A friend of mine did. Heres wat he thinks Happens.
This is happening as a Guest at Hall.
Person A Trades 1 Ecto
Person B Trades 1 ZKey
Person A who wants to Scam takes (long) time to accept. person B sees what hes getting and decides to press Accept still waiting for Person A to Accept.
Somewhere DURING This Time. Person A Revokes the Guest. Switches the Item to a Random material and Somehow Manages for it to go through. It Trades then the person is kicked immidiatly and is Left with a Random Material instead of what he or she was really trading for.
This is an Exploit Ob for this should not happen.
Warning To Traders
Nightmare_Pwn
romeus petrus
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i faced same kind of problem yesterday. i was selling armbrace in kamadan when this guy whisps me and gives guest invitation to his GH. i go to GH and press trade with him. it takes pretty long from him to add 50 ectos to trade and press submit. (dont know if this matters something) i had inventory open whole time. i press accept, then he press accept and fast removes my guest invitation. i saw ectos in my inventory like 1-2 seconds before i get mapped back to kamadan. when im in kamadan my 50 ectos have changed to 50 wood planks. and im 100% sure it was showing ectos both on trade and my inventory before mapping back to kamadan.
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Until this is fixed we should be careful when trading >100k worth of stuff, esp armbraces:
1) Do not do the trade in anyone's GH
2) if he takes too long to show the ectos, or has trouble doing it, he's prolly a scammer.
3) Do not accept the trade of any brace until the other party accepts and the trade window says xx ectos
This has to be the worst trade exploit since the duping exploit. Anet better be working on fixing this as a top emergency.
MirkoTeran
Similar thing as year and a half ago... This is bad.
Kamara
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Did anyone try to replicate this bug/exploit/whatever? If so,what was the result?
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Because they were seen to be using the exploit they got hit with a ban that, at the time, was labelled as a perma-ban. After a few days of back-and-forthing with Support and the like they *did* get the ban revoked because they were innocent and just trying to be helpful.
So word of caution to anyone out there trying to duplicate this in the name of reporting it -- Be careful. Don't willynilly go trying to mass trade an armbrace you have amongst yourselves as it may look suspicious.
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Also, yike O_o; this is pretty big.
Pleikki
This should be moved to bug section imo.
fenix
It shouldn't, this is more of a "warning, don't trade for X" as opposed to "this is a bug, I'll post it in the Bug Section so ANet will never see it".
Anyway, this can be avoided by just waiting for the other person to hit accept, no?
Anyway, this can be avoided by just waiting for the other person to hit accept, no?
bsoltan
Well if there was a similar exploit before hopefully that means that this one can be closed off quickly. In the mean time I guess people have to be extra carefull.
Jensy
I'd vote against a move to bugs. I mean, who visits bugs? >_>
We need this to stay in a prominent spot, so it can be quickly spotted by Regina or someone else who can fix the damn thing.
We need this to stay in a prominent spot, so it can be quickly spotted by Regina or someone else who can fix the damn thing.
vdz
Damn this is nasty and should be fixed.
However i dont see why you would trade in the GH of your buyer/seller >.>
It seems that's the only way to activate this trade bug so dont sell
any stuff in your buyer/seller's GH i guess.
However i dont see why you would trade in the GH of your buyer/seller >.>
It seems that's the only way to activate this trade bug so dont sell
any stuff in your buyer/seller's GH i guess.
komma
i have to say that i've noticed trades myself taking an unusual amount of time in the last few days....i have only been buying skulls, but it almost seems like a lag or delay issue.
i dont understand how items such as ecto and armbraces turn to wood however.
i dont understand how items such as ecto and armbraces turn to wood however.
Sjeng
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I meant before hitting submit,like changing an arm brace for a piece of wood right as you hit enter,no clue how you would do it but i was just saying it could have possibly ben how s/he did it.
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Just speculation, probably wrong, as you both say you SAW the item in your inventory, but upon being kicked it changed into wood...
I recently bought an armbrace myself, I think I remember being invited to a GH for that as well, and I also remember being kicked out rather quickly after the trade. But I still have my 'brace sitting safely in my Xunlai storage.
(Just can't remember if that GH trade/kick was for the 'brace or something else...)
I hope anet fixes this FAST!!
M1h4iL
Thanks for the heads up.
NoXiFy
Comon people... upload the dang screenshot without the name!
BuD
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Comon people... upload the dang screenshot without the name!
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Kashrlyyk
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I'd vote against a move to bugs. I mean, who visits bugs? >_>
We need this to stay in a prominent spot, so it can be quickly spotted by Regina or someone else who can fix the damn thing. |
Kamara
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Comon people... upload the dang screenshot without the name!
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"X traded you 1 wood plank.
You traded X 40 Zaishen Keys."
Not missing much
romeus petrus
Keep in this forum; this is more of an exploit than a bug, and deserves the most visibility. It should be handled as a priority over anything else currently being in the works.
Arkantos
It's not being moved to the bugs forum. This is a warning in a high traffic forum, not a bug report in a low traffic forum.
makosi
So is it safe to trade in an ordinary town? And should I avoid going to peoples' halls to trade?
romeus petrus
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So is it safe to trade in an ordinary town? And should I avoid going to peoples' halls to trade?
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FoxBat
Tried to say it before, but I doubt the scammers are actually swapping in wood. The item data is getting corrupted and wood is just the default when that happens.
Lady Syve
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Tried to say it before, but I doubt the scammers are actually swapping in wood. The item data is getting corrupted and wood is just the default when that happens.
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Shursh
i would say that is correct as well, since both people in this thread that have had this happen to them were traded wood planks...and odd choice/coincidence if it were left up to two different scammers.
but yea, this is a serious problem and hopefully everyone who has read this thread will warn others in your guild who don't visit guru to stay away from guild hall trades, and perhaps even +100k trades in general until ANET does something about this.
but yea, this is a serious problem and hopefully everyone who has read this thread will warn others in your guild who don't visit guru to stay away from guild hall trades, and perhaps even +100k trades in general until ANET does something about this.
fenix
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When the disconnection trading exploit happened last time I remember a few people in a well known PvE guild were testing this exploit with red dye. They got it to dupe and reported it to anet with "hey, we tested. and this is how we did it, i hope this info helps"
Because they were seen to be using the exploit they got hit with a ban that, at the time, was labelled as a perma-ban. After a few days of back-and-forthing with Support and the like they *did* get the ban revoked because they were innocent and just trying to be helpful. So word of caution to anyone out there trying to duplicate this in the name of reporting it -- Be careful. Don't willynilly go trying to mass trade an armbrace you have amongst yourselves as it may look suspicious. |
Not a few, there was 2 of us. Myself and Enko. I was never in a well known PvE guild, and neither was Enko to my knowledge. We did dupe a red dye, and sent the info off to Gaile, but during the big auto-ban we also got hit because we did actually dupe. Gaile had the bans removed within a short timespan because there was 2 pages of people raging on our behalf on guru (<3 you guys).
As for those wanting to test this. Make sure you do a PROPER test, in that you test it with some worthless items, and make sure you write as much detail in as you can. Personally I'm not 100% on how this works, something makes me think it's related to item position in your inventory, surely it's not just people accepting the wrong items...
WinterSnowblind
I don't usually trade in those kind of quantaties, but I feel bad for you guys who've lost so much money because of this. Really hope these scammers get banned.
romeus petrus
Syve
The trader gets the brace, whether or not he actually offers wood planks is a different question. My guess is that he prolly does, and he has a macro to do it so quickly. When you accept the trade, the macro revokes the guest invite and changes the offer instantly to something worthless like idk... wood planks, then you are kicked form his GH with wood instead of ectos and he's left with a free armbrace.
<---Enko is in a very well known guild atm 
The trader gets the brace, whether or not he actually offers wood planks is a different question. My guess is that he prolly does, and he has a macro to do it so quickly. When you accept the trade, the macro revokes the guest invite and changes the offer instantly to something worthless like idk... wood planks, then you are kicked form his GH with wood instead of ectos and he's left with a free armbrace.
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I was never in a well known PvE guild, and neither was Enko to my knowledge.
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Kashrlyyk
Any indication that ANet knows about the bug?
Lady Syve
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Syve
The trader gets the brace, whether or not he actually offers wood planks is a different question. My guess is that he prolly does, and he has a macro to do it so quickly. When you accept the trade, the macro revokes the guest invite and changes the offer instantly to something worthless like idk... wood planks, then you are kicked form his GH with wood instead of ectos and he's left with a free armbrace. |
romeus petrus
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Yes, but even if the scammer has a macro to switch out the offer with wood planks super quick, wouldn't the trade window change and force the other person to re-accept the offer? If the person is then zoned out of the guild hall, the trade would be canceled (unless they hit accept again after the switch occurred). That's what I was thinking anyway.
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Kusandaa
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Originally Posted by romeus petrus
That what it is supposed to do but it is not, just like when ppl were opening trade then losing connection on purpose to dupe items. What is happening now is after u accept the trade the scammer revokes ur guest status, and that freezes the trade window while he quickly changes the offer and accept before u are kicked out of his GH.We'll talk some more tonite on vent, just dont sell ur braces as yet.
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Normal trade if need to change items:
- Person A opens trade;
- Person B puts cash (knowing what they're supposed get), accepts
- Person A puts the other item by mistake;
- Person A realizes the mistake, puts real item;
- Person B needs to re-accept. AFAIK.
- If you're kicked outta the GH the trade SHOULD get canceled right away.
New scam:
- Person B (buyer) puts cash already, accepts
- Person A (seller/scammer) puts the item
- Person A kicks outta GH, switches in the meantime;
- Trade is complete, leaving the buyer without his cash, and the scammer with the item AND the money from the item.
Normally Person B should need to reaccept before the trade is complete. If he does not accept again, the trade should NOT complete. Even if his window his frozen, the program should determine that he has NOT accepted the new terms of the trade, therefore cannot complete it.
So it's either a trade bug while you kick someone from the GH or cheating via 3rd party program.
Anyways that's my understanding of the problem.
Lady Syve
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Originally Posted by romeus petrus
That what it is supposed to do but it is not, just like when ppl were opening trade then losing connection on purpose to dupe items. What is happening now is after u accept the trade the scammer revokes ur guest status, and that freezes the trade window while he quickly changes the offer and accept before u are kicked out of his GH.We'll talk some more tonite on vent, just dont sell ur braces as yet.
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romeus petrus
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So it's either a trade bug while you kick someone from the GH or cheating via 3rd party program.
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Kusandaa
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Originally Posted by romeus petrus
Third party programs were the first thing to come to my mind when I first heard about this. But then I thought the trade window was glitched on dc before during the duping scam, why not now?
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However, I doubt it is since I'm going pretty extreme here. Don't take my word for granted, it's just a theory (and is most probably false). I bet it's some sort of trade bug with guest invites/kicking from GH. In either cases, we need a fix.
romeus petrus
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My first thought was actually some sort of trade bug - the 3rd party program idea was more because the icon appeared to be an armbrace, but traded as wood planks without interruption of the trade. If it's the case... it's not gonna be pretty.
However, I doubt it is since I'm going pretty extreme here. Don't take my word for granted, it's just a theory (and is most probably false). I bet it's some sort of trade bug with guest invites/kicking from GH. In either cases, we need a fix. |
sixacsix
i for one think this is Great! im happy that someone found another trade bug i really highly doubt that it is a "hack" lol this shit is usually much simpler then you think. 90 percent of the bugs in this game are found accidentally so its not hard to believe that some random guy just mistakenly did something really weird and found this out (GUILD HALL ) lol why would you go there to trade any way and why would u make the trade after siting there a while if your stupid anof to fall for these old ass tricks then you deserve to get your shit stolen. ps YA ahhaha good luck geting a gm to give a shit lol and as for the reporting of it it will just be regarded as a scam 72 hour ban (gg) what ever do as you may but i for one want to say grats to whoever found this he is definitely reading this laughing at you all.
maraxusofk
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someone needs to pm that guy and find out what he did.
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wait for the guru community to find out by itself. thats a much more realistic way of solving it
edit: looks like problem has been figured out. nice job yall. lets see how long till the mass ban and patch comes.
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i for one think this is Great! im happy that someone found another trade bug i really highly doubt that it is a "hack" lol this shit is usually much simpler then you think. 90 percent of the bugs in this game are found accidentally so its not hard to believe that some random guy just mistakenly did something really weird and found this out (GUILD HALL ) lol why would you go there to trade any way and why would u make the trade after siting there a while if your stupid anof to fall for these old ass tricks then you deserve to get your shit stolen. ps YA ahhaha good luck geting a gm to give a shit lol and as for the reporting of it it will just be regarded as a scam 72 hour ban (gg) what ever do as you may but i for one want to say grats to whoever found this he is definitely reading this laughing at you all.
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first this is incredibly inarticulate. periods exist in the english language for a reason (yeah im a hypocrite b/c i dont like captilzation.). 2nd, scams only warrant 72hour bans, but abusing glitches can warrant a permaban. the mass duping mess resulted in a ton of bans (although not enuff to fix the giant influx of armbraces which we are still feeling today wit any truly high end trade)
Vic
This sounds kind of like the current Diablo 2 Trade Hack, where you basically just open trade with your other client, show the item, and block the trade buffer from being reset.. Ta-da, victim sees your spoofed item.
That's why I'm thinking this may be similar to this, I never read one thing, was there anyone else in the gh at the same time that you were there?
That's why I'm thinking this may be similar to this, I never read one thing, was there anyone else in the gh at the same time that you were there?
tmakinen
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if your stupid anof to fall for these old ass tricks then you deserve to get your shit stolen
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Bobulation
I just tested this with my other account, and the, "Revoke then change offer" is not working, so I do not think this is how. As soon as I pressed change offer, it would cancel the trade. I can get some Screen shots of me doing it, but i do not think this is how it is done.
Enko
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<---Enko is in a very well known guild atm
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