Just wanted to point out that you really don't need 2 Healer's Boon monks in a balanced pug. I can't count how many groups stalled, then broke up waiting for 2 HB monks for a Norn point farm this weekend.
Reasons you don't need 2 HB monks:
1) In a pug, there's a good chance the monks will be overhealing or healing the same target
2) Without Ursan, max health really isn't high enough to warrant 2 HB's
3) A prot monk can go a long way toward making the heal monk irrelevant, especially in a physical-heavy area.
So, a heal/prot combo > 2 HB monks in an average pug.
Note to PUGs: Re: HB Monks
Parson Brown
Haxor
RE: Trolling
It sucks.
(OT: I always use one heal, one prot. It's far more efficient in the great majority of the game. Less damage = less healing = more health for you.)
It sucks.
(OT: I always use one heal, one prot. It's far more efficient in the great majority of the game. Less damage = less healing = more health for you.)
HawkofStorms
Yeah, prot is good. But try telling bad PUGs that. PUGs want stuff with big numbers, big damage/big heals.
Prot or shutdown/hexer builds will never appeal to the pug mentality.
Prot or shutdown/hexer builds will never appeal to the pug mentality.
zwei2stein
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OT: I always use one heal, one prot. It's far more efficient in the great majority of the game. Less damage = less healing = more health for you.
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OP: Sorry, but if someone was not convinced about value of prot in 3 years of existence of this game, this thread ain't gonna do it.
SmokingHotImolation
PROTTING IS GOOD LOLWTF?!??!
The reason pugs want HB is because its the most efficient build, compared to how easy it is to run.
Serious groups dont run it.
The reason pugs want HB is because its the most efficient build, compared to how easy it is to run.
Serious groups dont run it.
Lord Sojar
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Originally Posted by zwei2stein
Sorry, but if someone was not convinced about value of prot in 3 years of existence of this game, this thread ain't gonna do it.
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The truth in your statement is bewildering small children. You should refrain from posting the cold honest truth. It scares people.
Lest121
To OP, it's not about Prot vs heals it's about the player, some people suck as monks, others good, so far I have had good runs with VERY GOOD HB Monks.
Tyla
There is no such thing as a "good HB Monk". All you do is buttonmash your heals.
As for the topic at hand, the PuGs will not read this most probably. Not to mention this is commonly known among people who aren't terribad.
As for the topic at hand, the PuGs will not read this most probably. Not to mention this is commonly known among people who aren't terribad.
Age
Pugs don't read forums much at all unless it is for farming or price checks.I know some who plays Monk well and went HB for ursan UW clears.I actually got thier build but that is what all this person used it for Ursan Groups.
Miska Bow
Why on earth would you want to PuG in the first place? o.O
Triple necro with 3 dmg henchies + 1 prot monk hench is plenty enough most of the time.
With a friend we steam rolled trough Faction vanquishing all of it with 6 necros and we are both rangers spamming barrage+volley. And we did the same for all of the area in EOTN. Just need to fiddle a bit with the builds and you're in business.
PuGs are bad most of the time so dont waste time trying to do stuff with them.
Triple necro with 3 dmg henchies + 1 prot monk hench is plenty enough most of the time.
With a friend we steam rolled trough Faction vanquishing all of it with 6 necros and we are both rangers spamming barrage+volley. And we did the same for all of the area in EOTN. Just need to fiddle a bit with the builds and you're in business.
PuGs are bad most of the time so dont waste time trying to do stuff with them.
Da Rk Bl Ad E
Tip no.1 of Build Warz :
Pugs are NOT your friends, avoid them at all costs.
Pugs are NOT your friends, avoid them at all costs.
maraxusofk
lol this is funny. it is like i stepped back 3 years ago for pvp, but this time it is ppl in pve saying 2 heal =/= 1 heal 1 prot. go figure.
Age
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Originally Posted by Miska Bow
Why on earth would you want to PuG in the first place? o.O
Triple necro with 3 dmg henchies + 1 prot monk hench is plenty enough most of the time. With a friend we steam rolled trough Faction vanquishing all of it with 6 necros and we are both rangers spamming barrage+volley. And we did the same for all of the area in EOTN. Just need to fiddle a bit with the builds and you're in business. PuGs are bad most of the time so dont waste time trying to do stuff with them. |
shru
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Originally Posted by Parson Brown
Just wanted to point out that you really don't need 2 Healer's Boon monks in a balanced pug. I can't count how many groups stalled, then broke up waiting for 2 HB monks for a Norn point farm this weekend.
Reasons you don't need 2 HB monks: 1) In a pug, there's a good chance the monks will be overhealing or healing the same target 2) Without Ursan, max health really isn't high enough to warrant 2 HB's 3) A prot monk can go a long way toward making the heal monk irrelevant, especially in a physical-heavy area. So, a heal/prot combo > 2 HB monks in an average pug. |
Do you think people gravitate to these builds because they're stupid, slow-to-adapt morons that won't give up ursan habits, or because people generally flock to the best, strongest, most efficient, most innovative builds that truly test their skills as a gamer? Seriously think about it, are you really trying to suggest that any average GW player, hell any average person in the world, is dumbfoundingly stupid?
If you think prot monk is going to outclass a 2nd HB, you're sorely mistaken... But maybe you're the kind of person that would even promote hybrid monk builds as well...
Well let me hit you with a little slice of GW logic here. Look, it's a pretty damn simple concept to grasp, so it's no wonder that the majority of the community has caught on, leaving people like you in the dust. If the red bar isn't going up, then the monk isn't worth his party spot.
There. Done. Simple as that.
Prot monks aren't pushing redbars, so their spot is better off reserved for an HB that can actually show some visable benefits. And if you try to argue with that, you’re arguing with the collective consensus of the GW population, as evident by the current practice of running two HB monks in the norn point farm.
Cargan
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Originally Posted by shru
Prot monks aren't pushing redbars, so their spot is better off reserved for an HB that can actually show some visable benefits. And if you try to argue with that, you’re arguing with the collective consensus of the GW population, as evident by the current practice of running two HB monks in the norn point farm.
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Think of it in real life terms. Would you rather have a policeman (prot) stop you getting stabbed or just a doctor (heal) to just help after you've been stabbed? Stopping damage > than fixing it. Of course, humans have evolved longer than 3 years of GW, so we have both healers and protectors because it's not possible to protect against all damage.
Sort of arguing with the collective consensus of the world.
shru
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Originally Posted by Cargan
Help me here, I really can't tell if you're being serious or not.
Think of it in real life terms. Would you rather have a policeman (prot) stop you getting stabbed or just a doctor (heal) to just help after you've been stabbed? Stopping damage > than fixing it. Of course, humans have evolved longer than 3 years of GW, so we have both healers and protectors because it's not possible to protect against all damage. Sort of arguing with the collective consensus of the world. |
Therefor 2 HB healers > 1 healer/1 prot (like I said before)
Rhamia Darigaz
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Originally Posted by Rahja the Thief
The truth in your statement is bewildering small children. You should refrain from posting the cold honest truth. It scares people.
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A11Eur0
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Originally Posted by shru
Think about who gets payed more (policeman or doctor) and you'll understand who is the most important.
Therefor 2 HB healers > 1 healer/1 prot (like I said before) |
Keeping bars from dropping is better than relying on reactions to push them back up. Because spikes happen.
Dante the Warlord
Its really because its much more common to find an HB, if i were a group member i would rather find a healer quick and then go since HB monk bars are easy to find and its rare to find a prot monk without a completely terrible build they just made..
Kerwyn Nasilan
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Originally Posted by shru
What are you kidding me?
Do you think people gravitate to these builds because they're stupid, slow-to-adapt morons that won't give up ursan habits, or because people generally flock to the best, strongest, most efficient, most innovative builds that truly test their skills as a gamer? Seriously think about it, are you really trying to suggest that any average GW player, hell any average person in the world, is dumbfoundingly stupid? If you think prot monk is going to outclass a 2nd HB, you're sorely mistaken... But maybe you're the kind of person that would even promote hybrid monk builds as well... Well let me hit you with a little slice of GW logic here. Look, it's a pretty damn simple concept to grasp, so it's no wonder that the majority of the community has caught on, leaving people like you in the dust. If the red bar isn't going up, then the monk isn't worth his party spot. There. Done. Simple as that. Prot monks aren't pushing redbars, so their spot is better off reserved for an HB that can actually show some visable benefits. And if you try to argue with that, you’re arguing with the collective consensus of the GW population, as evident by the current practice of running two HB monks in the norn point farm. |
But I would agree that most GW players think along the lines of this person... Preventing damage is > than healing it, Plus when you get to the point where pve where there is ridiculously high amounts of damage you really cant just heal it unless you have truly talented monks and some luck. If you say thats what ursan did then look at the fact that Ursan had a built in prot monk, and extra 40 some odd armor. Plus reducing a 300 damage attack to 5 is a mitigation of 295 damage one hell of a heal, and that is not even how high it can go.
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you remind me of house for some reason
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Star Gazer
what are these "protection" skills you speak of. anywho
lfg 5 ursans +2HBS to go!
lfg 5 ursans +2HBS to go!
Spazzer
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Originally Posted by shru
What are you kidding me?
Do you think people gravitate to these builds because they're stupid, slow-to-adapt morons that won't give up ursan habits, or because people generally flock to the best, strongest, most efficient, most innovative builds that truly test their skills as a gamer? Seriously think about it, are you really trying to suggest that any average GW player, hell any average person in the world, is dumbfoundingly stupid? If you think prot monk is going to outclass a 2nd HB, you're sorely mistaken... But maybe you're the kind of person that would even promote hybrid monk builds as well... Well let me hit you with a little slice of GW logic here. Look, it's a pretty damn simple concept to grasp, so it's no wonder that the majority of the community has caught on, leaving people like you in the dust. If the red bar isn't going up, then the monk isn't worth his party spot. There. Done. Simple as that. Prot monks aren't pushing redbars, so their spot is better off reserved for an HB that can actually show some visable benefits. And if you try to argue with that, you’re arguing with the collective consensus of the GW population, as evident by the current practice of running two HB monks in the norn point farm. |
Hahaha
Daenara
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Originally Posted by shru
What are you kidding me?
If the red bar isn't going up, then the monk isn't worth his party spot. There. Done. Simple as that. Prot monks aren't pushing redbars, so their spot is better off reserved for an HB that can actually show some visable benefits. And if you try to argue with that, you’re arguing with the collective consensus of the GW population, as evident by the current practice of running two HB monks in the norn point farm. |
The reason people use two HB's is because it is easier to pick up someone who can spam GoLE + Heal party on recharge, than someone who can prot effectively. If you're in a PUG, planning on a worst case scenario (ie, a monk who can't prot) it's a FAILSAFE to have them run HB. Not better. Not more effective. Look, it's been proven so many times that prot>heal that I suggest you go look through some of the earlier posts on the monk forums. It was figured it out long ago... but I am assuming from your comments that you do not monk.
Rothan Celt
your right there is no need for 2 Hb monks.
I also like the fact that anyone who have played with Pugs is infact a PuG themselves there are good ones out there >.>
I also like the fact that anyone who have played with Pugs is infact a PuG themselves there are good ones out there >.>
glacialphoenix
No, there's no need for 2 HB monks, and it's also really, really inefficient considering that people don't have the armor + health afforded to them by Ursan anymore.
On the other hand, it had the same attraction as Ursan. Press button, watch health go up! I'll also say that a lot of the people who cannot accept anything but HB probably don't monk much.
On the other hand, it had the same attraction as Ursan. Press button, watch health go up! I'll also say that a lot of the people who cannot accept anything but HB probably don't monk much.
Div
shru summed up my arguments. It's clearly more important to visibly see your heals than to actually be useful and effective. It's kinda like how it's more important that I have an uncustomized eternal blade than a customized long sword for my warrior because skins > usefulness.
daze
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What are you kidding me?
Do you think people gravitate to these builds because they're stupid, slow-to-adapt morons that won't give up ursan habits, |
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Originally Posted by shru
Seriously think about it, are you really trying to suggest that any average GW player, hell any average person in the world, is dumbfoundingly stupid?
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I decided not to comment on the rest of your post because you are probably have too much to worry about without people giving you a hard time for saying silly things. (like "where is my helmet?" or "who took my drool cloth?")
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Keeping bars from dropping is better than relying on reactions to push them back up. Because spikes happen.
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Loot Junkie
How come shru gets a helmet and a drool cloth and i don't? Damn this game is unfair!
kazjun
Eh? You run fine with one monk and Dunkoro. No reason a group should break up just cause of lack of monks...
daze
I thought N/Rt took over the role of monk anyways.
cataphract
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Originally Posted by shru
Seriously think about it, are you really trying to suggest that any average GW player, hell any average person in the world, is dumbfoundingly stupid?
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jackerduud
Screw monks, Weapon of Xinrae N/Rt is how we roll.
Rakim B
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Originally Posted by shru
Think about who gets payed more (policeman or doctor) and you'll understand who is the most important.
Therefor 2 HB healers > 1 healer/1 prot (like I said before) |
if that isn't grade A trolling I don't know what is
byteme!
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Originally Posted by shru
What are you kidding me?
Do you think people gravitate to these builds because they're stupid, slow-to-adapt morons that won't give up ursan habits, or because people generally flock to the best, strongest, most efficient, most innovative builds that truly test their skills as a gamer? Seriously think about it, are you really trying to suggest that any average GW player, hell any average person in the world, is dumbfoundingly stupid? If you think prot monk is going to outclass a 2nd HB, you're sorely mistaken... But maybe you're the kind of person that would even promote hybrid monk builds as well... Well let me hit you with a little slice of GW logic here. Look, it's a pretty damn simple concept to grasp, so it's no wonder that the majority of the community has caught on, leaving people like you in the dust. If the red bar isn't going up, then the monk isn't worth his party spot. There. Done. Simple as that. Prot monks aren't pushing redbars, so their spot is better off reserved for an HB that can actually show some visable benefits. And if you try to argue with that, you’re arguing with the collective consensus of the GW population, as evident by the current practice of running two HB monks in the norn point farm. |
zelgadissan
Divine's posts always make me smile.
There is no need for 2 HB monks. There is no need for 1 HB monk. There is no need for HB in 99.99% of the game and the only reason I'm neglecting the .01% is because I'm sure somebody knows more about the game. Certainly not shru.
There is no need for 2 HB monks. There is no need for 1 HB monk. There is no need for HB in 99.99% of the game and the only reason I'm neglecting the .01% is because I'm sure somebody knows more about the game. Certainly not shru.
Skyy High
Jesus christ, stop replying to shru, it's painfully obvious he was being sarcastic / trolling for lulz.
Numa Pompilius
I've not tried - do heroes run HB bars well? It seems to me that team-healing don't require much in the way of thinking, so unless heroes have issues with these skills they should run it almost as well as a human.
Ate of DK
It's incredible to see that many pugs don't use a prot monk.
Lately I joined a Hell's Precipe team and they had 3 healers. (I saw a Healer's Boon and 2 unyielding aura monks)
When I tanked the opponents with my 605hp warrior I dropped dead really fast. They couldn't hold me. I asked why there was no protmonk.
"Prots get stripped!" the monk answers annoyed while spamming healing breeze and maintaining Healer's Boon...
So yeah... PuG's are just dumb in general. Play to have a good laugh and then finish Hell's precipe yourself with 5 wariors, 1 paragon and Mhenlo and Lina under 30min.
1 Healer and 1 Prot FTW
Lately I joined a Hell's Precipe team and they had 3 healers. (I saw a Healer's Boon and 2 unyielding aura monks)
When I tanked the opponents with my 605hp warrior I dropped dead really fast. They couldn't hold me. I asked why there was no protmonk.
"Prots get stripped!" the monk answers annoyed while spamming healing breeze and maintaining Healer's Boon...
So yeah... PuG's are just dumb in general. Play to have a good laugh and then finish Hell's precipe yourself with 5 wariors, 1 paragon and Mhenlo and Lina under 30min.
1 Healer and 1 Prot FTW
Krill
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What are you kidding me?
Do you think people gravitate to these builds because they're stupid, slow-to-adapt morons that won't give up ursan habits |
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Originally Posted by shru
...or because people generally flock to the best, strongest, most efficient, most innovative builds that truly test their skills as a gamer?
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Not that prot monk is incredibly difficult to play in PvE but seriously, all you do with HB is red bar up. If you find that challenging maybe it's time to go back to something like Uncle Wiggily or Candyland, you know, skill based games.
Damian979
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Originally Posted by shru
If you think prot monk is going to outclass a 2nd HB, you're sorely mistaken... But maybe you're the kind of person that would even promote hybrid monk builds as well...
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Ohhhh man that's some priceless stuff there. Almost spilled my coffee on that one.
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Originally Posted by shru
If the red bar isn't going up, then the monk isn't worth his party spot.
There. Done. Simple as that. |
Here's a little slice of logic for you. If the red bars don't go down, they don't need to go back up.