Why not N/Mo in Sabway?

Both are good, I tend to run a standard WoH hybrid Necro/Monk quite a lot of the time.

WoH
Patient Spirit/Dwayna's Kiss
Dismiss Condition
Remove Hex
SoA/PS
Aegis
SolS
Restore Life

But then again as a warrior I do miss Splinter weapon.

~A Leprechaun~ Since I mostly play with my girl, we generally run 2 of those. Sometimes the elite gets changed to something like LoD or Divert hexes.

Monk skills are way less powerful without divine favor. rit skills dont need it, they jusnt need some crazy energy managment. plus you can get heal and prot in one attribute. Sounds great in theory, but when you actually look at the numbers, you have faster casting, higher heals, and Prot Spirit. The NRt doesn't compete unless you're bringing Splinter Weapon.

Sounds great in theory, but when you actually look at the numbers, you have faster casting, higher heals, and Prot Spirit. The N/Rt doesn't compete unless you're bringing Splinter Weapon. 99% of Sabway builds bring Aegis and Prot Spirit on the bomber so that's a mute point.

Personally I find the N/Rit far more versatile covering prot/condition removal/spammable heals/rez/armor bonus and offense all on the same bar at acceptable potency.Monks simply can't bring that much to the table and while they may be able to heal for more whats the point if it's overkill?

I tend to find the AI handles the N/Rit bar better than it does monks and I also found monks tend to get targeted WAY more than my rit ever has although that's speculative comment after minimal testing.

N/Mo's are all good, I use them every now and then especially in hex heavy areas, but the trend and popularity of the N/Rit speaks for itself, all opinions aside.People have already worked out the numbers.

Monk skills are way less powerful without divine favor. rit skills dont need it, they jusnt need some crazy energy managment. plus you can get heal and prot in one attribute.
"Oh noes my WoH only healz for 188 health, I wish I had the +32 health from DF, if only."
With the power of WoH you don't need Divine Favor.

~A Leprechaun~

"Oh noes my WoH only healz for 188 health, I wish I had the +32 health from DF, if only."
With the power of WoH you don't need Divine Favor. I was talking more about RoF. it's still the greatest monking skill in the game.

I don't think Aegis is a good idea on the Bomber, but that's more of a personal opinion than having to do with effectiveness. However, it never hurts to have an additional copy of Prot Spirit/Spirit Bond, and even if you did want to exclude yourself to one, you receive a free skill slot on the bomber. I highly doubt that secondary professions are taken into account by the targeting AI. Monk heals are more spammable and hex removal actually exists.

NRt prot is a joke, Xunlai's Weapon reduces the damage from one hit, and it must be microed continuously. Weapon of Shadow is nice, but it can only be maintained half the time, and has an enormous recharge. The problem is that people haven't worked the numbers. Take the following bar (Probably far from optimal, I just made it up):

12 Heal 11+1+1 SR 6 Prot
Healer's Boon, Orison, Patient Spirit, Protective Spirit, Shield of Absorption, Cure Hex/Remove Hex, Heal Party, Vengeance

Patient is a practically instant cast 153 point heal (vs Spirit Light 156 with chance to sacrifice 17%), Orison is a 90 point 1/2 cast heal(vs 96 MBaS), Shield of Absorption is (in my opinion) the best prot in HM and you have a far stronger party heal.

You lose +24 armor and an unstoppable guardian. You gain more healing, faster casting healing (completely avoid the cancel glitch), Hex Removal, and strong prots. This isn't even taking WoH into account which is probably far stronger than HB. RoF is a great skill in PvP, in PvE you're far more likely to catch a 17 damage sword swing. WoH and the incredible healing power it boasts are far superior to anything RoF will do for you in PvE. If your hero isn't below 50%, you give them a strong 105 point heal every three seconds, if they're below 50%, they get a 200 point heal. Player and heroes alike perform just as well no matter what their health is (provided it isn't 0) and there's no reason to keep them above 50% unless they're in danger of being spiked down.

The only reason to use an NRt is to abuse Splinter Weapon and rely on MM Prot. If you aren't running a physical based build, there's no reason to have Splinter Weapon and no reason to run an NRt. NMo has at least equal healing potential if not more, and better utility. It is not just the amount of hp healed, you have to look at the amount healed per unit of energy. You cant just add HB which you need to recast every 10s while pretending that it is totally free. Even with Soul Reaping it is still possible to get your N/Mo into low energy if your team is in trouble because monk spells are more expensive.

While comparing MBaS against Orison, you also ignored the fact that MBaS removes 1 condition per spirit besides just healing. In a team build with both Life and Recovery (e.g. Discordway), MBaS heals for 96 heath and removes 2 conditions at the same time. Spirit Light also does not need to sac health if a spirit is close by. Orison only heals for 60 health and needs HB to move it up to 90 heals, which takes up an elite spot and assumming no enchant stripping. Spirit Light heals for 156 health for the same energy cost of patient spirit's 102 heal and you dont need to wait for 2s for the heal to come. Heal Party is 15e for 66 heal, PwK is 10e for 70 heal and +24 armor.

Splinter is not a healing spell so it shouldn't even be in the comparison table and we already have PS/Aegis and other protection spells covered by another N/Mo. You need to give a fair comparison otherwise your argument is just not convincing.

Necs spec'ing into prot are completely different but still effective - I still use them alot in some areas. You shouldn't bring Prots into the comparison because there is already another N/Mo that is specced to prot. If you spec another N/Mo to go hybrid, then you can't have as high a SR.

Also like I have already said, 2 reasons to use a N/Mo rather than a N/Rt are prots and hex removal.

If you are comparing heals and condition removal, then N/Rt is better for longer fight since their healing spells cost less. N/Mo heal spells maybe able to spike heal for alot with HB, but they are like the 100m sprinters who may not be the best marathon runners in a longer fight.

You don't really need a high level in Soul Reaping for it to be effective. Even so, there are not many good prot spells that heroes use well, so I haven't found a need to include both a protector N/Mo + a hybrid N/Mo in the same team build. And I prefer to max my healing attribute anyway but 2 hybrids may still work well especially in a 6-heroes team.