Epic Trio of Necromancer Hero's?

Quote: Both you and Lotus fundamentally misunderstand. The full cost of discordway is 1 player slot plus 3 hero slots. You don't have any option to turn those heroes into anything other than "Discord plus a half-assed half build" because of the attribute cost and elite slot cost. These requirements preclude you from using them for anything other than more death (basically a half-assed minion bomber without JB, since everything else in death sucks) or a standalone spell-line (basically resto, because nothing else that works with monospec is worth doing). Also, you can't use them for building team synergies around with a good player build -- instead you have to tailor the player build to the hero builds, and turn it into little more than a discord proc-er in the process. The requirements of a hex, a condition, YMLAD, Finish Him, and AP pretty much removes any possibility of doing anything worthwhile with your own build. In sum, since you're spending 1 player slot plus 3 hero slots to make discordway work, the proper comparison is against any other possible use of 1 player slot plus 3 hero slots. And that's not a comparison that favors discordway in most cases.

Originally Posted by Super Igor Discordway is good tbh. 2 healers, one mm...all hav discord. Erm... -Lotus- Jungle Guide Join Date: May 2008 24 Oct 2008 at 02:39 - 29 you can put igor on your ignore list like the rest of us, even quoting him makes no sense. so what does discord have to do with healing? Quote: Originally Posted by Chthon Again, my point isn't that discord is terrible, but rather that you could usually do better for the same resource cost. One kill at a time, even on a pretty fast interval, is still slow. do you even realize that you are completely contradicting yourself? you are only losing 3 elite slots to discord for a huge spike. you still have the rest of those bars and the rest of the team. and guess what, they can deal damage to! BlackSparrow Banned Join Date: Oct 2008 24 Oct 2008 at 04:33 - 30 Quote: Originally Posted by Chthon If you've got a mesmer, run AP-AE-CoP and... anything at all. Doesn't make this better than a well built necro with PvE skills, due to energy limitation of a mesmer and recharge time. Besides, if you are talking about discordway for heroes, you shouldn't be comparing the hero build against CoP because heroes cannot use PvE skills. Even if CoP is more powerful than Discord, that doesn't mean heroes can use it, so nothing is changed. Chthon Grotto Attendant Join Date: Apr 2007 24 Oct 2008 at 05:12 - 31 Quote: Originally Posted by BlackSparrow Besides, if you are talking about discordway for heroes, you shouldn't be comparing the hero build against CoP because heroes cannot use PvE skills.

Conditions and Hex skills are common because they are effective. Even a physical character can carry asuran scan and that skill is still useful whether you are using it with discordway or not. YMLAD, Finish Him, and AP are popular whether you are you using Discord or not. In any case, there is no need to restrict the player build to support discordway because a good discordway build is already self supporting.

Doesn't make this better than a well built necro with PvE skills, due to energy limitation of a mesmer and recharge time. Clearly you don't know what AP-AE-CoP is. You should have read the mesmer forums before you posted. By way of education: AP eliminates the recharge on CoP, and on AE, and on whatever high-yield, high-recharge inspiration skill you want to use as an energy engine. IMO, this build is competitive with Moloch's AP-MoP build for the best offensive build in GW PvE. (A little worse than AP-MoP when foes are willing to stand adjacent, a litle better when they aren't.) BlackSparrow Banned Join Date: Oct 2008 24 Oct 2008 at 07:38 - 32 Quote: Originally Posted by Chthon Also, you can't use them for building team synergies around with a good player build -- instead you have to tailor the player build to the hero builds, and turn it into little more than a discord proc-er in the process. The requirements of a hex, a condition, YMLAD, Finish Him, and AP pretty much removes any possibility of doing anything worthwhile with your own build. In sum, since you're spending 1 player slot plus 3 hero slots to make discordway work, the proper comparison is against any other possible use of 1 player slot plus 3 hero slots. And that's not a comparison that favors discordway in most cases.

Clearly you don't know what AP-AE-CoP is. You should have read the mesmer forums before you posted. By way of education: AP eliminates the recharge on CoP, and on AE, and on whatever high-yield, high-recharge inspiration skill you want to use as an energy engine. Even with inspiration skill included into your AP engine, you still can't beat the energy effectiveness of soul reaping in PvE, especially when coupled with a minion bomber. And AP-AE-CoP has its limitations too, to hex removal and healing. I know this because I use it on my mesmers. -Lotus- Jungle Guide Join Date: May 2008 24 Oct 2008 at 13:13 - 33 Quote: Originally Posted by Chthon The full cost of discordway is 1 player slot plus 3 hero slots. You don't have any option to turn those heroes into anything other than "Discord plus a half-assed half build" because of the attribute cost and elite slot cost. this is is one of those things that actually sepererates the good from the bad. make better builds, be creative, and play smart. those three heroes are far from useless. Chthon Grotto Attendant Join Date: Apr 2007 25 Oct 2008 at 01:01 - 34 Quote: Originally Posted by BlackSparrow Even with inspiration skill included into your AP engine, you still can't beat the energy effectiveness of soul reaping in PvE