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birdfoot

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2006

Singapore

Ordo Chaotika

W/Mo

22 Sep 2008 at 15:40 - 41

I'm inclined to think that whenever Anet tries to make something sound epic, be prepared for a disappointment.

I think the only worth of HoM in GW2 that Anet has in mind is that you get to show that your GW2 toon was descended from a GW1 toon which had that many worthy achievements; something that the folks that had never played GW1 will never have or unless they are willing to spend extra $$ to purchase GW1 later on and start working for it.

I have a feeling that:

Current heroes will appear as part of GW2's lore
GW1 armor designs will not appear in GW2 (become history)
GW1 minipets will not reappear in GW2 (become history too)

Being able to show that your GW2 toon is descended from a legendary character with those achievements and proof of having fought alongside the heroes to poor folks, who's never played GW1, will probably make them salivate I guess.

Anyway, HoM is like a marketing tactic to please current GW1 players for their change of plans and move together to a better platform. I wouldn't discount the fact that it's pretty good for $$ later on too when hardcore players new to GW sees HoMs of ex-GW1 players and starts buying GW1 after GW2 to enjoy the same status as a veteran. Either way, Anet will benefit.

To be honest, the only worth of HoM at this point (to me) is to commemorate what will become historical. And also, character name reservation. I'm also hoping that Anet will at least surprise me for once.

EDIT: I forgot to mention that it's quite possible that veteran players in GW1 may be rewarded with some aesthetic advantages in GW2 over those that are entirely new to it; just like not all of us have divine aura or special dances. If Anet would do this, I don't think it's a bad idea. Still, it's just my pure speculation.

Shiro Katagari

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2007

The Frontier Wolves

R/Mo

22 Sep 2008 at 16:47 - 42

Perhaps, for an indication of the sort of thing the HoM might 'unlock' for your future selves, look at NCSoft's "Tabula Rasa" and their Veteran Rewards.

This is a collection of progressively-unlocked and untradeable items/emotes that provide no immediate gameplay advantage, but are just fun and - in some cases - minorly useful toys. Extended emotes, a flashlight, minipets, masks and a limited ability to summon a 'merchant' effect. Not game-breaking by any means, but still something that says "I've been at this for a while...." Always assuming that's something you want to advertise

Unique skins on 'high level' weapons isn't out of the question - just look at the stuff you can get in GW1 by typing /bonus (c'mon, I know most of you have CE's and pre-orders! Admit it!). I doubt, though, that these will be weapons you'd consider to be 'the best' - most likely coz so many people will have them! (I love you, Hourglass Staff, I really do! I don't care that hundreds of thousands of people have one just like I do!)

So halos, glowing wings, ghostly afterimages following us about, unique hairstyles, unique face options, fancy hats, day-glo undies, /poledance emotes, an Animal Crossing-style house we can kit out with our 'legacies', special non-armoured outfits, glowing fists, the ground burning in our wake.... all these things and more could be possible. We don't know.

But we sure get to waste a lot of time wishing we did

komma

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2007

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22 Sep 2008 at 16:50 - 43

bottom line is anet should drop a progress report on gw2....last time any new info was released on the game was the first time info was released on the game i/e may 2007

Shadowspawn X

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2005

Fellowship of Champions

R/E

22 Sep 2008 at 17:23 - 44

Quote:

Originally Posted by tmakinen

ANet has quite clearly stated that all you'll ever get out of HoM is bling. Is there anything else that one should know? Like, is it quality bling? Does that matter, bling is bling.

Everyone knows the rewards are purely cosmetic from the HoM and will not give in game advantages. However there seems to be two camps of opinion forming on this HoM thing.
The first camp is people who want their investment of time in GW1 recognized. The pve'rs in this group just want decent rewards for their thousands of hours played, they didn't ask for the game to be abandoned after 2.5 years. Then the pvp'rs in this first group want hierarchy reflected in those rewards for example a r8 and r15 hero don't get the same generic reward. These people just want to be treated fairly in my opinion.
The second camp of opinion seems to be a group of people lobbying for no one to get anything from the HoM. This camp makes endless threads QQ'ing about the HoM , many of them are never going to fill it at all but seem obsessed with minimizing the rewards for any one who bothers to put anything in the HoM. They want to see veteran players completely start at zero in GW2 with no recognition at all. So yeah its only "bling" , but no matter how small the "bling" this second group is going to be upset and frankly jealous of the "bling" and do everything they can to either get the bling handed to them as well for doing nothing or get Anet to release details of the bling so they can QQ about it in advance and hinder the implementations. As GW2 gets closer and closer I predict the people who refuse to put anything in the HoM will get louder and louder and these stupid threads will be front page on every fan site.

MStarfire

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2007

[SOS]

Rt/

22 Sep 2008 at 17:43 - 45

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shadowspawn X

The second camp of opinion seems to be a group of people lobbying for no one to get anything from the HoM. This camp makes endless threads QQ'ing about the HoM , many of them are never going to fill it at all but seem obsessed with minimizing the rewards for any one who bothers to put anything in the HoM.

Sounds like everyone who wanted the Permasin UW run nerfed.

FengShuiDove

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22 Sep 2008 at 17:58 - 46

I'm surprised no one has mentioned any other games with similar carry-over situations and proposed just how strong the bridge between other games and their sequels has been.

I don't have a diverse gaming portfolio, but I'm just surprised nobody has come up with any similarities.

My guess would be that there will be things that have notable benefit but nothing that removes the necessity to play the game to excel.

disarm76

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2005

Portugal

22 Sep 2008 at 18:52 - 47

I think the HoM reward on GW2 will be pure aesthetic.
I just hope Anet doesn't offer these rewards to new players for 5 dollars on the game store. That would be really bad.

Jecht Scye

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Dec 2005

Lucky Crickets[Luck]

N/Me

22 Sep 2008 at 20:15 - 48

I'm cool with them just being aesthetic rewards, so long as they're good aesthetic rewards. This is coming from someone with almost a full HoM by the way.

wetsparks

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2006

22 Sep 2008 at 21:03 - 49

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thargor

It really does not matter if they tell us anything or not.
There is only one thing that is guaranteed to happen when GW2 comes out, A LOT of QQ'ing.
They could give us nothing and people will cry, or they could give us a bag of everlasting plat and people will cry because they were to lazy to fill their hall.
QQ'ing is the one thing that is always guaranteed with the GW fanbase, no matter what anet does.

This right here is why I don't get mad when people say stupid shit like "GW2 isn't coming out til 2020." Part of me says I can't wait to play it, part of me says there are going to be a lot of petty people QQing about what people will get because some people put in the time to do something and they didn't. I trust what Arena Net comes up with will be fair and I have a lot of other things to do while they finalize everything.

A11Eur0

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2005

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23 Sep 2008 at 01:05 - 50

My take on the Destroyer Weapons in HoM:

Destroyer weapons are half-molten right? They look pretty junky because they're just chunks of molten magma right? Well, after 400 years of sitting in a cold Hall of Monuments in the Far Shiverpeaks, could they have cooled and contracted into nicer looking weaponry? This weaponry we can stumble across as our descendant characters find the Hall of Monuments for their ancestor(s) and take for ourselves as something totally different.

As for tormented weapons...that doesn't follow the story but I think they merely are putting them in because of all the whining and bitching from people about the ugliness of destroyer weps and the lack of prestige.

A little bit of hopeful lore

Rexion

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2007

[Luck]

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23 Sep 2008 at 01:43 - 51

They didn't have to tell us in the first place that the HoM will affect us in GW2.

So why are you instigating that they give us more voluntary information. Be happy with what you know.

A11Eur0

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2005

W/

23 Sep 2008 at 02:03 - 52

Quote:

Originally Posted by FengShuiDove

I'm surprised no one has mentioned any other games with similar carry-over situations and proposed just how strong the bridge between other games and their sequels has been.

I don't have a diverse gaming portfolio, but I'm just surprised nobody has come up with any similarities.

My guess would be that there will be things that have notable benefit but nothing that removes the necessity to play the game to excel.

The only thing I can think of is Battlefield series. I know a BF2142 account displays a BF2 logo next to the character's name if they have a linked BF2 account.

Nessar

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2008

West Siiiiiiiiiiiiiide

Gwen Has A Thing For [Pyre]

23 Sep 2008 at 02:04 - 53

As much as the suspense is killing me, I'd rather ANET wait to tell us what the HoM rewards are. If they say it now they might change some stuff and people will QQ. If they announce it like...I don't know, a week before GW2 comes out, then its set in stone per say.

I honestly just want more info about GW2 ><

draxynnic

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Nov 2005

[CRFH]

23 Sep 2008 at 02:25 - 54

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shayne Hawke

Personally, I wish I could get my mini Rollerbeetle back in GW2.

I very much doubt that's going to happen. With the amount of minis, armor sets, etc. that can be displayed and registered, I don't think ANet is going to be making exact replica or one-to-one rewards for things put into the HoM.

Depends on just how different the engine is and the models are. It's possible that all it might need is a few tweaks to the existing work for them to fit into GW2 nicely. And one could at least imagine that the artists might be proud enough of some of the stuff to be willing to go to that effort to keep it 'current'.

Yawgmoth

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2005

23 Sep 2008 at 02:41 - 55

I don't care what I will get in GW2 at all. It will all be stuff to show that:
"I played GW1, yay!"
"I was rich in GW1"
"I collected minipets in GW1"
etc...

What I would like to know however is: What counts and what doesn't for the bonuses in GW2, whatever they are.
While there's a lot of time left, I'd like to get as much as I can, but I'd hate to know I wasted several hundreds hours or a couple million gold on something that won't get recognized in GW2 at all.

Lucia

Academy Page

Join Date: Dec 2006

W/

23 Sep 2008 at 05:20 - 56

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yawgmoth

What I would like to know however is: What counts and what doesn't for the bonuses in GW2, whatever they are.
While there's a lot of time left, I'd like to get as much as I can, but I'd hate to know I wasted several hundreds hours or a couple million gold on something that won't get recognized in GW2 at all.

This sums up the reason why I started this thread.

Luminarus

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Join Date: Aug 2007

Sydney, Australia

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23 Sep 2008 at 06:17 - 57

I dont want them to release every detail about the game, just enough to justify 1.5 years of work. They had a 'big' Q&A a couple of months ago, and released.... the same stuff they said 1.5 years ago.

Considering that in the last year there hasnt been that much game breaking update... (yay 10 new weapons, and mox, and skill updates). This suggests that they have been mostly working on gw2, yet nothing about that has come out... plz...

kratimas

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Dec 2005

Order of the Setting Sun

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23 Sep 2008 at 11:34 - 58

Quote:

Originally Posted by Luminarus

I dont want them to release every detail about the game, just enough to justify 1.5 years of work. They had a 'big' Q&A a couple of months ago, and released.... the same stuff they said 1.5 years ago.

...

If you use the words "justify" and "work" in a sentence about a game you are supposed to play for fun, something is terribly wrong.

the lesser

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Sep 2007

Orlando, Florida

[LNS]

23 Sep 2008 at 12:33 - 59

i havent been keeping up with all the other posts before this one i just wanted to throw this in from the wiki, speaking on my earlier post.

According to PC Gamer (May 2007), "special weapons you earned in Guild Wars 1 may be in a display case in your Hall of Monuments, and your Guild Wars 2 characters will be able to take them out and use them."

Quote:

Originally Posted by kratimas

If you use the words "justify" and "work" in a sentence about a game you are supposed to play for fun, something is terribly wrong.

i dont know about terribly wrong, i play hard and work hard on all of my hobbies and my main hobby is games. it might be terribly wrong for you, but they dont call us "hardcore gamers" for nothing.

zwei2stein

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Jun 2006

Europe

The German Order [GER]

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23 Sep 2008 at 12:45 - 60

Quote:

Originally Posted by the lesser

i dont know about terribly wrong, i play hard and work hard on all of my hobbies and my main hobby is games. it might be terribly wrong for you, but they dont call us "hardcore gamers" for nothing.

If you say that you want to "justify X years of gameplay" that sounds like one was not really playing game as just pasttime/hobby and fun thing to do but more that you regret wasting so much time on it and expecting at least something in return.

Dunno exact term but "Addiction regrets" springs to mind.

Kusandaa

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2006

N/Mo

23 Sep 2008 at 13:34 - 61

I go through phases. Every now and then I feel like working on titles, then not... then again...

- When I don't want to work on titles, I don't. It's a game, I play for fun, if I don't have fun I either don't play or do something else. I'm currently in this phase and I found other stuff to do than my HoM.

- When I want to work on titles... I do. I can be pretty effing effective and get heavy farming done in a relatively short time. So when I want to do that... you bet I'm having fun.

I mean, why bothering with stuff you don't wanna do when it's a passtime? ('Cause GW's my passtime between university, my husband duties -lol- and sleep).

the lesser

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Sep 2007

Orlando, Florida

[LNS]

23 Sep 2008 at 15:05 - 62

Quote:

Originally Posted by zwei2stein

If you say that you want to "justify X years of gameplay" that sounds like one was not really playing game as just pasttime/hobby and fun thing to do but more that you regret wasting so much time on it and expecting at least something in return.

Dunno exact term but "Addiction regrets" springs to mind.

i dont really follow?

did you mean to quote me or Luminarus?

either way i think this thread is drifting.

TwinRaven

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2005

W/

23 Sep 2008 at 17:12 - 63

Life is unfair...boo-freakin'-hoo. Can we stop with the damned bitch threads about a game that is years away? It's just as unfair for the folks at Marvel to not release the story or villians that will appear in Spiderman 4 (also slated for 2010, i think)! Wait and see, quit whining, go outside and play...jeez.

Knightsaber Sith

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Aug 2006

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W/E

23 Sep 2008 at 20:17 - 64

Quote:

Originally Posted by TwinRaven

It's just as unfair for the folks at Marvel to not release the story or villians that will appear in Spiderman 4 (also slated for 2010, i think)! Wait and see, quit whining, go outside and play...jeez.

Except Marvel just licensed the Spiderman IP; they have little involvement in the actual production of the movies. Iron Man, The Incredible Hulk, and Punisher: Warzone were the first movies Marvel actually made themselves.

N1ghtstalker

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2007

E/

25 Sep 2008 at 09:15 - 65

i think we'll just get some kind of HoM displaying the achievements of your previous char
like if i get my ele back in GW2 (hopefully same name D

then i'll get my HoM with my achievements and titles back

R_Frost

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2006

California

Me/

26 Sep 2008 at 06:34 - 66

Quote:

Originally Posted by kratimas

Who cares what you get? If you have nothing better to do with your time then "fill" your HoM then that is your choice. You are not going to get anything that gives you an advantage over other players.

So, if you feel that grinding for hours and hours and hours and hours and..... for a skin is worth using your time then have at it, but please stop creating stupid threads saying ANet needs to let us know blah blah blah. Its your choice "Make it and deal with it!"

It really is that simple!

QFT..........roflmao.........yeah anyone expecting something uber leet may as well quit now and uninstall guild wars. whatever is transfered into GW2 will probably customized to the character or account too in order to prevent people from taking advantage of GW2 noobs who never played GW1. when i need a good laugh i go read the GWAMM thread here. all those people who dedicated their time on one character and rushed out to get GWAMM with GW2 still a long time off and the impending changes coming to the HoM.

Heloniar

Academy Page

Join Date: Aug 2008

A New Day Dawns [HOPE]

W/P

26 Sep 2008 at 16:44 - 67

the jokey might be on those who laugh at us "fools who grind for gwamm, gwamm in itself is a title and it's the "king of all titles, who knows what having gwamm itself might give us?

Vamis Threen

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2006

E/Mo

26 Sep 2008 at 17:05 - 68

I filled my HoM, because I wanted to. I'm not expecting anything fantastic in GW2, my prediction is it will be /bonus weapons and novelty skins, and if GW1 players do get anything useful like a PvE skill or a hero, there will be another way for GW2-only players to get it.

If building your HoM is a challenge you want to take up, then go for your life. But don't fill it up on the basis of inferred promises about a non-existent game. That's more like a Hall of Resentment.

Edit: Sorry, went all philosophical there.

N1ghtstalker

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2007

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26 Sep 2008 at 17:43 - 69

i just hope we can keep our HoM for GW2
that way we can say: "look, this is my Hall of Monuments i made as a Guild wars 1 player with my achievements in it"

Solas

Desert Nomad

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Ireland

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26 Sep 2008 at 19:53 - 70

Quote:

Originally Posted by N1ghtstalker

i just hope we can keep our HoM for GW2
that way we can say: "look, this is my Hall of Monuments i made as a Guild wars 1 player with my achievements in it"

aye same, i just hope after the release of GW2 Ncwest doon't screw over the titles, you know make then alot easier to attain as in lower rank tiers etc.
as some sort of incentive for new Gw2 players to buy Gw1.

not sure its plausible but just a theory

Koudelka

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2007

England

The Khaotic Empire (TKE)

Me/Mo

28 Sep 2008 at 14:51 - 71

I have top-secret information from Arenanet.

We do indeed get bling. Bling styled skills!
http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/2...sspartafd9.png
http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/5...advanceah9.jpg
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/3...yisminesh6.jpg

*Serious* I don't mind them taking their time. Also, quite frankly, we don't know anything that they don't tell us.

Quote:

husband's duties -lol-

Meow. I wouldn't mind those sort of "duties"... unless it's grocery shopping or something xP.

Laughing Bat

Academy Page

Join Date: Nov 2007

Texas

[HoNk]

Me/

29 Sep 2008 at 04:50 - 72

Quote:

Originally Posted by Heloniar

the jokey might be on those who laugh at us "fools who grind for gwamm, gwamm in itself is a title and it's the "king of all titles, who knows what having gwamm itself might give us?

Well I know that its something that gaile compared to the 1st year xmas hats lol. Congrats on gwamm though, assuming you enjoyed doing it.

Lykan

Forge Runner

Join Date: May 2005

StP

R/

29 Sep 2008 at 11:12 - 73

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lucia

We all know that the Hall of Monuments (HoM) is the bridge between GW1 and GW2. Many players have played GW1 for years and are now stopping since they feel that they have "exhausted" the game. Many others are still playing and focusing on preparing for GW2 by expanding their HoM.

And now comes the problem. No one really knows what exactly each statue in the HoM will actually provide in GW2 (I believe that Anet themselves haven't yet decided). As far as I know, there has been a message that each weapon displayed in the HoM will be available in GW2 but I don't know if this is official or not.

displaying some statues requires an incredible amount of work and funds, specifically, obtaining and dedicating rare minipets (such as Yeti, Oni, Naga, Beetle, Zhed, etc.). Therefore, a very important question is:

Will dedicated minis be available in explorable areas and towns in GW2 or will they just be displayed in the HoM in GW2?

I know that this is not a democracy, and that Anet can do whatever they like. Nevertheless, I think that it is unfair that Anet are taking their time to decide and notify players of the HoM capacity in GW2. The mechanism has been introduced, utilizing it requires a lot of time and funds and the capacity of HoM in GW2 will directly affect each players decision as to if and how they want to fill their HoM. I also think that the past has shown that if enough people express their interest in something, Anet usually tries to help.

Opinions?

Pretty sure they probably don't even know themselves yet. I'm betting the main part of their work is currently on the gameplay and graphics, more than likely any bonus items and special weapons will be one of the last things on their list. And therefore one of the last things the will release info on.