botters could run 4 instances of the game, with a permasin bot in each, and have 4 "human players" run the quest. DO SOMETHING against botters, like, say, check for them, since everyone knows where they hang out. Even I could spot botters in Lutgardis, what's preventing Anet to do it? That's if botting and economy is what this is all about. If it's just another "Please, stop people achieving things faster than me!" moan, well...

Dante the Warlord

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2006

W/R

13 Sep 2008 at 14:06 - 114

UA was being used in UW and with VS farming, it was obviously way to strong to be able to teleport rez and allowed expensive items to be farmed within months of playing. Its not realy the case with HFFF runs,though i think that it isn't exempt..

I also thing their spree of nerfing is a little stupid, they need to make things FUN, whether or not its an exploit. The only good thing they have done so far is the MOX thing and that even could have been more elaborate. NCSoft is going out of business and ANET really needs to step up their game in their already existing products, better GW2, more interesting things in GW1.

daze

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Aug 2008

In my own mind

The Dragon Exchange

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13 Sep 2008 at 15:06 - 115

Cryway should be next to Nerf. Cryway breezes through the hardest areas faster than Ursan did. So naturally ANet will need to rain on our parade.

Clone

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2006

13 Sep 2008 at 15:19 - 116

Quote:

Originally Posted by daze

Cryway should be next to Nerf. Cryway breezes through the hardest areas faster than Ursan did. So naturally ANet will need to rain on our parade.

Indeed, how dare people have fun playing these areas? These builds must be nerfed immediately like ursan!

Shadowmoon

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2006

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13 Sep 2008 at 15:25 - 117

Can't see cryway geting nerfed either, its the old tank and spank mechanic.
Only way i can see it change it to make it a skill, so it can't be arcane echoed.

Gill Halendt

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2008

13 Sep 2008 at 19:19 - 118

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shadowmoon

Only way i can see it change it to make it a skill, so it can't be arcane echoed.

And why on Earth should they ever do that?

MercenaryKnight

Forge Runner

Join Date: May 2006

Wolf of Shadows [WoS]

P/

13 Sep 2008 at 19:29 - 119

They already said in one of the older updates that cryway was being looked into. Most likely will get nerfed by making damage only like 50 damage +1.50 for each rank in domination magic or something.

pumpkin pie

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jul 2006

behind you

bumble bee

E/

14 Sep 2008 at 08:47 - 120

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gill Halendt

Oh, sure, yet another "I care about economy" thread... If that's all we're worrying about, I say Protective Spirit should be nerfed first. UW and most areas were never meant to be soloable and 55HP have made a heapful of money with it. Wonder why no one ever complained.

because 55hp monks (builds) still requireds you to kill each of the mobs that you want to get the drops from?

where as hfff does not? that is why making the repeatable quest base on kill count is very reasonable.